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From: zerg harry
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Your top five favourite episodes?


Nice to see some love for "E.S.P" and "The Responsibility Seat" around here!

I may not have them as top fivers, but I've always felt Responsibility Seat is a hugely entertaining episode (and proof that the characters on screen don't have to be laughing or over-acting for a scene to be funny...especially when Freeman and Ford have that great scene together. Freeman: "What do you think?" Ford: "It's a tough decision." Freeman: "Thanks!").



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...or one of my favorite scenes of Ford covering for Freeman;

"....Even a practice launch requires an authorization...."


Dave H.



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here's my list:
 
A QUESTION OF PRIORITIES
COURT MARTIAL
EXPOSED
SURVIVAL
SUB-SMASH
 
 
 
The one episode that has me questionable is DESTRUCTION.
If the aliens succeed in killing all life on earth, what would they use
to replace their human part replacements? Seems like a long stretch
coming to earth for just body parts and killing off the grocery store.
 
Steve Christensen
 
 




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I always figured that with the developments shown in "The Cat with Ten
Lives" ... the aliens may not be a physical manifestations at all, and
merely use 'bodies' as a kind of transport vessel. Maybe the rational
was, if they (aliens) couldn't use our bodies, then we can't either.
On the other hand, maybe once the human race were wiped out, the
aliens could move in and harvest all the organs they wanted. Maybe
that's the connection to 'Reflections in the water' with the massing
of all the UFO's. Maybe their technologies were advanced enough to
restore function to tissue even whilst the host was technically dead.
Sounds really horrible... but then, as Straker surmised, 'the greatest
force in the universe - Survival' - it drives people, maybe even
aliens to terrble extremes!!

Okay, stretches of the imagination, but hey, that's what UFO is all
about...

Recently saw that film on Sky about those people that survived an
Andes air crash by eating flesh from some of the victims. Truly awful,
but true... The survivors 'survival' instinct drove them to face that
terrible prospect, and still do it.

None of these are really nice ideas, but this is on the dark side of UFO.

Best to all

Griff

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> The one episode that has me questionable is DESTRUCTION.
> If the aliens succeed in killing all life on earth, what would they use
> to replace their human part replacements? Seems like a long stretch
> coming to earth for just body parts and killing off the grocery store.
>  
> Steve Christensen

I agree with this. The Pinewood eps are Dave Tomblin's version of UFO and he establishes the aliens as non-physical beings who use bodies as tools and they cleary are happy to use WMDs to destroy Earth civilisation. Assuming the end would be relatively slow if the gas escaped, they'd have ample time to snatch a bunch of hapless victims. At the same time, Man Who Came Back and Long Sleep suggest the aliens can use dead or inert bodies as their "living computers" or "guided missiles" too.

Chris Bentley's UFO book says that Anderson and Barwick asked Tomblin to bring the surrealism of The Prisoner to UFO and that Tomblin then asked his partner Terrence Feely to join the team as well. Tony Barwick's scripts for Psychobombs and Mindbender in which he uses three characters being affected by the aliens, first being tuned to the primitive power of the Universe and the second trio being affected by hallucinations, are clearly following Tomblin and Feely's lead.

Non-physical intelligences might well want to see us wiped out...perhaps they see us as a plague like mice infesting a perfectly good planet they want to own. But I'd say, based on the whole of UFO, the most likey answer is the aliens hope WMDs like the nerve gas in Destruction or the bomb in Long Sleep would not destroy everyone, leaving enough survivors for their uses.

After all, would they really be confident of releasing all the nerve gas on the ship by attacking it, or only some?

As for "Ordeal", I think the episode is fun...and Foster's bad dream does offer an insight into how he views Straker as well as his fears about the aliens. He obviously believes that Straker would cheerfully press the button on him if it came to the crunch. So, for me, it works as character development for Foster.

However, I do find myself pressing the stop button at the end when he starts to sing!
Z.



