Ed Bishop's cut 2001: A Space Odyssey scenes

> http://www.edstraker.com/andelendir/img/vic9.jpg

I don't think I've ever seen "Pets", but that's a
nice domain name you've got (edstraker.com). :-)

Marc

Hi Marc,
 
do feel free to peruse the snapshots on your website. I thought you have the DVD.
 
As to that domain, stay tuned. ;-)
 
And just to remind everyone:
 
Lightcudder finished several stories:
 
Stopping by Woods
http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1293879258
 
That's a story for the Yuletide 2010 challenge, it's a look at the man behind the mask, the Ed Straker who looks at himself at the end of a working day and tries to find himself. A real Christmas story with snow, mistletoe and in the end - warmth.
 
Something to Share
http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1292316714
 
This was written for the SHADO Writers Guild Christmas challenge, a delicious assemply of short scenes on how SHADO staff prepares for their Christmas party, includes Ayshea, Ms. Ealand, Ed Straker and Paul Foster.
 
Happy Christmas to all my Friends.....
http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1292922816
 
That's an utterly delightful sppof Christmas round robin letter from Col. Lake.
 
I also wrote for the Yuletide and the SHADO challenge, however one for both:
 
The Fishmonger's Daughter
http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1293224824
 
This is the account of how Commander Straker, still smarting from his divorce and not the easiest of all bosses, and Ms. Ealand set up their work relationship. It includes mistletoe and a sassy girl and a Ms. Ealand who discovers her new boss is more than just a bitter, driven officer.
 
Have fun reading!
 
And yes - there's more in the offing: Lightcudder and I are working on a joint story regarding the aftermath of A Question of Priority.
 
Cheers
 
An



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The Chinese were always painted in a bad light in these kind of films. Little did we know; it was not through underground laser tunneling apparatus or spacecraft kidnapping would they rule the Western hemisphere but by supplying cheap electronic goods and toys to the world in the decades to come...

--- On Sat, 1/1/11, Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:07 PM







 



 


   
     
     
      I remember this movie. Always on in the mid afternoon; have not seen it for decades! It is good nonsense and passes 90 or so mins. The silliest bit is when the Americans make a prototype version of the Chinese counterpart but after a few goes it breaks down to which someone says "The Laser has burnt out!" ?



--- On Sat, 1/1/11, Rob <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: Rob <[hidden email]>

Subject: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes

To: [hidden email]

Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 11:56 AM



 



That's the one!



What a ridiculous concept for a film!



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061387/combined



Rob



--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:



>



> Is this the movie where Chinese are tunneling under the US with the use of laser beam drillers?  They get to figure out where the Chinese are by making the entire nation go quiet so microphones can pick up the sounds of drilling???



>



> Bruce



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Hi all,
 
a new story has been posted, both on the SHADO Writers Guild Forum and on AO3. It is part of the Yuletide New Year's Resolution 2011 Collection, and one half of a two-story essay Lightcudder and I did over the holidays.
 
SHADO Writers Guild Forum (comments only as a member of the forum):
http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294082353
 
AO3-Link (if you would like to add comments without registering):
http://archiveofourown.org/works/148015
 
Lightcudder's should be in the making of being posted as we speak, ;-). The title of this one here is
 
A Priority of Questions - Ed Straker
 
and it deals with the aftermath of A Question of Priority and how Straker and Freeman managed to stay friends, what passed between them directly after John's death when Freeman learned about what happened - up to the funeral.
 
The - for us - most interesting part in writing these stories was that we held the dialogue live, on a chat client, without either of us knowing what the other would say, and each one of us being just the one character we represented.
 
Have fun reading!
 
Cheers
 
An



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> Have fun reading!  
> Cheers  
> An

Thanks An... boy, you writers are certainly being prolific these days!

Marc

Well mine is now posted;
Alec Freeman's story.
http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294155931

and, as with AnDelendir's if you would like to make a comment without registering then ;

http://archiveofourown.org/works/148073

--- In [hidden email], An Delendir <andelendir@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>  

Bloody Brilliant ! I first saw "A question" when I was about 9 years old and looked like John blond with that style of hair.
 
