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Hi all,
I see that ITV4 will be showing THE CAT WITH TEN LIVES as episode #3, so it looks like they are using the order which is known as the "original UK broadcast order for ATV Midlands". This order is shown in my UFO FAQ question #16: http://ufoseries.com/faq.html#16 That wouldn't be my #1 choice for an episode order... or #2, or #3... :-) Marc |
I realise that I might be accused of spoiling peoples fun here but I think
that the quest for a perfect running order for UFO is probably doomed due to the circumstances of production and the way the makers viewed the question of running order. There is a big difference between those serials which have an overarching plot arc (24, Carnivale) heading towards a conclusion over a number of episodes and, on the other hand, a series in which each episode is intended to be as self contained as possible so that, ideally, the episodes can be shown in almost any order (Most of the ITC series). In the serial with an overall story, the plotting of each episode is very closely monitored and controlled by Production. There will be one or more writers working full-time whose job will be to produce the spine of not only the whole series but also each episode, as a single slip in continuity could bring down the whole house of cards. Each scene is not only vital within the episode but within the series as a whole. Individual episodes may well be written by outside writers but they will be handed a detailed scene-by-scene plot outline for the episode. Their freedom to depart from that outline without permission is zero. Most of the ITC series either had no episodes which really needed to be shown in a particular order (Department S, Man in a Suitcase) or had the minimum necessary to establish the premise of the series (The Champions, Randall and Hopkirk, The Persuaders). The relationship with outside writers on these series was very different to that of the serial because Production wanted the best and, within reason, the most original individual episodes they could get. The producer would work with other collaborators to work up a "bible", a guide to writers which would give a pretty good idea of the main characters, the format and tone of the series and various do's and don'ts. Trusted outside writers were usually asked to pitch script ideas having been given the bible to read. If their ideas were accepted they would write up the episode into a treatment, then a script. Changes would be made after consulting with the script editor and production team, then the episode would join the queue of episodes to be shot. Often the writer would be working before many, or indeed any, other episodes had been shot and possibly without having seen any other scripts. They could very easily write something into a scene which conflicted with another script being written simultaneously by another writer who was equally in the dark. Certainly, it was the job of the script editor to minimise conflicts but minor inconsistencies could easily be overlooked under pressure of time or deliberately ignored in the interests of making the best of each individual episode. After all, it was expected that a viewer would see a given episode perhaps a couple of times, years apart, if that. It is worth remembering that domestic video machines were virtually unheard of and the thought that, over thirty years later, anyone would still be interested, let alone be able to examine episodes frame by frame and communicate information about flaws world-wide in seconds, would never have occurred to anyone involved in the making of these series. Even people involved in making the series might easily have different ideas of an ideal running order as there was probably no definitive agreement at the time. The order of production isn't any real guide to running order as episodes were usually shot far in advance of transmission and shooting order would have more to do with production logistics and which scripts were ready. The screening order may have been largely decided upon after the fact and took into consideration things like not having episodes with too similar a tone, setting or theme too close together or hammocking an episode perceived to be weaker between two stronger ones. UFO, (like The Prisoner - where debates over episode order are even more fraught) was a little different to, for example, The Saint in that, in UFO, the overall situation (SHADO battling the aliens) was much the same each week and the characters are gradually learning more about the foe and their circumstances. However, because the method of commissioning scripts was similar to that of The Saint, that learning curve isn't smooth. There is obviously the first episode and the introduction of Paul but beyond that it all gets a bit vague until we get to the cast changes which mark the later episodes in a way which was never intended and would have been avoided if possible. I suspect that many of the episodes came about through someone - either within the production or an outside writer - saying something like "how about doing one where the UFOs have a base underwater?" That story was then made and subsequently slotted into the episode order where it seemed to, more or less, fit rather than there being a meticulously pre-planned idea of exactly how the series would develop. Sorry if this spoils anyone's enjoyment in trying to find the Holy Grail of a definitive episode order. Regards John |
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Hi all,
John's post pragmatically describes the many difficulties encountered in producing a TV series and UFO could probably be used as an example of how not to do it if you want a series to be successful :-) I noticed that last night's episode of UFO was described by NTL cable as an "adventure series", not even sci-fi :-O Sarah (UK) |
>From: "moonbasegirl" <[hidden email]> UFO could probably be used as an example >of how not to do it if you want a series to be successful :-) For me, UFO is the most successful TV series of all times. If I haven't seen it when I did, I would be completely different person. If it had better ratings, it may have lead to more seasons, but with all changes planned, it may have not been the best thing in the world. I still love UFO the way it is and wouldn't change anything, at all costs : ) All the best, Branko _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ |
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--- In [hidden email], "Branko Vekic" <brave66@h...> wrote:
> For me, UFO is the most successful TV series of all times. I wrote my comment in response to John's realistic, if depressing viewpoint on a TV series as a successful commercial product. >If I haven't seen it when I did, I would be completely different >person. I have read other comments like this from the archives, where being a fan of UFO influenced someone's choice of career, for example. It might be interesting if people would like to elaborate on how UFO may have influenced choices or decisions they made in their lives, in any capacity :-) BTW, Hi Phil :-) Sarah (UK) |
Hi all :)
This is a test, please ignore. Best to all, Griff Ps. ...think I'm having problems with my email... |
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moonbasegirl wrote: > I have read other comments like this from the archives, where being a > fan of UFO influenced someone's choice of career, for example. > > It might be interesting if people would like to elaborate on how UFO > may have influenced choices or decisions they made in their lives, in > any capacity :-) > Hi, in answer to your question, UFO did not influence my choice of profession (although it almost did), however, after seeing Mike and Ed "Scuba dive" I did decide that I wanted to learn. I didn't want to be left on skydiver serving coffee LOL Since my parents were too protective to allow me to do anything that "dangerous" it took many years before I was able to find the time and money to learn but I did become PADI certified in Scuba diving. Lorraine > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
UFO certainly had an effect on my life, I was so impressed with the show and what a cool name Straker was. That I legally changed my name to Ed Straker. Hows that for influence???????????
Straker out (LOL)......................Peace. "We are Starfleet officer's, weird is part of the job"---------------Capt Janeway. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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My career in IT was definitely influenced by UFO.
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Hi all - it's nice to think UFO also influenced people in different ways -
esp in terms of career choices. I just saw a docu on Discovery called "How William Shatner Changed The World" which was based on one of his books called "I'm Working on That". The docu covered alot of the changes or advances in current technology which were first seen or suggested on TOS. I've always felt UFO had some great ideas: the TV connections instead of just phones, etc. Pam the Canuck |
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