Griff Wason <[hidden email]> wrote:
I always figured that with the developments shown in "The Cat with Ten
Lives" ... the aliens may not be a physical manifestations at all, and
merely use 'bodies' as a kind of transport vessel. Maybe the rational
was, if they (aliens) couldn't use our bodies, then we can't either.
On the other hand, maybe once the human race were wiped out, the
aliens could move in and harvest all the organs they wanted. Maybe
that's the connection to 'Reflections in the water' with the massing
of all the UFO's. Maybe their technologies were advanced enough to
restore function to tissue even whilst the host was technically dead.
Sounds really horrible... but then, as Straker surmised, 'the greatest
force in the universe - Survival' - it drives people, maybe even
aliens to terrble extremes!!

Okay, stretches of the imagination, but hey, that's what UFO is all
about...

Recently saw that film on Sky about those people that survived an
Andes air crash by eating flesh from some of the victims. Truly awful,
but true... The survivors 'survival' instinct drove them to face that
terrible prospect, and still do it.

None of these are really nice ideas, but this is on the dark side of UFO.

Best to all

Griff

---------
> The one episode that has me questionable is DESTRUCTION.
> If the aliens succeed in killing all life on earth, what would they use
> to replace their human part replacements? Seems like a long stretch
> coming to earth for just body parts and killing off the grocery store.
>
> Steve Christensen






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PS, I just realised that I wrote that I press the stop button on Foster when he starts to sing. I can hear Foster replying 'you better hope I'm never in a position to press the button on you!'
:)
Z.
zerg harry <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree with this. The Pinewood eps are Dave Tomblin's version of UFO and he establishes the aliens as non-physical beings who use bodies as tools and they cleary are happy to use WMDs to destroy Earth civilisation. Assuming the end would be relatively slow if the gas escaped, they'd have ample time to snatch a bunch of hapless victims. At the same time, Man Who Came Back and Long Sleep suggest the aliens can use dead or inert bodies as their "living computers" or "guided missiles" too.

Chris Bentley's UFO book says that Anderson and Barwick asked Tomblin to bring the surrealism of The Prisoner to UFO and that Tomblin then asked his partner Terrence Feely to join the team as well. Tony Barwick's scripts for Psychobombs and Mindbender in which he uses three characters being affected by the aliens, first being tuned to the primitive power of the Universe and the second trio being affected by hallucinations, are clearly following Tomblin and Feely's lead.

Non-physical intelligences might well want to see us wiped out...perhaps they see us as a plague like mice infesting a perfectly good planet they want to own. But I'd say, based on the whole of UFO, the most likey answer is the aliens hope WMDs like the nerve gas in Destruction or the bomb in Long Sleep would not destroy everyone, leaving enough survivors for their uses.

After all, would they really be confident of releasing all the nerve gas on the ship by attacking it, or only some?

As for "Ordeal", I think the episode is fun...and Foster's bad dream does offer an insight into how he views Straker as well as his fears about the aliens. He obviously believes that Straker would cheerfully press the button on him if it came to the crunch. So, for me, it works as character development for Foster.

However, I do find myself pressing the stop button at the end when he starts to sing!
Z.



Griff Wason <[hidden email]> wrote:
I always figured that with the developments shown in "The Cat with Ten
Lives" ... the aliens may not be a physical manifestations at all, and
merely use 'bodies' as a kind of transport vessel. Maybe the rational
was, if they (aliens) couldn't use our bodies, then we can't either.
On the other hand, maybe once the human race were wiped out, the
aliens could move in and harvest all the organs they wanted. Maybe
that's the connection to 'Reflections in the water' with the massing
of all the UFO's. Maybe their technologies were advanced enough to
restore function to tissue even whilst the host was technically dead.
Sounds really horrible... but then, as Straker surmised, 'the greatest
force in the universe - Survival' - it drives people, maybe even
aliens to terrble extremes!!

Okay, stretches of the imagination, but hey, that's what UFO is all
about...

