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Hi List,

I was wondering what everyone else thinks about us being sensored by Marc.
I'm just asking myself what point it is in starting a deep discussion about
anything. If he can decide that he doesn't like it and sensor it then why do
we discuss anything at all? I guess this question will make me unpopular, and
I'm sorry if it's an upsetting question, but I'd like to know what's going to
happen on the List in future. How can any of us know that what we say one is
going to be accepted by Marc? Is there any point in writing to the List in
the first place?

Yeah, I am upset by what's happened, especially as all the mails that I wrote
earlier today probabyl won't end up on the List at all, something which I
consider a total waste of time and space. Why couldn't we finish our
discussion first, then just say that this topic shouldn't be discussed in
future?

Now I wonder whether this will get published? If you don't like what I say,
Marc, then please let me know. You didn't print any restrictions in your
egroups "advertisement".

Peace.....Karen

Karen correctly points out that my [hidden email] "Rules" page
(http://www.egroups.com/files/SHADO/rules.html) makes no mention of
UFO slash not being allowed on this list. Therefore, I'm going to
fix that oversight by adding the following new rule:

* This is not an "adults only" list, so please do not use language or
discuss subjects which could be reasonably viewed as offensive. This
included the topic of "slash" fiction, which has proven to be offensive
to a significant number of fans.

--
Marc Martin, [hidden email]

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Hi Marc!

Thanks for adding this paragraph to your rules! I'd begun to think I was
going senile for a minute there and had forgotten how to read correctly... <G>

Glad this matter is all sorted out now!!

.....Karen

Amelia said:

Hey, we train for years to swoon properly, Rob. You think it's easy? It's a
tough, complicated process. So you think it isn't difficult? Don't ever let
me hear you say it isn't difficult.

Amelia ;-)

<<<<< Hee, hee!! Good for you, Amelia!! How can we expect men to understand,
eh?! :-)))

.....Karen

[hidden email] wrote:

>Hey, we train for years to swoon properly, Rob. You think it's easy? It's
>a tough, complicated process.

Show him your "kerplop" bruises. That should convince him.

- Lisa

--
Lisa Williams: [hidden email] or [hidden email]
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/

Marc wrote:
>Karen correctly points out that my [hidden email] "Rules" page
>(http://www.egroups.com/files/SHADO/rules.html) makes no mention of
>UFO slash not being allowed on this list. Therefore, I'm going to
>fix that oversight by adding the following new rule:
>
>* This is not an "adults only" list, so please do not use language or
> discuss subjects which could be reasonably viewed as offensive. This
> included the topic of "slash" fiction, which has proven to be offensive
> to a significant number of fans.

The problem with this is, Marc, that it will make people wonder what 'slash
fiction' is - I had definitely never heard of it until I was part of this
mailing list, and I haven't encountered the word in that context elsewhere
either. Perhaps you should explain the term for those who don't know
it? (BTW, I totally agree with the addition to the rules! As I'm sure the
majority of people on this list do.)

CU

Lieve



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[hidden email] wrote:

>I was wondering what everyone else thinks about us being sensored by Marc.

(I believe you mean "censored".)

A mailing list is not a public forum -- it is the property of the list
owner, who decides the policies. If the owner does not want a particular
topic discussed on the list, or does not allow certain types of posts, that
is his right. Most lists have a charter which details what is and is not
allowed; a "no flames" policy, for instance, is very common. It is the
owner's responsibility to manage the list as he sees fit, and I've seen
more lists wrecked by under-management than the reverse. (I should probably
mention that I'm a list owner myself, and hence sensitive to the problems
of managing one. Mine is a slash list, though, so at least I don't have to
worry about slash wars!)

On this present subject, slash has come up many times in the past and much
the same things are said every time. I realize that newcomers may not have
heard it all before, but those of us who have been here for several years
can pretty well recite the whole debate from memory. Hence, when someone
comes in and starts raising the same ol' complaints yet *again*, people
tend to get increasingly irritated and unpleasantness often ensues. I don't
think it is out of line for a list owner to declare meta-discussions of the
pros and cons of slash as off-topic on a list of this type.

