New UFO Movie - Paul Foster's character

Hi All,

I see the following quote from Matthew Gratzner (first-time director who has worked as the visual effects supervisor on films like Iron Man, Shutter Island, and The Fountain - and Director of the new UFO movie).

"Character development is the most critical part of `UFO,' and Joshua's (Joshua Jackson, the actor who has been chosen to portray Paul Foster) terrific talent and range is exactly what I need to convey the inner conflict of the character of Paul Foster."

Mmm... Paul Foster... Inner Conflict??? What inner conflict? He was a world-class test pilot who's plane was destroyed under extraordinary circumstances, his friend and co-pilot killed, and then effectively told to keep quietand not rock the boat. He was not the kind of person to keep quiet. His life was about action, and getting answers.

World-class test-pilots (and I have met many) are never normally the "innerconflict" types...

I think I see where THIS is going, and in a couple hour movie, I think we can surmise the kind of plot that would accommodate this statement.

We'll see...

Griff

Agreed, Griff.  Very well put.  "Inner conflict" describes Ed Straker far better than Paul Foster.  And I still think they should have kept S.H.A.D.O. in the UK.  I can see this movie turning into a total piece of crap.  Like the Lost in Space movie.
 
Jeff

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Hi All,

I see the following quote from Matthew Gratzner (first-time director who has worked as the visual effects supervisor on films like Iron Man, Shutter Island, and The Fountain - and Director of the new UFO movie).

"Character development is the most critical part of `UFO,' and Joshua's (Joshua Jackson, the actor who has been chosen to portray Paul Foster) terrific talent and range is exactly what I need to convey the inner conflict of the character of Paul Foster."

Mmm... Paul Foster... Inner Conflict??? What inner conflict? He was a world-class test pilot who's plane was destroyed under extraordinary circumstances, his friend and co-pilot killed, and then effectively told to keep quietand not rock the boat. He was not the kind of person to keep quiet. His life was about action, and getting answers.

World-class test-pilots (and I have met many) are never normally the "innerconflict" types...

I think I see where THIS is going, and in a couple hour movie, I think we can surmise the kind of plot that would accommodate this statement.

We'll see...

Griff








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>Agreed, Griff. Very well put. "Inner conflict" describes Ed Straker far
>better than Paul Foster. And I still think they should have kept S.H.A.D.O.
>in the UK. I can see this >movie turning into a total piece of crap. Like
>the Lost in Space movie.


To be honest, I thought Griff was thinking of an entirely different source
of 'inner conflict' to that which exists in Ed Straker! Isn't it on display
in some areas of fan fiction?!

I still don't think this film will ever get off the ground. They're using
the UFO name - a point of familiarity with people - to get their own film
off the ground. It'll only 'resemble' the UFO that we know.

If the film DOES get off the ground, it would most likely only be good for
reigniting a wider interest in the original series. You have to keep an open
mind of course, but it seems unlikely to me that this will be anything like
the tv series. In a way, how *could* it be?


Simon

Yes. I hate to be cynical, but I can't help myself sighing (in a bad way) at the thought of this movie...

Kind of ironic that they're making this movie in the UK (partly in the samestudio that SHADO's based. Maybe Ed Straker the 'movie mogul' made the best bid...

Mmmm... I kind of like THAT irony. That's funny :)

Griff

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Simon, you could be right about the inner conflict issue Griff was referencing.  Only he knows for sure.  My point about Ed Straker was onlyone possibility, and I didn't mean that Griff was necessarily speaking of him.  Just that when "inner conflict" was mentioned, Ed Straker was the first to come to MY mind.  : )
 
Jeff

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>Agreed, Griff. Very well put. "Inner conflict" describes Ed Straker far
>better than Paul Foster. And I still think they should have kept S.H.A.D.O.
>in the UK. I can see this >movie turning into a total piece of crap. Like
>the Lost in Space movie.

To be honest, I thought Griff was thinking of an entirely different source
of 'inner conflict' to that which exists in Ed Straker! Isn't it on display
in some areas of fan fiction?!

I still don't think this film will ever get off the ground. They're using
the UFO name - a point of familiarity with people - to get their own film
off the ground. It'll only 'resemble' the UFO that we know.

If the film DOES get off the ground, it would most likely only be good for
reigniting a wider interest in the original series. You have to keep an open
mind of course, but it seems unlikely to me that this will be anything like
the tv series. In a way, how *could* it be?

Simon








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Hi Simon,

To be honest (and to my shame) I haven't read that much UFO fan fiction (sosorry UFO fan fiction writers - I will when I can though), so I do not really know what you are eluding to in your post

However, I would agree; Ed Straker is certainly dedicated, and at some terrible personal cost. He certainly does has inner conflict in many areas: thedeath of his son, his marriage, that do haunt him as in Sub-Smash, and Mindbender.

