MaGoohan on UFO

Well UFO has been criticised for 1 episode's denouement being a dream.
To stretch a dream over 13 episodes,without the benefit of any kind of a
resolution is just cheating the audience.


Yuchtar wrote

 >I seem to recall him saying it was based on a dream he had. Was very
 >dream-like, no?

Dallas, Bobby dying :)

Bruce

From: Mark Davies
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 7:42 PM
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Subject: [SHADO] MaGoohan on UFO

 
Well UFO has been criticised for 1 episode's denouement being a dream.
To stretch a dream over 13 episodes,without the benefit of any kind of a
resolution is just cheating the audience.

Yuchtar wrote

>I seem to recall him saying it was based on a dream he had. Was very
>dream-like, no?




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Well, what to say then to the full year of episodes of Dallas when the whole storyline was just a dream from the wife, because actor Patrick Duffy couldn't get his contract settled upon for a full year....  Now that's really cheating the audience! §:cP

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      Well UFO has been criticised for 1 episode's denouement being a dream.

To stretch a dream over 13 episodes,without the benefit of any kind of a

resolution is just cheating the audience.



Yuchtar wrote



>I seem to recall him saying it was based on a dream he had. Was very

 >dream-like, no?



   
     

   
   






 










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Personally I think it would have been better and made more sense to have it be Bobby's dream while he was in a coma.

Kathy

--- In [hidden email], Michel Beauchamp <pamibeau@...> wrote:

On 6/17/2013 11:48 PM, Michel Beauchamp wrote:
> Well, what to say then to the full year of episodes of Dallas when the whole storyline was just a dream from the wife, because actor Patrick Duffy couldn't get his contract settled upon for a full year....  Now that's really cheating the audience!

That was a lot more to do with the fact that CBS had fired the original
producer/creator of the series and that the year in which Duffy's
character was killed off was done by the replacement brought in by the
network. The creator returned, didn't like the replacement's storylines,
and got rid of all the developments he didn't like in one swell foop.

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As a full-on fan of "The Prisoner," I really have to laugh at the amount
of this thread that is complaining that an entire TV series was
constructed to be completely true to the artistic vision of a single
creator.

I mean, like the result, don't like the result, it's your thang or it
isn't, but it's a much purer work of actual art than most TV we watch,
which is made by committee, with commercial, rather than artistic,
concerns guiding many decisions.

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My own take on the complaints about McGoohan is that we all know UFO was not
the greatest TV series ever filmed and we love it anyway. But McGoohan
seemed to take special delight in dissing anything he was not personally
involved in or in charge of. (But then guest starred in multiple Colombo
episodes. VBG)

 

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Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 7:00 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: MaGoohan on UFO

 

 

As a full-on fan of "The Prisoner," I really have to laugh at the amount
of this thread that is complaining that an entire TV series was
constructed to be completely true to the artistic vision of a single
creator.

I mean, like the result, don't like the result, it's your thang or it
isn't, but it's a much purer work of actual art than most TV we watch,
which is made by committee, with commercial, rather than artistic,
concerns guiding many decisions.

--
Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email] <mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01





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"We all know UFO was not the greatest TV series ever filmed..."

I am shocked and appalled by this comment!   :-)

Regards,

Griff

PS. Excepting the fact that I know someone who knew McGoohan, I have to admit I have only seen one episode of 'The Prisoner', so I have to exclude myself with this thread...

--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> My own take on the complaints about McGoohan is that we all know UFO was not
> the greatest TV series ever filmed and we love it anyway. But McGoohan
> seemed to take special delight in dissing anything he was not personally
> involved in or in charge of. (But then guest starred in multiple Colombo
> episodes. VBG)

The Prisoner is one of a handful of things to originate from tv that is utterly original. Not to recognise that is perverse.


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From: griffwason <[hidden email]>
Date:  
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: MaGoohan on UFO
 
"We all know UFO was not the greatest TV series ever filmed..."

I am shocked and appalled by this comment! :-)

Regards,

Griff

PS. Excepting the fact that I know someone who knew McGoohan, I have to admit I have only seen one episode of 'The Prisoner', so I have to exclude myself with this thread...

--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> My own take on the complaints about McGoohan is that we all know UFO was not
> the greatest TV series ever filmed and we love it anyway. But McGoohan
> seemed to take special delight in dissing anything he was not personally
> involved in or in charge of. (But then guest starred in multiple Colombo
> episodes. VBG)



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Well... let's put it this way. There is a significant cast interplay
between UFO
and The Prisoner, in terms of main actors (as the story goes, Mike
Billington
was spotted by Sylvia Anderson while watching a Prisoner episode),
guest stars, even directors (David Tomblin). This is a good reason to
like The Prisoner,
which in fact fascinated me a lot when I was a child.

However, there is a big difference. When, after 20+ years, I watched UFO
again on VHS, I could remember all of the plots. With The Prisoner,
I could remember an intriguing atmosphere, and nothing more.

Clearly, it is a mater of taste, but what ITC produced in those
years is an incredible treasury.

Cheers
PB




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I loved The Prisoner, it was very watchable and original, apart for the daft last EP, that blew my mind.

