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dep1701
I hate to admit this, but I'm uncertain as to whether the version of "Get Back" in the episode "Ordeal" is actually the Beatles, or a VERY good cover version. Anybody know?

If it's a cover it's a damn good one, but I know the Beatles almost never licensed their recordings for anything other than their own film projects.

It's one thing ( besides the Nehru jackets ) that really dates the episode ( unless, of course, it was supposed to be '60s themed party that Foster was going to ).

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Re: Ordeal question

Marc Martin
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On August 21, David Penn <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I hate to admit this, but I'm uncertain as to whether the version of
> "Get Back" in the episode "Ordeal" is actually the Beatles, or a VERY good cover version. Anybody know?

It's definitely the Beatles.  There is also a Beatles song in the
last episode of THE PRISONER (also the original version).

I'm sure there is a story behind this, and I may have already
heard it and forgot.  :-)

Marc
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Re: Ordeal question

Griff
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Hi,

This subject was raised a while back - well, a few years...

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

It is quite categorically, "The Beatles" you hear in "Ordeal".

I have been told by my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) that in the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment' for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way the producer/director saw fit during that film/sequence". This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also you will notice that there were no credits given to the Beatles. Also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changed up, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotional piece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed to publicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and I doubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronization royalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

I hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff

--- In [hidden email], "David Penn" <dep1701@...> wrote:
>
> I hate to admit this, but I'm uncertain as to whether the version of "Get Back" in the episode "Ordeal" is actually the Beatles, or a VERY good cover version. Anybody know?
>
> If it's a cover it's a damn good one, but I know the Beatles almost never licensed their recordings for anything other than their own film projects.
>
> It's one thing ( besides the Nehru jackets ) that really dates the episode ( unless, of course, it was supposed to be '60s themed party that Foster was going to ).
>

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Re: Ordeal question

Marc Douglas-2
And if you remember, McGoohan used The Beatles All You Need Is Love in the last Prisoner Episode, Fall Out

Marc

(The Other One)

From: griffwason
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 4:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Ordeal question

 
Hi,

This subject was raised a while back - well, a few years...

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

It is quite categorically, "The Beatles" you hear in "Ordeal".

I have been told by my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) that in the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment' for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way the producer/director saw fit during that film/sequence". This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also you will notice that there were no credits given to the Beatles. Also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changed up, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotional piece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed to publicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and I doubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronization royalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

I hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff





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Re: Ordeal question

James Killian
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The answer to why the two Beatle songs turned up in UFO and also The Prisoner when they did not license their song to other projects is simple.  They worked for at the time a company EMI Music that also owned ATV which made UFO and The Prisoner so ATV had the rights to use any of their songs in anyway they wanted to.  Simple.
James K.
 

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 From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Ordeal question
 
 
   
 
On August 21, David Penn <mailto:dep1701%40yahoo.com> wrote:
> I hate to admit this, but I'm uncertain as to whether the version of
> "Get Back" in the episode "Ordeal" is actually the Beatles, or a VERY good cover version. Anybody know?

It's definitely the Beatles.  There is also a Beatles song in the
last episode of THE PRISONER (also the original version).

I'm sure there is a story behind this, and I may have already
heard it and forgot.  :-)

Marc
   
         

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Ordeal question

leviathan0999
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On 8/21/2013 3:50 PM, David Penn wrote:
> It's one thing ( besides the Nehru jackets ) that really dates the episode ( unless, of course, it was supposed to be '60s themed party that Foster was going to ).

How does one of the most popular Beatles' songs being played at a party
in 1980 really date the episode? I was hearing Beatles' songs all over
the place in 1980s -- hell I hear them all over the place now!

--
Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email]

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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dep1701
Agreed, but when you consider that when the episode was produced "Get Bak" was a contemporary song, then add in the fashions, and the general age of the people at the party, it seems they would be grooving to something more 1980's ( or 1979 ) like "Don't Bring Me Down" by ELO for example. It would be like someone in their late 20's /Early 30's now at a party getting up and wildly dancing to something by Oasis or EMF. When I've gone to shindigs thrown by folks in that age bracket, you rarely hear anything from more than a few years past being played.

I know they couldn't possibly have predicted an actual song from 1980, but having such a well known song from 1969 featured at a wild party from 1980 makes the partygoers seem like old fogeys. It might have been less jarring if they'd had Barry Gray or his associates come up with a generic piece of futuristic rock music that wouldn't pin the show down to EXACTLY when it was being produced. Just my opinion of course.


--- In [hidden email], Jonathan Andrew Sheen <jsheen@...> wrote:

>
> On 8/21/2013 3:50 PM, David Penn wrote:
> > It's one thing ( besides the Nehru jackets ) that really dates the episode ( unless, of course, it was supposed to be '60s themed party that Foster was going to ).
>
> How does one of the most popular Beatles' songs being played at a party
> in 1980 really date the episode? I was hearing Beatles' songs all over
> the place in 1980s -- hell I hear them all over the place now!
>
> --
> Jonathan Andrew Sheen
>
> http://www.leviathanstudios.com
> Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
> jsheen@...
>
> "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
> -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01
>


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Re: Ordeal question

pointy100
I'd never considered these aspects of UFO in this way before. It is very late 60's even in how it tries to be projecting 20 years hence. I have never found it jarring, however. It feels integral to the feel of the show for me but I can see your point and I agree it could be seen to undo the illusion that is being created.

David

--- In [hidden email], "David Penn" <dep1701@...> wrote:

>
> Agreed, but when you consider that when the episode was produced "Get Bak" was a contemporary song, then add in the fashions, and the general age of the people at the party, it seems they would be grooving to something more 1980's ( or 1979 ) like "Don't Bring Me Down" by ELO for example. It would be like someone in their late 20's /Early 30's now at a party getting up and wildly dancing to something by Oasis or EMF. When I've gone to shindigs thrown by folks in that age bracket, you rarely hear anything from more than a few years past being played.
>
> I know they couldn't possibly have predicted an actual song from 1980, but having such a well known song from 1969 featured at a wild party from 1980 makes the partygoers seem like old fogeys. It might have been less jarring if they'd had Barry Gray or his associates come up with a generic piece of futuristic rock music that wouldn't pin the show down to EXACTLY when it was being produced. Just my opinion of course.
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Jonathan Andrew Sheen <jsheen@> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/21/2013 3:50 PM, David Penn wrote:
> > > It's one thing ( besides the Nehru jackets ) that really dates the episode ( unless, of course, it was supposed to be '60s themed party that Foster was going to ).
> >
> > How does one of the most popular Beatles' songs being played at a party
> > in 1980 really date the episode? I was hearing Beatles' songs all over
> > the place in 1980s -- hell I hear them all over the place now!
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Andrew Sheen
> >
> > http://www.leviathanstudios.com
> > Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
> > jsheen@
> >
> > "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
> > -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01
> >
>