I still understood at 9 years old what Straker had done. This story answered the 40 year gap what happened afterwards.
 
Well Done
 
Regards
 
 
Paul Williams
UK

--- On Tue, 4/1/11, Lightcudder <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Lightcudder <[hidden email]>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: New Story Semi-New Author
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 4 January, 2011, 16:13


 



Well mine is now posted;
Alec Freeman's story.
http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294155931

and, as with AnDelendir's if you would like to make a comment without registering then ;

http://archiveofourown.org/works/148073

--- In [hidden email], An Delendir <andelendir@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>  









     

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re: You only live twice.

They never really identified the far eastern people who hired spectre to start a war between USSR and USA, did they?

Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Stevan Warburton
  To: [hidden email]
  Cc: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth


   
  The Chinese were always painted in a bad light in these kind of films. Little did we know; it was not through underground laser tunneling apparatus or spacecraft kidnapping would they rule the Western hemisphere but by supplying cheap electronic goods and toys to the world in the decades to come...

  --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]> wrote:

  From: Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]>
  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes
  To: [hidden email]
  Cc: [hidden email]
  Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:07 PM

   

  I remember this movie. Always on in the mid afternoon; have not seen it for decades! It is good nonsense and passes 90 or so mins. The silliest bit is when the Americans make a prototype version of the Chinese counterpart but after a few goes it breaks down to which someone says "The Laser has burnt out!" ?

  --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Rob <[hidden email]> wrote:

  From: Rob <[hidden email]>

  Subject: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes

  To: [hidden email]

  Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 11:56 AM

   

  That's the one!

  What a ridiculous concept for a film!

  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061387/combined

  Rob

  --- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:

  >

  > Is this the movie where Chinese are tunneling under the US with the use of laser beam drillers? They get to figure out where the Chinese are by making the entire nation go quiet so microphones can pick up the sounds of drilling???

  >

  > Bruce

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Thank you Paul. AnDelenDir and I thought the epsiode needed a follow-up so we are pleased that our joint effort was appreciated!

--- In [hidden email], Paul Williams <paulwillhappy@...> wrote:

The actor, who as I recall was Barnaby (someone) was older than me, although I looked like him in just a few later years; alas all that blond hair has gone... I tried later in my mis-guided youth to emulate Ed's hair colour but not to the same degree. Strange how we try to emulate our heroes, fiction or real...

--- On Wed, 1/5/11, Paul Williams <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Paul Williams <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: New Story Semi-New Author
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 10:10 PM







 



 


   
     
     
      Bloody Brilliant ! I first saw "A question" when I was about 9 years old and looked like John blond with that style of hair.

 

I still understood at 9 years old what Straker had done. This story answered the 40 year gap what happened afterwards.

 

Well Done

 

Regards

 

 

Paul Williams

UK



--- On Tue, 4/1/11, Lightcudder <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: Lightcudder <[hidden email]>

Subject: [SHADO] Re: New Story Semi-New Author

To: [hidden email]

Date: Tuesday, 4 January, 2011, 16:13



 



Well mine is now posted;

Alec Freeman's story.

http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294155931



and, as with AnDelendir's if you would like to make a comment without registering then ;



http://archiveofourown.org/works/148073



--- In [hidden email], An Delendir <andelendir@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>  



> a new story has been posted, both on the SHADO Writers Guild Forum and on AO3. It is part of the Yuletide New Year's Resolution 2011 Collection, and one half of a two-story essay Lightcudder and I did over the holidays.

>  

> SHADO Writers Guild Forum (comments only as a member of the forum):

> http://www.shadolibrary.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294082353

>  

> AO3-Link (if you would like to add comments without registering):

> http://archiveofourown.org/works/148015

>  

> Lightcudder's should be in the making of being posted as we speak, ;-). The title of this one here is

>  

> A Priority of Questions - Ed Straker

>  

> and it deals with the aftermath of A Question of Priority and how Straker and Freeman managed to stay friends, what passed between them directly after John's death when Freeman learned about what happened - up to the funeral.

>  

> The - for us - most interesting part in writing these stories was that we held the dialogue live, on a chat client, without either of us knowing what the other would say, and each one of us being just the one character we represented.