Paul Foster (in my opinion) is not the type to have too many inner conflicts, and psychologically is the type of person who 'lives the moment', is impulsive, slightly immature in some ways, quick-reacting, energetic... not really the type (at his time of life) to dwell on things too much. Maybe those traits come with age and experience.

My main point is that the director of this new film (from his quote) intends to have Paul Foster and his new found "inner conflict/s" as a key elementin the plot of the film.

I do find this disturbing as it takes the Fosters character into an unfamiliar characterization and in my opinion is a mis-reading and misunderstanding of the Foster's character. If I am right, this is shame, and will certainly annoy a lot of UFO fans - especially Michael Billington/Paul Foster fans... Using an established character at an oblique angle is a screen writers ploy, and has been overused. I think the writers may have seen "Kill Straker" misunderstood the Foster's psychology, and motivation and extrapolated from there...

Mmm... I still think the irony of depicting the SHADO HQ in the "UFO movie"under a Hollywood Studio, and yet ACTUALLY making the movie in the UK - partly at the same studios where UFO (the TV series) was filmed VERY ironic.

Now there's a wildly fanciful plot for a piece of fan fiction... who'd everbelieve that!

Griff

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To be honest, I thought Griff was thinking of an entirely different source of 'inner conflict' to that which exists in Ed Straker! Isn't it on displayin some areas of fan fiction?!

I still don't think this film will ever get off the ground. They're using the UFO name - a point of familiarity with people - to get their own film off the ground. It'll only 'resemble' the UFO that we know.

If the film DOES get off the ground, it would most likely only be good for reigniting a wider interest in the original series. You have to keep an open mind of course, but it seems unlikely to me that this will be anything like the tv series. In a way, how *could* it be?
 
Simon

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No one knows what these inner conflicts might be - but seeing as lots of
people have them, I can't really see why this in itself should be a problem
to anyone. I remember reading a fan fiction story years ago which suggested
that Foster (and I seem to remember Freeman) had a drink problem caused by
some incident in the past! Maybe Foster's inner conflict is through some
childhood happening. It could be anything - until we're told what the back
story is, I don't see any reason to be alarmed. I don't think the Foster
character was really ever that detailed anyway in the series (he was
primarily an action man). As to this upsetting Michael Billington
fans.....well, it won't be Michael Billington playing the part in the film.
I would have thought it would have upset them enough that a new actor will
take on the role, surely?

It's always possible that they will find a new dimension for the character.
They are looking for new angles in this film. I don't necessarily think this
is a bad thing - it just depends how it plays out (if it ever happens). If
people want everyting to be the same as in the series, then I think they're
going to be disappointed by the film.

I don't want to see a UFO film made because I KNOW it won't be like the tv
series. So for now, I'm quite happy seeing what they come up with because -
on it's own terms - it MIGHT actually be quite interesting. But if like me
you thought only Ed Bishop can play Ed Straker... then this proposed UFO
film is just an imposter. But possibly an intriguing one.


Simon.

Ha ha! :)

How about this?

Two screen writers make an appointment to see Ed Straker at Harlington-Straker Film Studios.

"Hey, Mr Straker. We've some up with this great idea for a film. You see there's this shadowy secret organisation (let's call it SHADO) who's sole purpose is to intercept and destroy invading aliens, who come to earth to harvest organs to implant into their dying impotent race..."

Straker "We save money and save the budget by having this organisation based here at the studio. We could help with logistics..."

...hey, that's a GREAT idea. Who'd ever believe that! Great idea, and we save money too. Wait until I meet with the producers.

Freeman's POV: Alec raises a wry knowing grin as he sees Straker look poignantly at General Henderson's number on his videoscreen...

Best,

Griff

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After trying to be made to think he didnt see what he thought he did, even
he realized what would happen if the news about UFO's became common
knowledge.

Bruce
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Subject: [SHADO] New UFO Movie - Paul Foster's character



Hi All,


Mmm... Paul Foster... Inner Conflict??? What inner conflict? He was a
world-class test pilot who's plane was destroyed under extraordinary
circumstances, his friend and co-pilot killed, and then effectively told to
keep quiet and not rock the boat. He was not the kind of person to keep
quiet. His life was about action, and getting answers.



Griff

> After trying to be made to think he didnt see what he thought he did,
> even he realized what would happen if the news about UFO's became common
> knowledge.

Yes, they could certainly have inner conflict with Foster's character.
First he wanted to expose the truth, only to start working for an
organization which tries to hide the truth from the public.

I don't have a negative reaction to this news... it shows that they
are making progress (production starting in the spring of 2010?),
and they care about character development... plus, Joshua Jackson
seems like a good enough choice.

Marc

> I don't want to see a UFO film made because I KNOW it won't be like the
> tv series.

I *do* want to see a new UFO film made, because it will raise awareness
of the original series... and who knows, it may cause someone to go back
and remaster the original series in HDTV in the correct aspect ratio.