 

Paul

 

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Sent: 18 June 2013 16:47
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Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: MaGoohan on UFO

 

 

The Prisoner is one of a handful of things to originate from tv that is utterly original. Not to recognise that is perverse.

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-------- Original message --------
From: griffwason <[hidden email] <mailto:griff%40griffwason.com> >
Date:
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: [SHADO] Re: MaGoohan on UFO

"We all know UFO was not the greatest TV series ever filmed..."

I am shocked and appalled by this comment! :-)

Regards,

Griff

PS. Excepting the fact that I know someone who knew McGoohan, I have to admit I have only seen one episode of 'The Prisoner', so I have to exclude myself with this thread...

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@... <mailto:momkat@...> > wrote:
>
> My own take on the complaints about McGoohan is that we all know UFO was not
> the greatest TV series ever filmed and we love it anyway. But McGoohan
> seemed to take special delight in dissing anything he was not personally
> involved in or in charge of. (But then guest starred in multiple Colombo
> episodes. VBG)

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Slightly off topic.  For those who watch Family Guy, they did a Y2k episode where everything goes wrong.  they used the Dallas dream sequence by having Victoria Principal and Patrick Duffy reprise their roles to help explain the ending.


Bruce

From: Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:56 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] MaGoohan on UFO

 
On 6/17/2013 11:48 PM, Michel Beauchamp wrote:
> Well, what to say then to the full year of episodes of Dallas when the whole storyline was just a dream from the wife, because actor Patrick Duffy couldn't get his contract settled upon for a full year.... Now that's really cheating the audience!

That was a lot more to do with the fact that CBS had fired the original
producer/creator of the series and that the year in which Duffy's
character was killed off was done by the replacement brought in by the
network. The creator returned, didn't like the replacement's storylines,
and got rid of all the developments he didn't like in one swell foop.

--
Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01





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Jonathan Andrew Sheen wrote:

> As a full-on fan of "The Prisoner," I really have to laugh at the amount
> of this thread that is complaining that an entire TV series was
> constructed to be completely true to the artistic vision of a single
> creator.
>
> I mean, like the result, don't like the result, it's your thang or it
> isn't, but it's a much purer work of actual art than most TV we watch,
> which is made by committee, with commercial, rather than artistic,
> concerns guiding many decisions.

I enjoyed the Prisoner. All the freakiness of it. Very unpredictable. :)

But off-topic, so I'll shut up now.

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Deborah Rorabaugh wrote:
 > My own take on the complaints about McGoohan is that we all know UFO
was not
 > the greatest TV series ever filmed and we love it anyway. But McGoohan
 > seemed to take special delight in dissing anything he was not personally
 > involved in or in charge of. (But then guest starred in multiple Colombo
 > episodes. VBG)

Hey, now! Don't dis my man Columbo!!!

Y



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Did't "Family Guy" also do an ep with "The Prisoner", seem to me I remember one, but I could be wrong.

Kathy

--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:
>
> Slightly off topic.  For those who watch Family Guy, they did a Y2k episode where everything goes wrong.  they used the Dallas dream sequence by having Victoria Principal and Patrick Duffy reprise their roles to help explain the ending.
>
>
> Bruce

> I think "The Prisoner" was actually a dream Paul Foster had after one of his many Psychedelic parties!
> SHADO staff often referred to them - "Did you go to Paul's MINDBENDER last night?"
> :o)

Now that is funny! Poor Paul.

I recall seeing a couple of the Prisoner episodes, and the only thing I can truly remember was that bouncing ball, or whatever it was, and this crazy dude repeating the statement "We need information." This is not a critque, I just don't remember enough about the show to judge.

I do remember MaGoohan in the movie "Ice Station Zebra" and his portrayal of "Mr. Jones" was pretty cool.

I didn't know he had dissed UFO. Short sightedness on his part.

With UFO, you either get it, or you don't. There seems to be no middle ground. Those who get it, can enjoy the show despite its flaws. Those that don't, well, maybe they need to look with better eyes. ;)

Matt

haven't ever really watched The Prisoner, not sure of the theme, I cant say for sure, but I do remember a Simpsons where they get gassed and wake up on a mysterious island where they get repeatedly gassed.

Bruce

From: katd_1359
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:34 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: MaGoohan on UFO

 
Did't "Family Guy" also do an ep with "The Prisoner", seem to me I remember one, but I could be wrong.

Kathy

--- In mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:
>
> Slightly off topic. For those who watch Family Guy, they did a Y2k episode where everything goes wrong. they used the Dallas dream sequence by having Victoria Principal and Patrick Duffy reprise their roles to help explain the ending.
>
>
> Bruce





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Oi. (pinching bridge of nose and sighing)

No more TAFKAR? ;^)

Hugs, Y



Hemmings, Rob K. wrote:

> Hi Yuchtar,
>
> I think "The Prisoner" was actually a dream Paul Foster had after one of his many Psychedelic parties!
> SHADO staff often referred to them - "Did you go to Paul's MINDBENDER last night?"
> :o)
>
> Hope you're well,

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