>  

> Have fun reading!

>  

> Cheers

>  

> An

>

>

>

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You Only Live Twice scenes,

No they didn't; The Chinese (poor souls were painted as generic bad guys all the way through the great espionage / fantasy series of the 60's. The Champions pilot episode is a perfect example.



--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 12:24 AM







 



 


   
     
     
      re: You only live twice.



They never really identified the far eastern people who hired spectre to start a war between USSR and USA, did they?



Bruce

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Stevan Warburton

  To: [hidden email]

  Cc: [hidden email]

  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:40 AM

  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth



The Chinese were always painted in a bad light in these kind of films. Little did we know; it was not through underground laser tunneling apparatus or spacecraft kidnapping would they rule the Western hemisphere but by supplying cheap electronic goods and toys to the world in the decades to come...



--- On Sat, 1/1/11, Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]>

  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes

  To: [hidden email]

  Cc: [hidden email]

  Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:07 PM



I remember this movie. Always on in the mid afternoon; have not seen it for decades! It is good nonsense and passes 90 or so mins. The silliest bit is when the Americans make a prototype version of the Chinese counterpart but after a few goes it breaks down to which someone says "The Laser has burnt out!" ?



--- On Sat, 1/1/11, Rob <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: Rob <[hidden email]>



Subject: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes



To: [hidden email]



Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 11:56 AM



That's the one!



What a ridiculous concept for a film!



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061387/combined



Rob



--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:



>



> Is this the movie where Chinese are tunneling under the US with the use of laser beam drillers? They get to figure out where the Chinese are by making the entire nation go quiet so microphones can pick up the sounds of drilling???



>



> Bruce



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Stevan Warburton wrote:
The Chinese (poor souls were painted as generic bad guys all the way through the great espionage / fantasy series of the 60's. The Champions pilot episode is a perfect example.

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At the height of the Cold War obviously the Soviet Bloc provided the bulk of foreign villains but, to be fair, China was reasonably perceived to be the second most likely threat to the West at the time.

Let's face it, if the bulk of film and TV villains at the time had come from Canada or Belgium it would have seemed pretty ludicrous.

Regards
John

Agreed! It was either them or some distant non- nuclear  Eastern European communist  state vying for a power share or supremicy; same old story.

--- On Fri, 1/7/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

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To: [hidden email]
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      Stevan Warburton wrote:

The Chinese (poor souls were painted as generic bad guys all the way through the great espionage / fantasy series of the 60's. The Champions pilot episode is a perfect example.



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At the height of the Cold War obviously the Soviet Bloc provided the bulk of foreign villains but, to be fair, China was reasonably perceived to be the second most likely threat to the West at the time.



Let's face it, if the bulk of film and TV villains at the time had come from Canada or Belgium it would have seemed pretty ludicrous.



Regards

John





   
     

   
   


 



 






     

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Could they have not been North Koreans or North Vietnamese, or even Japanese? :)

Bruce
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  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 8:58 AM
  Subject: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth


   
  Stevan Warburton wrote:
  The Chinese (poor souls were painted as generic bad guys all the way through the great espionage / fantasy series of the 60's. The Champions pilot episode is a perfect example.

  --------------------------

  At the height of the Cold War obviously the Soviet Bloc provided the bulk of foreign villains but, to be fair, China was reasonably perceived to be the second most likely threat to the West at the time.

  Let's face it, if the bulk of film and TV villains at the time had come from Canada or Belgium it would have seemed pretty ludicrous.

  Regards
  John



 


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That is very true; my point being is the general viewing public may perceive them as a generic collective eastern looking bad guy with no fixed ethnicity.
Just "looking" Chinese was enough to be cast as the oppressive / communist bent on world domination back then.

--- On Sat, 1/8/11, Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 2:21 AM







 



 


   
     
     
      Could they have not been North Koreans or North Vietnamese, or even Japanese? :)



Bruce

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: [hidden email]

  To: [hidden email]

  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 8:58 AM

  Subject: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth



Stevan Warburton wrote:

  The Chinese (poor souls were painted as generic bad guys all the way through the great espionage / fantasy series of the 60's. The Champions pilot episode is a perfect example.