Recently saw that film on Sky about those people that survived an
Andes air crash by eating flesh from some of the victims. Truly awful,
but true... The survivors 'survival' instinct drove them to face that
terrible prospect, and still do it.

None of these are really nice ideas, but this is on the dark side of UFO.

Best to all

Griff

---------
> The one episode that has me questionable is DESTRUCTION.
> If the aliens succeed in killing all life on earth, what would they use
> to replace their human part replacements? Seems like a long stretch
> coming to earth for just body parts and killing off the grocery store.
>
> Steve Christensen

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If the aliens are non-physical beings, it begs the question; "who are
the physical embodiments shown in the red space suits"? What species?
Was Straker's quest in "Close up" flawed, in that he was chasing the
wrong species or set of aliens?

Were the physical aliens (red suits) just another race entirely that
the non-physical aliens came across, over-powered and then inhabited?

Do their bodies (red suits) match the non-physical aliens better than
our own? Otherwise, why not just inhabit human bodies, rather than
just use humans to patch up their own?

Is it easier for the non-physicals to possess animals rather than
humans? Cat with ten lives? ...and does that explain why Croxley
(E.S.P.) and James Regan (TCWTL) were finally able to regain control -
i.e. their conciousness and willpower was greater than the
non-physical aliens?

Were the Phychobombs a new breed, or were the people involved (hosts)
weaker-willed, had less self-control than normal?

Is it possible that the physical alien in, "A question of priorities"
had somehow evaded takeover by the non-physical aliens, and was trying
to co-operate with SHADO to attemp to help his own species?

Mmm... this raises a whole new concept...

Best to all :)

Griff

--- In [hidden email], zerg harry <zergharry@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with this. The Pinewood eps are Dave Tomblin's version of
UFO and he establishes the aliens as non-physical beings who use
bodies as tools and they cleary are happy to use WMDs to destroy Earth
civilisation. Assuming the end would be relatively slow if the gas
escaped, they'd have ample time to snatch a bunch of hapless victims.
At the same time, Man Who Came Back and Long Sleep suggest the aliens
can use dead or inert bodies as their "living computers" or "guided
missiles" too.
>    
> Chris Bentley's UFO book says that Anderson and Barwick asked
Tomblin to bring the surrealism of The Prisoner to UFO and that
Tomblin then asked his partner Terrence Feely to join the team as
well. Tony Barwick's scripts for Psychobombs and Mindbender in which
he uses three characters being affected by the aliens, first being
tuned to the primitive power of the Universe and the second trio being
affected by hallucinations, are clearly following Tomblin and Feely's
lead.
>    
> Non-physical intelligences might well want to see us wiped
out...perhaps they see us as a plague like mice infesting a perfectly
good planet they want to own. But I'd say, based on the whole of UFO,
the most likey answer is the aliens hope WMDs like the nerve gas in
Destruction or the bomb in Long Sleep would not destroy everyone,
leaving enough survivors for their uses.
>    
> After all, would they really be confident of releasing all the
nerve gas on the ship by attacking it, or only some?
>    
> As for "Ordeal", I think the episode is fun...and Foster's bad
dream does offer an insight into how he views Straker as well as his
fears about the aliens. He obviously believes that Straker would
cheerfully press the button on him if it came to the crunch. So, for
me, it works as character development for Foster.
>    
> However, I do find myself pressing the stop button at the end when
he starts to sing!
> Z.
>    
>  
>
> Griff Wason <griff@...> wrote:
> I always figured that with the developments shown in "The
Cat with Ten UFO.
>
> Best to all
>
> Griff
>
> ---------
> > The one episode that has me questionable is DESTRUCTION.
> > If the aliens succeed in killing all life on earth, what would
they use storage. Get it now.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I suspect the red-suited ones were aliens (non-physical intelligences) in the bodies of previous abductees from Earth, with their lives extended by organ replacement. Hence snatching Russ Stone for example. The duplicates in Reflections in the Water would be human bodies altered by advanced plastic surgery to look like our heroes, and controlled by the non-physical ones.

