Grand Theft Theme

Smacks to much of plagiarism to me.

[hidden email] wrote:
>
> Cartoon Network using the UFO theme without doing so is just as
> much theft as people copying video without paying royalties which
> you seem to get so bothered about James. So why doesn't this bother
> you?


When I first commented on this subject today I was under the
impression from your post that they were using the actual UFO theme.
Copyright theft is a pet hate of mine as you rightly point out, but
TV companies do pay royalties and obtain permission to use copyright
material, so this wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest.

However it seems that they are using a different piece of music, one
which plagiarises the UFO theme (assuming, as Marc suggests, that
Barry Gray isn't in fact given a credit). I've just listened to it,
and it clearly owes a great deal to the UFO theme. Copyright theft
and plagiarism are two different things, but I disapprove of both,
personally. Having said that - it's really the person who recorded
this new piece, who has represented someone else's work as his/her
own, who deserves to take the stick, not the Cartoon Network. It's
perhaps asking a little too much (in my opinion) to expect a TV
company to take a position on this, if they are even aware of it.

--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote:
> SumitonJD@a... wrote:
it's really the person who recorded
> this new piece, who has represented someone else's work as his/her
> own, who deserves to take the stick, not the Cartoon Network.

You are so right, James! It would be a good idea to find out what
plagiarist is passing Barry Gray music off as his own, especially
since Barry doesn't seem to be the only person he's stealing music
from, if Queen's Flash Gordon was used in the 1st season. Who is the
idiot?
Yours,
Denise

> You are so right, James! It would be a good idea to find out what
> plagiarist is passing Barry Gray music off as his own, especially
> since Barry doesn't seem to be the only person he's stealing music
> from, if Queen's Flash Gordon was used in the 1st season. Who is the
> idiot?

The "composer" for both seasons of Big O is someone named Toshihiko
Sahashi.

Marc

Well, I did sent the Cartoon Network a pointed email last night after I
figured out how to on their site.(you have to go to the Help section to find it.).
I explained that the music was Barry Gray's and that he was not credited for
it. I expect they will have to run it by the legal department before they
comment and this being the weekend that isn't likely to happen before next week.

James K.


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> Well, I did sent the Cartoon Network a pointed email last night

Seems like you might get a better response if you email the
copyright holders to the UFO theme, at Carlton Media International:

http://www.carltonint.co.uk/

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> The "composer" for both seasons of Big O is someone named Toshihiko
> Sahashi.

Thank you, Marc. It's always nice to know the names of those artists
you want to avoid. I appreciate you finding it out for me.
Yours,
Denise

Don't you think it would be nice to find out the story behind all this before
we lynch this guy? Or should we just kill him and ask questions later?

Me thinks we're taking this a BIT too seriously.....but that could just be me.

Anthony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Felt" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:49 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Grand Theft Theme


> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > The "composer" for both seasons of Big O is someone named Toshihiko
> > Sahashi.
>
> Thank you, Marc. It's always nice to know the names of those artists
> you want to avoid. I appreciate you finding it out for me.
> Yours,
> Denise

----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Felt" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:49 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Grand Theft Theme


> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > The "composer" for both seasons of Big O is someone named Toshihiko
> > Sahashi.
>
> Thank you, Marc. It's always nice to know the names of those artists
> you want to avoid. I appreciate you finding it out for me.
> Yours,
> Denise
>

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I'm with Anthony on this... Maybe you should know the story on this
before you vilify the guy. More than likely, he got permission and payed a
royalty. Even if he didn't, I just listened to the clip and it seems
different enough that it might not be out and out copyright infringment.
I've heard plenty of songs used in commercials and movies and stuff,
that are of similar type caricatures of other well known songs, similar
enough to get the hint across as to what the user intended, but without
actually infringing on the copyright of the origional creator.

Dave H.

You know, I watched two eps of BIG O on Cartoon
Network/Adult Swim...never heard the UFO theme sample
on the intro or outro. Did they change it for the
English dubbed version?

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The use of the UFO theme as the theme to Big O started just last week so it
is something new. Check it out tonight, that is if they haven't changed it
after my message to them over the weekend with is highly unlikely.

James K.


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