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At the height of the Cold War obviously the Soviet Bloc provided the bulk of foreign villains but, to be fair, China was reasonably perceived to be the second most likely threat to the West at the time.



Let's face it, if the bulk of film and TV villains at the time had come from Canada or Belgium it would have seemed pretty ludicrous.



Regards

  John



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"Bruce Sherman" wrote:

Could they have not been North Koreans or North Vietnamese, or even Japanese? :)

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Japan has not been considered a military threat since the end of the war. North Korea was very isolated after the end of the Korean War and not considered a threat to the outside world until relatively recently. The North Vietnamese were also little threat to countries outside their immediate vicinity but the Vietnam War was then an actual, as opposed to cold, war with large numbers of people dying.

Such conflicts are rarely the subject of film and TV shows while they are happening, not least because of the possibility of becoming dated very quickly. In the case of Vietnam the conflict was extremely controversial not only within the US but especially elsewhere. A fantasy/adventure production aimed at a general worldwide audience usually doesn't want to have to deal with such controversial subjects as, whatever stance it takes, it is likely to alienate much of the audience. Worse, it may put off the local distributors and broadcasters even buying it in the first place.

In all the ITC series the main generic (terrestrial) threats to "The West" are Warsaw Pact or Chinese - which accords with mainstream thinking of the time. Where there are other governments (as opposed to individuals) which are portrayed as "baddies" they are usually unnamed countries, often African, Middle Eastern or South American and their threat is local or at least a minor threat to, say, "Western Interests".
Significantly, those episodes usually need more backstory or personal involvement by the protagonists to convince the audience that our heroes are on the "right" side. This is less necessary when the Soviet Union and its allies or China is the antagonist.

Regards
John

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Oh Please God no!

--- On Sat, 1/8/11, Hemmings, Rob K. <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Hemmings, Rob K. <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 2:45 PM







 



 


   
     
     
      It's interesting how 'Hollywood baddies' have become Europeans

since those times.  Half of them seem to be Alan Rickman teething

a dodgy Eastern European accent! :o)  

I wonder if they will begin to become 'Far Eastern' again, now there

are more perceived threats and a rising world power originating

from China and it's surrounds?  I suspect not, as it seems there is less

xenophobia around in Hollywood these days, thankfully.

If the UFO film ever sees the light of day, let's hope the aliens are still

mute, or we might be seeing a green-tinted Mr. Rickman..  He would

make a *superb* Dr. Jackson though!  

--

Rob



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Sent: 08 January 2011 13:32

To: [hidden email]

Subject: [SHADO] Re: Ed Bishop scenes Battle Beneath the Earth



"Bruce Sherman" wrote:



Could they have not been North Koreans or North Vietnamese, or even Japanese? :)



----------------------------------------------



Japan has not been considered a military threat since the end of the war. North Korea was very isolated after the end of the Korean War and not considered a threat to the outside world until relatively recently. The North Vietnamese were also little threat to countries outside their immediate vicinity but the Vietnam War was then an actual, as opposed to cold, war with large numbers of people dying.



Such conflicts are rarely the subject of film and TV shows while they are happening, not least because of the possibility of becoming dated very quickly. In the case of Vietnam the conflict was extremely controversial not only within the US but especially elsewhere. A fantasy/adventure production aimed at a general worldwide audience usually doesn't want to have to deal with such controversial subjects as, whatever stance it takes, it is likely to alienate much of the audience. Worse, it may put off the local distributors and broadcasters even buying it in the first place.



In all the ITC series the main generic (terrestrial) threats to "The West" are Warsaw Pact or Chinese - which accords with mainstream thinking of the time. Where there are other governments (as opposed to individuals) which are portrayed as "baddies" they are usually unnamed countries, often African, Middle Eastern or South American and their threat is local or at least a minor threat to, say, "Western Interests".

Significantly, those episodes usually need more backstory or personal involvement by the protagonists to convince the audience that our heroes are on the "right" side. This is less necessary when the Soviet Union and its allies or China is the antagonist.



Regards

John



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