Re: Digest Number 1094

<< Any idea whether 'The Invaders' might make it to DVD? Andy >>

Oh, that would be so good.. We can but hope..

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Top 100 TV Shows
The latest issue of 'TV Zone' magazine (#163) in the UK includes the
results of a survey of readers' favourite 100 cult TV shows.
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Could some kind UK Cousin maybe type up that list so we all <me> could read
it?? Mucj pretty please????

April D..

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Hi all,

Well, it's time to move onto our next UFO episode for discussion --
THE SOUND OF SILENCE. If anyone would like to make some comments on
this episode (perhaps watching it first to refresh your memory),
please make them within the next 2 weeks!

Marc

Hi all,

I haven't seen much discussion about our current UFO episode up
for discussion, THE SOUND OF SILENCE. Anyone else have anything
to say about this episode?

Marc

While I thought that the episode was an interesting one, I couldn't help wondering why it took Straker and Foster so long in determining that the UFO was submerged in the lake. They have both known for some time that UFO's can last in the earth's atomosphere considerably longer when in the water. If they are to blanket the whole area as they were doing, wouldn't it be an automatic assumption that it could be in the water? On a side note however, I loved the final tank vs. UFO scene. It was the only time that I can recall in which we can actually see some of the firepower being utilized with the tanks!

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all,

I haven't seen much discussion about our current UFO episode up
for discussion, THE SOUND OF SILENCE. Anyone else have anything
to say about this episode?

Marc



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The show would have been over too quickly if they went right to the most obvious spot. This could have been a good one to show how Hunter teams act in the field, but all we got was Drive here, wait,fire, Drive off"
By the way since some of us are going gaga over the technical aspects of the show (Self included), just what do you think was used to power the mobiles?
I mean they have what looks like an exhaust pipe on the drivers side behind the cabin, but I have studied a number of shows where the mobiles get action and I have yet to find a shot of it giving off smoke or anything else.
An oversight by the FX people, perhaps?

Robert Thomas wrote:
>
> By the way since some of us are going gaga over the technical
> aspects of the show (Self included), just what do you think was
> used to power the mobiles? I mean they have what looks like an
> exhaust pipe on the drivers side behind the cabin, but I have
> studied a number of shows where the mobiles get action and I
> have yet to find a shot of it giving off smoke or anything else.
> An oversight by the FX people, perhaps?

I'm sure they are conventional combustion engines,
diesel-powered, possibly. I wouldn't expect an exhaust from
a healthy engine to give off a significant smoke or vapour.

It makes sense to have the exhaust there so that it won't get
choked if the mobile is semi-submerged.

James

--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote:
> I'm sure they are conventional combustion engines,
> diesel-powered, possibly. I wouldn't expect an exhaust from
> a healthy engine to give off a significant smoke or vapour.
>
> It makes sense to have the exhaust there so that it won't get
> choked if the mobile is semi-submerged.
>
> James

Now that we are talking about the SHADO mobiles, does anyone know
how big the models are? When I was a kid, it never occured to me
they were scaled models, because they looked so real! Even today, I
still think the effect looks great, I like the fact that you can
even see dust when the mobiles are moving! One thing I find
inconsistent is that you can see that the mobiles have a bumpy ride,
while when you see scenes inside them, the ride seems to be pretty
smooth.

David Levine

Hi

Here's a link to an image on Marc's UFOSeries website showing Derek Meddings
and a number o the UFO props. You can judge the scale of many of the UFO
props.

http://www.ufoseries.com/behindTheScenes/derekSkyOne.jpg

Here's a link alos from the UFO website with other studio photos.

http://www.ufoseries.com/behindTheScenes/index.html

Best,

Griff

-----Original Message-----
From: David Levine [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:46 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Episode Discussions: THE SOUND OF SILENCE


--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote:
> I'm sure they are conventional combustion engines,
> diesel-powered, possibly. I wouldn't expect an exhaust from
> a healthy engine to give off a significant smoke or vapour.
>
> It makes sense to have the exhaust there so that it won't get
> choked if the mobile is semi-submerged.
>
> James

Now that we are talking about the SHADO mobiles, does anyone know
how big the models are? When I was a kid, it never occured to me
they were scaled models, because they looked so real! Even today, I
still think the effect looks great, I like the fact that you can
even see dust when the mobiles are moving! One thing I find
inconsistent is that you can see that the mobiles have a bumpy ride,
while when you see scenes inside them, the ride seems to be pretty
smooth.

David Levine





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--- In [hidden email], "Griff" <griff@g...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Here's a link to an image on Marc's UFOSeries website showing
Derek Meddings
> and a number o the UFO props. You can judge the scale of many of
the UFO
> props.
>
> http://www.ufoseries.com/behindTheScenes/derekSkyOne.jpg

Thanks Griff. In this picture, it looks like there is a mobile in
the bottom shelf. But this may or may not have been a model that
could actually move. Since the powered model had moving mechanical
parts, lights, etc., and to make the effect look better, I would
suspect it was bigger than the one shown. My guess is that this
would had been a model that was at least 2-3 feet long. Comments?

