Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - nowhere, man!
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The Wave recast resin SkyDiver model!
Pay attention! :) >From: cv <[hidden email]> >Reply-To: [hidden email] >To: <[hidden email]> >Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - nowhere, >man! >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 01:00:31 +1200 > > > > > Uhmm, yeah... anyway - about that SkyDiver model. > > :) > > Thats is exackery what i thought. > :-> >What skydiver model? > > > > >> From: [hidden email] > >> Reply-To: [hidden email] > >> To: [hidden email] > >> Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - >nowhere, > >> man! > >> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:12:45 EDT > >> > >> Phil Merkel wrote: > >> > >>> I' m not perfectly up on my UFO lore but was Ed deep in SHADO BEFORE >he > >> married her OR was he married and then because chief of SHADO?< > >> > >>> Because if he was on the fast track to SHADO commander and went ahead >and > >> married her he's as much to blame as she was for what happened.< > >> > >> It seems to me that everyone is caught in in what is so wrong now > >> days > >> as we try to find someone to blame when things go terrible wrong. >Everyone > >> want to blame someone else. In truth everyone is a little bit >responsible. > >> > >> Straker in his not tell Mary. He didn't have to break security just > >> tell > >> her that his new job will be a lot like his old one in that it will > >> require > >> long hours and meetings with many people when he would like to be with >her. > >> Mary for being too simple to see that a career Air Force Officer in > >> Intelligence does not leave that career and suddenly become the >co-owner > >> of > >> a movie studio on a Colonels paycheck. Anyone with any reasoning >could > >> figure out that it was a cover story for someone still in the >intelligence > >> field. Not exactly on the mark but close enough to prevent what >happened. > >> Mary's Mother for hiring what has to be the worst P.I in the business. > >> He gets pictures of Straker and Nina Barry in a car together and going >into > >> a > >> flat and tells his client they are doing the deed with no proof. > >> Now as to Straker using the SHADO aircraft to transport the drug > >> needed > >> to keep his son alive what father wouldn't. But also you have to think > >> yeah > >> but he let Freeman redirect it and made it too late to save his son's >life. > >> Did you know that during the second world war that during the battle of > >> Midway that the son of the President was shot down and lost at sea. >He > >> could have ordered the Admiral in charge to break off the attack and >find > >> his > >> son but he did not. There is a quote by somebody that goes " There are > >> times > >> that try mens souls..." this must have been one of them for FDR and >in > >> the > >> series for Straker balancing their love of their sons against the fate >of > >> the world. In each case the right chose was made the fate of one loved >one > >> against the fate of many strangers or perhaps I should say that the >choose > >> was made three times. The first time was on a hill 2000 years ago. > >> Look not at Straker and the others to find them wanting but look > >> to > >> yourselves and see if you have what it takes. > >> > >> James Killian > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. |
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> The Wave recast resin SkyDiver model! > Pay attention! :) >>> Uhmm, yeah... anyway - about that SkyDiver model. >>> :) >> >> Thats is exackery what i thought. >> :-> >> What skydiver model? >> roger that... one SkyDiver recast resin model i WOULD like to see is Georgina Moon in string vest of course. :-) |
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> > I don't believe that Straker sacrificed his son at all. > > Freeman diverted the transport plane carrying the medicine. > > Straker didn't know this - probably until it was too late. > > > that was how i saw it as well initially but when i looked up the oxford > definition the word sacrificed was not far wrong.And as i also said to > Amelia, Straker parallels the biblical deity by sacrificing his son as > well. There is not much more one could give for the cause. > I think we're talking at cross purposes here - what I'm saying is - I don't think Straker intends for his son to die at all. Freeman diverts the plane, not Straker. James |
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>>> I don't believe that Straker sacrificed his son at all. >>> Freeman diverted the transport plane carrying the medicine. >>> Straker didn't know this - probably until it was too late. >>> >> that was how i saw it as well initially but when i looked up the oxford >> definition the word sacrificed was not far wrong.And as i also said to >> Amelia, Straker parallels the biblical deity by sacrificing his son as >> well. There is not much more one could give for the cause. >> > > I think we're talking at cross purposes here - what I'm saying > is - I don't think Straker intends for his son to die at all. > Freeman diverts the plane, not Straker. Yes, I understood your meaning more clearly when I re-read your above post and from what you say it seems as if Straker believed his actions had saved his son. A crack in Strakers omniscience? Then Freeman does a Judas and betrays his leader by diverting the plane. But all through the ep the idea that Straker considers his wife & Son as expendable is apparent. christo. |
Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - nowhere, man!
