Re: Digest Number 244: Soundtrack

I live in the uk............how can I pay for this soundtrack in
£££££££s????
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> > the idea of wanting human organs, to colonization.
>
> James Gibbon <[hidden email]> answered:-
> > I don't think that would be a great idea. The colonisation idea was
already a bit
> > overdone in science fiction ... when the first UFO series was made at
the end of
> > the '60s.
>
> With different aliens as well as different active SHADO crew the scenario
> would be very different. Perhaps let some of the UFO 1 aliens take refuge
on
> Earth and they help SHADO.
>
> Or see http://www.buckrogers.demon.co.uk/ufo/end.txt and
> http://www.buckrogers.demon.co.uk/ufo/end2.txt for another possible
follow-up Conflict
> et al. Let's give it a rest. Not only that, the aliens may not WANT to
live 1960's
> had their share of BEMs (bug-eyed monsters) in s-f films and TV shows.
Trek
> and UFO were among the first TV shows to give the aliens more than just
> fearsome appearances - they gave them motives and meanings for their bad
> behaviour.
>
> This is OT, I know, but James - do you recollect which eps of Trek was
> canned due to the S&M connotations? Is it the one in which Kirk and Uhura
> share the first Tv interracial kiss? Just curious as to whether I've seen
it [hidden email]
> writes:
>
> > I tend to agree with James on the colonization theme - it's all over the
> > place - from The Invaders, to Dark Skies, First Wave, Earth: Final
Conflict
> > et al. Let's give it a res
>
> And X-Files, for a particularily well known one.
> It's all over the place because *surprise* it works, people like it, it
gets
> a audience. Alien colonization, alien takeover, what have you. Done
seriously
> or done as wonderful farce, as in Invaders From Mars. Besides, I'd watch
this
> UFO film even if the plot was Straker and Freeman inviting the aliens in
for
> drinks. I'm inclined to believe that since Mr. Moffat is a fan of the
> original series, it may follow canon pretty closely. The reason I'd take
it a
> step further is that when people are selling a screenplay, it's usually
high
> concept, it's reduced to familar stuff in presentation, a few words like
> King Kong meets Indiana Jones. (g) I was thinking along those lines.
> Remember, this film has to be presented to a more sophisticated audience ,
> (besides us dyed in the wool fans ) and this film can make use of the
special
> effects we have now. Depending on the budget, we could get practically
> anything in the concept. Keep in mind that this little baby might go to a
> series, too.
> Heck I don't care what the storyline is as long as it doesn't veer off
too
> much, and it has Ed Bishop as Straker in a cool car (G) They can put him
in
> the car with computer graphics this time, he doesn't have to suffer, and
he Uhura
> > share the first Tv interracial kiss? Just curious as to whether I've
seen it they
> are going to be looking for a much wider audience this time, and may take
a
> lesson from such successful pix as MIB and ID, which combined elements of
> the alien menace with a good dose of humour here and there. Star Trek
moved
> beyond its own fandom when the fourth movie (the whale story) came out.
The
> ecologically-based screenplay, placing the cast in those "fish out of
water"
> scenes on good ol' terra firma, and the legitimate laughs made it the best
> of the lot as far as reaching out to non-Trek movie-goers.
>
> UFO has at present a select "sure" audience and must work to get people to
> take it seriously in its new incarnation. I almost think a 4 hr miniseries
> might be the best idea, rather than a theatrical release. You pack alot
more
> of everything into a miniseries, including character development,
plotlines,
> hardware, etc. That's how V became a series. I'm also concerned that GA's
> involvement, even his name on the credits might scare people away - after
> all - he's mostly known for his puppet shows - and there are some viewers
> who never saw UFO but "know" about Thunderbirds and classify them as
> kiddie-fare.
>
> In some ways, UFO2 may have to start from scratch, simply to eradicate all
> those items from the original that wouldn't work today. Like the purple
> wigs, ha ha. They'll obviously want to introduce new characters, as well
as
> (we hope) bringing back some of the originals (i.e. Bishop, Billington, et
> al). SHADO itself will have undergone some radical changes in the
> intervening years, and the technology in every area must be updated - will
> they be using cell phones, laptops, etc? S-F takes an enormous creative
team
> and time to consider all these parameters, and how they will be resolved,
> then developed realistically as sets, models, SFX, SGI. And, there really
> has to be some sort of "bridge" which brings us from the past into the
> present time of the movie/mini-series. In order to boost viewership, would
> the producers consider trying to attract some current name
actors/actresses
> to take roles, in addition to participation by the original actors? There
> has to be SOME reason for modern viewers to tune in - esp those NOT
familiar
> with the show at all. In order to differentiate themselves, UFO2 will have
> to offer something apart from the invasion theme. A plot twist. A catch.