Heck, I see that on my local Cable "On Demand", I can now watch every
episode of "The Prisoner" (original series) on demand, due to the new
remake (which I have yet to watch, but have read one bad review).

Marc

I agree with you Marc. I think there are all sorts of potential inner conflicts with Paul Foster that haven't begun to surface. The biggest being...did I see what I thought I saw and how to prove it. My hope is that this movie brings more attention to the TV show which then opens the door for a new era of TV and our saga. I think the time is right.
 


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> After trying to be made to think he didnt see what he thought he did,
> even he realized what would happen if the news about UFO's became common
> knowledge.

Yes, they could certainly have inner conflict with Foster's character.
First he wanted to expose the truth, only to start working for an
organization which tries to hide the truth from the public.

I don't have a negative reaction to this news... it shows that they
are making progress (production starting in the spring of 2010?),
and they care about character development... plus, Joshua Jackson
seems like a good enough choice.

Marc



     

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This sentence makes my brain hurt. :-(

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> After trying to be made to think he didnt see what he thought he did,
> even he realized what would happen if the news about UFO's became common
> knowledge.









     

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>
> I *do* want to see a new UFO film made, because it will raise awareness
> of the original series... and who knows, it may cause someone to go back
> and remaster the original series in HDTV in the correct aspect ratio.


True enough. And in my defence, I DID say in my first post some hour ago:

".......If the film DOES get off the ground, it would most likely only be
good for
reigniting a wider interest in the original series......"

;-)


Simon

Remember the scene in the airplane where the doctor is debriefing him, the back and forth?? Trying to make him think he didn't see the UFO.

Then there was the scene which the audio was recorded and played back once in shadow headquarters, that mass hysteria would break out if the general population was made aware of the aliens existence.

Bruce
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This sentence makes my brain hurt. :-(

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> After trying to be made to think he didnt see what he thought he did,
> even he realized what would happen if the news about UFO's became common
> knowledge.

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I don't think her issue was with the facts presented.  But rather in the way they were presented.  : )
 
Jeff

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Remember the scene in the airplane where the doctor is debriefing him, the back and forth?? Trying to make him think he didn't see the UFO.

Then there was the scene which the audio was recorded and played back once in shadow headquarters, that mass hysteria would break out if the general population was made aware of the aliens existence.

Bruce
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Subject: Re: [SHADO] New UFO Movie - Paul Foster's character

This sentence makes my brain hurt. :-(

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] New UFO Movie - Paul Foster's character
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 8:16 PM

> After trying to be made to think he didnt see what he thought he did,
> even he realized what would happen if the news about UFO's became common
> knowledge.

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I know, just tried to explain it differently :)

Bruce
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I don't think her issue was with the facts presented. But rather in the way they were presented. : )
   
Jeff

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Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:58 PM

   

Remember the scene in the airplane where the doctor is debriefing him, the back and forth?? Trying to make him think he didn't see the UFO.

Then there was the scene which the audio was recorded and played back once in shadow headquarters, that mass hysteria would break out if the generalpopulation was made aware of the aliens existence.

Bruce
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From: Louise Oatridge
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This sentence makes my brain hurt. :-(

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Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 8:16 PM

> After trying to be made to think he didnt see what he thought he did,
> even he realized what would happen if the news about UFO's became common
> knowledge.

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Hi all,

I just went to Google, and did a search on "UFO Joshua Jackson",
and was a bit surprised to see 100 results (every one I looked at!)
with this new news story. I guess this makes this the biggest
"UFO movie" news item so far!

Marc

LOL I did the same thing when I read everyones' posts this afternoon. It sure appears to be a big deal out there!

 

Cheers,

Mary
 


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:11:20 -0800
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Hi all,

I just went to Google, and did a search on "UFO Joshua Jackson",
and was a bit surprised to see 100 results (every one I looked at!)
with this new news story. I guess this makes this the biggest
"UFO movie" news item so far!

Marc



     

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This is the first sign that something is actually in the works. However I did remember back in the 1980's when Disney was planning on doing a animated version of Edgar Rice Burrough's John Carter of Mars series based on the first book The Princess of Mars they had a item in Variety saying Sean Connery was involved. The film never got made because they could not come up with a script.
The thing that does bother me about this is the fact that Joshua Jackson is in Fringe. That means if the series continues that his appearance in a UFO movie depends on him being available when the movie is being made. If the shooting times overlap something will have to give. And now days I don't see a hit TV series giving time off to a lead actor to do a film.

James K.




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LOL I did the same thing when I read everyones' posts this afternoon. It sure appears to be a big deal out there!



Cheers,

Mary



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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:11:20 -0800
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Hi all,

I just went to Google, and did a search on "UFO Joshua Jackson",
and was a bit surprised to see 100 results (every one I looked at!)
with this new news story. I guess this makes this the biggest
"UFO movie" news item so far!

Marc





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