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"Anny Theberge" wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Gibbon" <[hidden email]> > > > > > > Thanks dear, but it's clear from CCAOK that Straker is still > > outwardly a serving USAF intelligence officer at the time Mary > > leaves him. > > Clear? > James, dear... <smirk> > When was the last time you watched that ep?! Yesterday, Anny ma chere. I will watch it again, apologies if I've made a mistake. But the episode is full of flashbacks so.. Anyway if Straker IS head of a film studio by the time Mary leaves him then I must say it's lamentable that an ostensible huge career change for one of the central characters is glossed over like that. |
Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - nowhere, man!
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> > > The Wave recast resin SkyDiver model! > > Pay attention! :) > > >>> Uhmm, yeah... anyway - about that SkyDiver model. > >>> :) > >> > >> Thats is exackery what i thought. > >> :-> > >> What skydiver model? > >> > roger that... one SkyDiver recast resin model i WOULD like to see is > Georgina Moon in string vest of course. :-) You can still get the original of that kit from Comet Miniatures. Guys, as a forme maker of resin kits, I have to smile that you got crap castings from a recaster... recasters are killing teh model kit hobby by ripping off the works of legitimate producers... you may say that this kit has been unavailable for years, so no one is hurt by the recasting, but there are several other prodicers that have Skydiver kits out that you didn't buy because you thought you were getting a deal from RC Robert... Monsters in Motion has a nice large resin Skydiver that you could have had assembled in a few hours without all the headaches you guys have experienced because they do fairly nice castings. Not chastising anyone for owning a recast, really... even I bought a few before I realized that the recasters were killing off the more legitimate (ones who comission and pay sculptors and pattern makers) companies... just trying to give anyone else who might want a large Skydiver model a heads up. Try www.monstersinmotion.com to see their kit. AT |
Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - nowhere, man!
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At 09:59 AM 7/3/01 -0600, you wrote:
>cv wrote: >> >> > The Wave recast resin SkyDiver model! >> > Pay attention! :) >> >> >>> Uhmm, yeah... anyway - about that SkyDiver model. >> >>> :) >> >> >> >> Thats is exackery what i thought. >> >> :-> >> >> What skydiver model? >> >> >> roger that... one SkyDiver recast resin model i WOULD like to see is >> Georgina Moon in string vest of course. :-) > >You can still get the original of that kit from Comet Miniatures. Guys, >as a forme maker of resin kits, I have to smile that you got crap >castings from a recaster... recasters are killing teh model kit hobby by >ripping off the works of legitimate producers... you may say that this >kit has been unavailable for years, so no one is hurt by the recasting, >but there are several other prodicers that have Skydiver kits out that >you didn't buy because you thought you were getting a deal from RC >Robert... Monsters in Motion has a nice large resin Skydiver that you >could have had assembled in a few hours without all the headaches you >guys have experienced because they do fairly nice castings. >Not chastising anyone for owning a recast, really... even I bought a few >before I realized that the recasters were killing off the more >legitimate (ones who comission and pay sculptors and pattern makers) >companies... just trying to give anyone else who might want a large >Skydiver model a heads up. >Try www.monstersinmotion.com to see their kit. That's all well and good, but my kit *was* from Monsters in Motion!!! There was a space traveler named Wright Who liked to go faster than light He started one day In a relative way And came back the previous night! Dave Walsh Harlington-Straker Sound Productions [hidden email] http://members.home.net/darqnyt/index.html |
Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - nowhere, man!
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I promise to proof for typos before I send anything else to the list. LOL.