>
> UFO's original premise was interesting enough to get us to contribute
ideas space
> babe who was keen for Kirk.....sorry, Marc about the OT comments.....
>
> Going back to UFO, the idea of the aliens taking what we have, as opposed
to
> our planet itself, makes more sense. If they are a dying race (as
stipulated
> in the series), then their personal resources are probably wearing thin,
and
> actually taking over another planet (with all the loss, expense and
> logistics of all-out war and then leaving behind an occupying force) might
> be beyond their current capacities or needs. A dying race is more
concerned
> with survival than conquest, even if they are technologically superior.
> Their population may have been decimated through disease, wars, poisoning
> their own environment, etc. Any number of things could have gone wrong on
> their own world. The original UFO series depicts the aliens as viewing us
as
> cattle - something to use for their own ends. This is not unlike what
human
> researchers have been doing for years with lab animals. Humans also
"abduct"
> all kinds of animals in their own habitats, knock them out with
> tranquillizer darts, perform medical experiments and tests on them, and
even
> "tag" them with radio transmitters to track their movements once they're
set
> free again. If you were a polar bear in the Arctic, and you lost 4-5 hrs
our
> of your day, what would you think? Especially about that weird thing that
> suddenly appeared around your neck? Do these scientists worry about how
the
> bear is going to feel about his "abduction" dreams and flashbacks? I don't
> think so.....
>
> Soooo, if humans can do that to creatures they share their own world with,
> how much easier would it be for aliens from another system to see humans
in
> the same light? We would become the subjects of experiments, tests, "what
> have you" for them, and they wouldn't feel any different about it than
human
> researchers do about the bears, wolves, etc they trap for scientific
> purposes.
>
> If the aliens are humanoid, that makes their mission here even more cruel.
> They are like us, and yet they are not. They don't even see us as equals.
> Their technical superiority and their desperation have driven them to
> consider their own needs first. Humans become incidental. And, when the
> humans start to fight back (i.e. SHADO), the aliens change their tactics
to
> meet the change in US. Their need for survival hasn't changed. They simply
> have to go about things differently.
>
> Also, if their own ecology was seriously damaged, they might be interested
> in what we are doing here to clean up our own messes. Scientific research
> done by us might be applicable to their situation in some ways. But,
because
> they consider humans beneath them, they are not willing to place
themselves
> in the position of supplication to peaceably acquire what we have by
making decide
> against interfering. At any rate, I see the UFO aliens as takers who
really since
> its first screening on British TV, way back when!!!! I have to say I was
> very young then, and didn't really appreciate it, infact I could honestly
say
> it scared the wits out of me! Now, however, I enjoy collecting videos and
> enjoy them a lot more. I only found out about this group after purchasing
my
> first computer last year. I started collecting more videos in the
auctions,
> and then thought.....I wonder, if there is a fan club of sorts?......and
> there it was! I am very impressed with the websites, good fun going
through
> everything, and I particularly enjoyed downloading a few pictures of my
> favourite character.....my crush on Colonel Foster remains the same! It's
> those sideburns!!!!
> I am not sure if I can offer the in-depth views that you all express over
the
> group e-mail, but I read them with interest, and I hope that I might make
> some valuable contribution at some point!
> Until that auspicious moment.... I will continue to read and take
interest. over
> the
> >
> > group e-mail, but I read them with interest, and I hope that I might
make
> > some valuable contribution at some point!
> You don't have to be a rocket scientist like Marc, our "commander" to
> contribute, we play here on occasion as well as giving analysis, however I
> must warn you you'll have to deal with Yuchtar concerning the crush on
> Colonel Foster (vbg) At least it's not *another* Ed Bishop adoring
person... (g)
> Another possibility is direct-to-video, although that wouldn't necessarily
> lead to a series.
>
> God. I do not want to see any actors and actresses who haven't even gotten
> through puberty, but still are big money makers show up in this movie
merely job!
> I have to agree with you on Mike Billington/Col. Foster - eye candy for
> sure! Ed B., Gary Myers and Peter Gordeno weren't too hard to look at
> either, har har!
>
> If you've been plugged into the site for a bit, you've no doubt glommed
onto
> the postings about UFO2 and the fact a movie and/or miniseries may be
coming and
> scroll down, you'' find Mike Billington's web site - drop him an e-mail!