David Levine

Hi

I'm sure I've seen somewhere a behind-the-scenes studio photo of 3 SHADO
mobiles (probably whilst filming Computer Affair) travelling through a
woodland scene. From the size of the technician in the background, the
studio mobiles looked about 1 foot in length.

Griff

-----Original Message-----
From: David Levine [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:03 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Episode Discussions: THE SOUND OF SILENCE


--- In [hidden email], "Griff" <griff@g...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Here's a link to an image on Marc's UFOSeries website showing
Derek Meddings
> and a number o the UFO props. You can judge the scale of many of
the UFO
> props.
>
> http://www.ufoseries.com/behindTheScenes/derekSkyOne.jpg

Thanks Griff. In this picture, it looks like there is a mobile in
the bottom shelf. But this may or may not have been a model that
could actually move. Since the powered model had moving mechanical
parts, lights, etc., and to make the effect look better, I would
suspect it was bigger than the one shown. My guess is that this
would had been a model that was at least 2-3 feet long. Comments?

David Levine

>
> Thanks Griff. In this picture, it looks like there is a mobile in
> the bottom shelf. But this may or may not have been a model that
> could actually move. Since the powered model had moving mechanical
> parts, lights, etc., and to make the effect look better, I would
> suspect it was bigger than the one shown. My guess is that this
> would had been a model that was at least 2-3 feet long. Comments?
>
> David Levine

Well, David,

I can send you a behind-the-scene shot with Derek Meddings and the
SHADO mobile - just a second...

Christian

Intest in this episodes seems to be limited the mobiles but some in how SHADO
operates per finding the UFO is also interesting.
Another point of interest is the difference I see in how people in the group
react per dogs and cats. None of you make a comment on the killing of the
dog.

James K.


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[hidden email] wrote:

>Another point of interest is the difference I see in how people in the
>group react per dogs and cats. None of you make a comment on the killing
>of the dog.

It's one point I don't like about this episode; I don't care for stories
which involve killing animals. (I'm not too particular what they do to
people.) However, I have to admit that any emotional impact of the dog's
death was somewhat blunted for me by the "dead" dog's very obvious and
heavy breathing.

- Lisa

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>However, I have to admit that any emotional impact of the dog's
>death was somewhat blunted for me by the "dead" dog's very obvious
>and heavy breathing.

Well, the dog was never shown dead... he was whining, so he was still
alive.

Marc

I remember reading somewhere that the dog barking sounds, and I presume the
other 'whimpering' sounds were made by Percy Edwards -Animal Vocalist.
Somehow knowing that coupled with the fact that dog in the scene was
probably asleep painted with strawberry jam, lessened my concern for its
safety... :)

Griff

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:38 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Episode Discussions: THE SOUND OF SILENCE


Intest in this episodes seems to be limited the mobiles but some in how
SHADO
operates per finding the UFO is also interesting.
Another point of interest is the difference I see in how people in the group
react per dogs and cats. None of you make a comment on the killing of the
dog.

James K.

[hidden email] wrote:

> Another point of interest is the difference I see in how people in
> the group react per dogs and cats. None of you make a comment on
> the killing of the dog.
>

The big difference is that SHADO - the 'good guys' - are seen to
encourage the killing of the cat. The dog is really just an
unfortunate casualty of war.

Say what you will about the dog obviously being unharmed in the episode but
the fact remains that nobody voiced the same concerns over it as we heard about
the Cat in Cat with Ten Lives. No animal is ever harmed for real in TV or
films anymore. They have to have a representive from the Humane Association on
the set of whenever a animal is being used. The stories being fiction I won't
comment on the comment saying what the aliens do to people doesn't matter.

James K.(looking into getting a pet to protect him. Kung Fu Hamster or
Bengal Tiger?)


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There is a difference between the dog and the cat. The dog was a innocent
bystander but the cat was now a alien!

James K.


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[hidden email] wrote:
> Say what you will about the dog obviously being unharmed in the
> episode but the fact remains that nobody voiced the same concerns
> over it as we heard about the Cat in Cat with Ten Lives.

What ARE the concerns with respect to the dog, exactly? The cat is
a different issue because the script appears to condone the cat
being hunted and killed. This is not the case for the dog.

Or do you suspect that the animal used for the film was actually
harmed? If so, I doubt it personally, 'acting' dogs are trained to
perform tasks a lot more challenging and complicated than looking
dead.

Cheers
James

James, I know perfectly well that neither animal was really harmed. The
point I am trying to make(apparently with little effect) is that there is more
concern shown for the cat in Cat with 10 Lives which was cleary shown to be
working for the aliens if not a alien itself(refer to Dr. Jackson statement at the
end of the episode)and everyone gets hot and bothered but no one bats an
eyelash about the dog so they can't claim its because they are animal lovers only
which might explain the same callous disregard for being more worried about
animals than fellow humans.

James K.
(No animals or humans were harmed in the writting of this email.)
(No Aliens were harmed in the posting of this message. Darn it!)


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