AT "A.Taylor" wrote: > > cv wrote: > > > > > The Wave recast resin SkyDiver model! > > > Pay attention! :) > > > > >>> Uhmm, yeah... anyway - about that SkyDiver model. > > >>> :) > > >> > > >> Thats is exackery what i thought. > > >> :-> > > >> What skydiver model? > > >> > > roger that... one SkyDiver recast resin model i WOULD like to see is > > Georgina Moon in string vest of course. :-) > > You can still get the original of that kit from Comet Miniatures. Guys, > as a forme maker of resin kits, I have to smile that you got crap > castings from a recaster... recasters are killing teh model kit hobby by > ripping off the works of legitimate producers... you may say that this > kit has been unavailable for years, so no one is hurt by the recasting, > but there are several other prodicers that have Skydiver kits out that > you didn't buy because you thought you were getting a deal from RC > Robert... Monsters in Motion has a nice large resin Skydiver that you > could have had assembled in a few hours without all the headaches you > guys have experienced because they do fairly nice castings. > Not chastising anyone for owning a recast, really... even I bought a few > before I realized that the recasters were killing off the more > legitimate (ones who comission and pay sculptors and pattern makers) > companies... just trying to give anyone else who might want a large > Skydiver model a heads up. > Try www.monstersinmotion.com to see their kit. > AT > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
Re: Mary's place in the scheme of things - nowhere, man!
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Dave Walsh wrote:
> > That's all well and good, but my kit *was* from Monsters in Motion!!! LMAO. Shutting up now! ;) AT |
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cv wrote:
> Yes, I understood your meaning more clearly when I re-read > your above post and from what you say it seems as if Straker > believed his actions had saved his son. I think that's right - up until the point where Freeman tells him that he's diverted the plane. > A crack in Strakers omniscience? Then Freeman does a Judas and > betrays his leader by diverting the plane. But all through > the ep the idea that Straker considers his wife & Son as > expendable is apparent. > Well I think you're stretching the religious metaphor a bit too far by comparing Alec Freeman to Judas .. :) Freeman has no idea that Straker has medical supplies for his son on board the aircraft when he diverts it. I don't personally think that Straker considers his wife or child to be expendable at all. I'm not sure that he even considers his marriage to be expendable either - remember that he seems desperate for Mary to stay in the scene where she leaves him. He simply has no choice. And he even considers compromising security to tell her about SHADO in order to save his marriage at one point. Freeman talks him out of it, so he doesn't - but again that's for her sake, not for the sake of SHADO security - because as Freeman points out, her life would be in danger. James |
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>> A crack in Strakers omniscience? Then Freeman does a Judas and >> betrays his leader by diverting the plane. But all through >> the ep the idea that Straker considers his wife & Son as >> expendable is apparent. >> > > Well I think you're stretching the religious metaphor a bit > too far by comparing Alec Freeman to Judas .. :) you are correct,i should have added the :-) Unconsciously Alec wants Ed all to himself. In a virile way of course. :-) > I don't personally think that Straker considers his wife or > child to be expendable at all. I'm not sure that he even > considers his marriage to be expendable either Ed must have agonised with himself but finally decided that he could live without a Mary but not without SHADO. For the sake of a tv series anyway. She seemed a little insecure to me, where were her friends and support networks in the difficult times. Who would blame him for bouncing her into touch? All that 'whineing.' You know, this is why i love the series, because its characters offer so many variables in an attempt to understand their motivations. christo |
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> << > Straker didn't know this - probably until it was too late. >> > However, Straker could have sent the transporter back on course. Alec made > the decision, but Ed didn't stop it. In my story Choices I took a stab at how > both men reacted when Alec found out what he'd done. And the drug, even if it > *had* gotten there, was no guarantee that John would live. > Yes, i said to James that it was the variables in character that the leads have was why i liked the show so much. Ed certainly had choices and made them fully conscious of their impact on his family. Is this ep trying to show us that Straker is capable of anything for the greatest good for the greatest number? His family made him vulnerable, by eliminating them that problem is solved. I must check out 'Choices.' christo |
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Hi Anthony,