Pam certainly
> not. But, there are good viewer draws such as Alec Baldwin or one of the
> Bridges brothers, who can lend their names to such a project. Their
> reputations as solid performers are strong. As for music, well, there are
> plenty of good composers who've written for s-f before (Jerry Goldsmith
for
> instance). Bringing UFO up to speed in the new millennium doesn't mean
they
> have to sully it with the wrong people. I certainly don't think Mr. Moffat
&
> Company are going to ruin their own credibility in the s-f movie game by
> catering to the teenie boppers exclusively. If they are trying to appeal
to
> an adult audience with UFO2, then they will choose accordingly.
>
> Recent films such as "Mission: Impossible", "Charlie's Angels" (which I
> studiously avoided), etc do not in my mind constitute re-makes. What they
do
> is take the original premise, and strip it of everything that made the
> original popular, and re-mold it to satisfy the 15-22 age group. If Mr.
> Moffat is enlisting the assistance of GA and EB, then I don't think that
is
> his game plan. I'm speculating wildly here of course! But, the above
> mentioned movies were not particularly popular with the original age group
> which watched them on TV - so what does that tell you? Of those folks I
know
> who saw MI or MI2, immense disappointment was the watchword.
>
> Let's hope, after years of hoping, that when UFO2 makes it to the public,
> they will have found a way to preserve the flavour of the original and
make
> the changes necessary to help it appeal to an even wider audience. I'm not
> saying they should sell out to do this - just make those changes with
> caution. And, much as I hate to say this - move the story out of Britain
and
> make it more "global" in the sense that elements of the storyline are
> occurring all over the world. I have often wondered if UFO's British
locale
> impeded some of its popularity. Certainly, today, the story would
encompass idea
> or a different angle to encourage new viewers. The younger generation, Oh
> how old I sound! are used to so many special effects and computer
generated
> images and quite complicated story lines, that it would need some good
ideas
> to capture new fans. Personally, I would still be a fan if they kept the
> same content. I think many sci-fi series flop in Britain due to the fact
we
> seem to be very critical! It always seems it has to be bigger and better
and
> there is more emphasise placed on special effects than on the standard of
the
> whole thing.
> I hope that the UFO 2 gets off the ground and receives the same support
from
> old and new fans that the original series did and still does.
> Re: my crush on Colonel Foster, I really love the photo of him in the
sauna [hidden email]
> writes:
>
> > Bringing UFO up to speed in the new millennium doesn't mean they
> > have to sully it with the wrong people. I certainly don't think Mr.
Moffat
> &
> > Company are going to ruin their own credibility in the s-f movie game
by
> > catering to the teenie boppers exclusively. If they are trying to
appeal to
> > an adult audience with UFO2, then they will choose accordingly.
>
>
> Yes but movies are made to make money for the most part. The people on
this
> list are here because they love UFO, the "connoisseurs" to use Ed Bishop's
> comment. So we'll be the main audience, naturally. I'm afraid that
> everything is targeted toward particular groups, films, television series,
> all with the eye of making a profit. Not that there's anything wrong with
> that, but everything is money, ratings, marketing, consumer groups. And
right
> now Hollywood's output is pretty much aimed toward youth. Which makes me
fear
> that Britney Spears will wind up as Nina , and Puffy Combs will be Mark,
and
> Marshall Mathers will be Straker's son (vbg) It all depends on how much
clout
> Phillip will have, and I'm glad the movie will supposedly be made in
> England....(vbg) He may not have to deal with many moguls. Come to think
of
> it maybe Phillip could approach Harlington-Straker Studios to do the
film.... certainly they do
> > is take the original premise, and strip it of everything that made the
> > original popular, and re-mold it to satisfy the 15-22 age group.
>
>
> But if it DOES happen, see above ..
>
> > Moffat is enlisting the assistance of GA and EB, then I don't think that
is
> > his game plan. I'm speculating wildly here of course! But, the above
> > mentioned movies were not particularly popular with the original age
group
> > which watched them on TV - so what does that tell you? Of those folks I
know March. However
> getting to meet Sylvia is going to be so cool! I wonder if Gerry and /or
Mr. Mr. want
> to see you again.."
>
> That must be difficult for people like my friend Ed Bishop, who always
held
> both of them in equal esteem. I remember on the clip that our friend Rob
so
> graciously provided us (hi Rob! ) that the breakup was discussed.
>
> Christian, Commander Straker's car number is indeed A 21 384. You were
right.
> I hope Straker had the car insured .....sure explains the reaction..do a
> good deed, lend somebody a car, and they destroy it. Sad. (vbg) Yeah,
Straker
> loved that car....
>
> Marc, you might want to update your page that tells about this list when
you

>I live in the uk............how can I pay for this soundtrack in
>£££££££s????

You'll really need to discuss that with the person who sells them.
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