As far back as Kill Straker, when Freeman says "Foster was brainwashed by who or whatever was in that UFO" it's been implied that the aliens were something way more mysterious than humanoids.

I guess maybe they could take over other hapless life forms in range of their technology as well as us.

If they're non physical, then Earth is really being invaded by...ghosts? Something almost super-natural...scary, eh?

Z.



Griff Wason <[hidden email]> wrote:
If the aliens are non-physical beings, it begs the question; "who are
the physical embodiments shown in the red space suits"? What species?
Was Straker's quest in "Close up" flawed, in that he was chasing the
wrong species or set of aliens?

Were the physical aliens (red suits) just another race entirely that
the non-physical aliens came across, over-powered and then inhabited?

Do their bodies (red suits) match the non-physical aliens better than
our own? Otherwise, why not just inhabit human bodies, rather than
just use humans to patch up their own?

Is it easier for the non-physicals to possess animals rather than
humans? Cat with ten lives? ...and does that explain why Croxley
(E.S.P.) and James Regan (TCWTL) were finally able to regain control -
i.e. their conciousness and willpower was greater than the
non-physical aliens?

Were the Phychobombs a new breed, or were the people involved (hosts)
weaker-willed, had less self-control than normal?

Is it possible that the physical alien in, "A question of priorities"
had somehow evaded takeover by the non-physical aliens, and was trying
to co-operate with SHADO to attemp to help his own species?

Mmm... this raises a whole new concept...

Best to all :)

Griff

--- In [hidden email], zerg harry <zergharry@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with this. The Pinewood eps are Dave Tomblin's version of
UFO and he establishes the aliens as non-physical beings who use
bodies as tools and they cleary are happy to use WMDs to destroy Earth
civilisation. Assuming the end would be relatively slow if the gas
escaped, they'd have ample time to snatch a bunch of hapless victims.
At the same time, Man Who Came Back and Long Sleep suggest the aliens
can use dead or inert bodies as their "living computers" or "guided
missiles" too.
>
> Chris Bentley's UFO book says that Anderson and Barwick asked
Tomblin to bring the surrealism of The Prisoner to UFO and that
Tomblin then asked his partner Terrence Feely to join the team as
well. Tony Barwick's scripts for Psychobombs and Mindbender in which
he uses three characters being affected by the aliens, first being
tuned to the primitive power of the Universe and the second trio being
affected by hallucinations, are clearly following Tomblin and Feely's
lead.
>
> Non-physical intelligences might well want to see us wiped
out...perhaps they see us as a plague like mice infesting a perfectly
good planet they want to own. But I'd say, based on the whole of UFO,
the most likey answer is the aliens hope WMDs like the nerve gas in
Destruction or the bomb in Long Sleep would not destroy everyone,
leaving enough survivors for their uses.
>
> After all, would they really be confident of releasing all the
nerve gas on the ship by attacking it, or only some?
>
> As for "Ordeal", I think the episode is fun...and Foster's bad
dream does offer an insight into how he views Straker as well as his
fears about the aliens. He obviously believes that Straker would
cheerfully press the button on him if it came to the crunch. So, for
me, it works as character development for Foster.
>
> However, I do find myself pressing the stop button at the end when
he starts to sing!
> Z.
>
>
>
> Griff Wason <griff@...> wrote:
> I always figured that with the developments shown in "The
Cat with Ten UFO.
>
> Best to all
>
> Griff
>
> ---------
> > The one episode that has me questionable is DESTRUCTION.
> > If the aliens succeed in killing all life on earth, what would
they use storage. Get it now.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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The visual poll I mentioned earlier is taking shape with 23 votes now
in. It looks pretty much spread to me - a testament to the quality of
the show. :)

http://www.eagletransporter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3592

Mark
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