Having been in the resin kit hobby as well as ardent UFO fan for a number of years, I was aware of only a few SkyDiver kits available - one made by Imai and VERY rare (and probably inaccurate like the Sky One kit) and the other by WAVE - which I know is long out of production. I know that MIM have a kit - but I thought that that might be a recast as well, and there's no price listed next to it on their website. I've also searched Comet's site for a SkyDiver - zilch. This is not justification for buying a recast (I'm a Gremlin too buddy!), but what I saw as the only way to acquire an out of production model, knowing that it was a recast with it's associated problems of bad castings/no decals etc as well as the incumbent ethics. The kit cost me US$89.00 including shipping from the US to Australia which I believe does not constitute a cheap kit by any means - especially considering our dollar is worth approximately half of yours. It may cost me half as much again by the time I can buy or produce decals (LetraSet don't do Microgramma Bold Extended any more! Aaaaaaargh!) Either way, recast or not, it's a SkyDiver - which is all I ever wanted. Cheers, Bruce >From: "A.Taylor" <[hidden email]> >You can still get the original of that kit from Comet Miniatures. Guys, >as a forme maker of resin kits, I have to smile that you got crap >castings from a recaster... recasters are killing teh model kit hobby by >ripping off the works of legitimate producers... you may say that this >kit has been unavailable for years, so no one is hurt by the recasting, >but there are several other prodicers that have Skydiver kits out that >you didn't buy because you thought you were getting a deal from RC >Robert... Monsters in Motion has a nice large resin Skydiver that you >could have had assembled in a few hours without all the headaches you >guys have experienced because they do fairly nice castings. >Not chastising anyone for owning a recast, really... even I bought a few >before I realized that the recasters were killing off the more >legitimate (ones who comission and pay sculptors and pattern makers) >companies... just trying to give anyone else who might want a large >Skydiver model a heads up. >Try www.monstersinmotion.com to see their kit. >AT > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. |
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>That's all well and good, but my kit *was* from Monsters in Motion<
Perhaps its bad Karma, David. Regards, James K. |
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cv wrote:
> Ed must have agonised with himself but finally decided that he > could live without a Mary but not without SHADO. For the sake > of a tv series anyway. She seemed a little insecure to me, > where were her friends and support networks in the difficult > times. Who would blame him for bouncing her into touch? All > that 'whineing.' > Well, she does whine a lot, that's true - but it's Mary who bounces Straker into touch, not the other way round. Straker doesn't decide that he can 'live without Mary but not without SHADO'. It's Mary who makes that decision, albeit based on a false premise. It looks to me as if Straker would do anything to keep her, but she won't let him. |
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Christo wrote:
<snip> > much sci fi gets a lot of its inspiration scripturally. Is Ed Straker god > and Alec and Paul the son and holy spirit (Alec does drink a lot of it) Alec's more a "doubting Thomas" type, altho you've got a point about the spirit part. What about the "good doctor"- maybe he's the Judas figure, off bleating his treason to the fat Roman govenor Pontius Pilate a.k.a Gen Henderson! (BTW I saw Vladek in "Kelly's Heroes" a 70's movie, for about 5 seconds the other day- he played a convincing nasty Nazi). > all of those beautifull girls his angels, Arc angels Virginia, Lake Lt > Ellis? and they in a fight to preserve creation from darker forces . Yes, Ellis is definietly in the angel category, altho seeing her recent photos at the con she looks a bit "fallen" now ;-) John D'Alton |
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>> all of those beautifull girls his angels, Arc angels Virginia, Lake Lt >> Ellis? and they in a fight to preserve creation from darker forces . > > Yes, Ellis is definietly in the angel category, altho seeing her recent > photos at the con she looks a bit "fallen" now ;-) > she was such a honey then that i am afraid to look at the 'now' version. It'll happen to us all one day, if it hasn't already <sigh>. Christ |
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Where in Kelly's Heroes does Vladek make his short appearance?
Thanks, Ty --- In SHADO@y..., "John D'Alton" <jdalton@f...> wrote: > Christo wrote: > <snip> > > much sci fi gets a lot of its inspiration scripturally. Is Ed Straker god > > and Alec and Paul the son and holy spirit (Alec does drink a lot of it) > > Alec's more a "doubting Thomas" type, altho you've got a point about the > spirit part. > > What about the "good doctor"- maybe he's the Judas figure, off bleating his > treason to the fat Roman govenor Pontius Pilate a.k.a Gen Henderson! > > (BTW I saw Vladek in "Kelly's Heroes" a 70's movie, for about 5 seconds the > other day- he played a convincing nasty Nazi). > > > all of those beautifull girls his angels, Arc angels Virginia, Lake Lt > > Ellis? and they in a fight to preserve creation from darker forces . > > Yes, Ellis is definietly in the angel category, altho seeing her recent > photos at the con she looks a bit "fallen" now ;-) > > John D'Alton |
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--- In SHADO@y..., cv <cvandie@x> wrote:
> > Yes, Ellis is definietly in the angel category, altho seeing her recent > > photos at the con she looks a bit "fallen" now ;-) > > > she was such a honey then that i am afraid to look at the 'now' version. > It'll happen to us all one day, if it hasn't already <sigh>. > Christo Sorry guys, but allowing for the fact that it's been 30 years since the series was made, I think Gabrielle still looks pretty damned good ! Andy |
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