To anyone who is interested in the usual content of slash debates, I
recommend that you read the following:
ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/misc/slash.defense . It was compiled
from discussions on a Blake's 7 list several years ago, so the characters
referred to are from B7, but the arguments are the same ones that come up
in such discussions in every fandom. (Over and over and over and...) It
covers most of what you would have been likely to see in any such
discussion here, minus the personal slurs that tend to creep in.

- Lisa
--
Lisa Williams: [hidden email] or [hidden email]
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/

> Hi Karen,
>
> > I was wondering what everyone else thinks about us being censored by
Marc.
> [snip]

Doesn't bother me. It's Marc's baby!
>
> Well, in Marc's defence, the SHADO EGroups FAQ is quite clear.
> However, you could simply start an unmoderated UFO egroups list
> yourself. Then we'll have true freedom of choice, and the number of
> members who join will be the only true indicator of the need for it's
> existence.
> This sort of thing has been done before (Amelia's Ed Bishop "swooners"
> <g> list, for example).

Ed Bishop's swooners....I like it, I like it!

> I'm trying to be genuinely helpful, so please don't take this the
> wrong way.

Of course not!

LLAP? that's a new one on me. What does it stand for Rob?

Sheila

Ed Bishopophile

Pacific Standard Time, [hidden email]
> writes:
>
> << This sort of thing has been done before (Amelia's Ed Bishop "swooners"
> <g> list, for example). >>

Amelia wrote
> Hey, we train for years to swoon properly, Rob. You think it's easy?
It's a
> tough, complicated process.

And involves intensive training and a regular work out at a SHADO approved
Health Farm!
Lots of singing in the sauna!

So you think it isn't difficult? Don't ever let
> me hear you say it isn't difficult.

ROTFLMAO!

Sheila

Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!

> * This is not an "adults only" list, so please do not use language or
> discuss subjects which could be reasonably viewed as offensive. This
> included the topic of "slash" fiction, which has proven to be offensive
> to a significant number of fans.

I'm all for that!
This is your list, Marc, and I like it the way it is!

As Rob pointed out: there are other places for discussing other aspects of UFO
(and being a Straker Babe's got its own real dangers, Rob! ;-)
and if someone wants to start a new list for the 'S... Word' discussion,
well, she may go for it...
We tried to discuss this on another list, but... <shrug>
Everyone was very much set in her ways! :-)

Maybe what's needed at this time is a place where people who don't like UFO
being 'slashed' will be able to gather and have fun...

--Anny

> LLAP? that's a new one on me. What does it stand for Rob?
>
> Sheila

I are not Rob, but:

Spockism: "Live long and Prosper".

Paul "HTH" Bowers

Amelia wrote:
><< This sort of thing has been done before (Amelia's Ed Bishop "swooners"
> <g> list, for example). >>
> Hey, we train for years to swoon properly, Rob. You think it's easy? It's a
>tough, complicated process. So you think it isn't difficult? Don't ever let
>me hear you say it isn't difficult.

Absolutely *delicious* -a definite coffee-spiller! Thanks for
brightening up what appears to be yet another rather cold wet and windy
day, here in the UK! (but perfect UFO-watching weather <reaching for
EXPOSED>, IYKWIM!)

--
Rob :)

Anny Theberge <[hidden email]> writes

>This is your list, Marc, and I like it the way it is!

Yeah. I thought of quitting this list during all the fuss but then no
one quits SHADO.


>Maybe what's needed at this time is a place where people who don't like UFO
>being 'slashed' will be able to gather and have fun...

Oh Anny, I love it when blow your Viking trumpet;-)
--
Suzanne Sutherland
La Grande

>
> I was wondering what everyone else thinks about us being sensored by Marc.

I don't see it as censorship, and I think Marc is doing the right thing. This
is an excellently moderated list.
Julia

In message <[hidden email]>, [hidden email] writes
>>
>> I was wondering what everyone else thinks about us being sensored by Marc.
>
>I don't see it as censorship, and I think Marc is doing the right thing. This
>is an excellently moderated list.
>Julia

Yeah, I have to agree with Julia here. I've been on the fab-ufo/SHADO
list for nearly 3 years now and I've seen all sorts come and go. A few
rules aren't going to kill anybody. Maybe if you look at it in terms of
it not being a rule but merely common sense and consideration for others
then it might be a bit more palatable.


--
Suzanne Sutherland
aka drdougjackson

Oops sorry Paul I got in a muddle again. Thanks for the explanation :-)

Sheila

Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!