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Actually in regards to that type of voilence the new BSG is not that Bloody,
but yes they have removed the more fanciful aspects of wounds that there is minimal blood or anything like that. It is more real so to speak... I blogged a while back about the change of Sci-Fi these days as it seems to becoming more main stream. Instead of blasters we have guns and such. The Vipers in BSG are far more manueverable then from the BSG back in the seventy's, and this was addressed cause Sci-fi fans demanded such change in things like space combat. On 7/18/07, Hemmings, R.K. <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hi Rainer, > > I don't think I've seen the 70s version of BG for > *many* years, so perhaps being a little unfair. > I did see one of the 80s ones recently and agree - > absolute trash! Yes, much modern stuff contains > a lot of violence, which I find unnecessary at best. > I still have imagination, so don't actually need > to see heads being chopped off etc. Films in > particular seem to be getting worse in this respect, > rather than better. > > Regards (and a belated Welcome! :) > -- > Rob > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [hidden email] <SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > [hidden email] <SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >Behalf Of Rainer Resel > >Sent: 18 July 2007 15:28 > >To: [hidden email] <SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [SHADO] UFO remake > > > >In my opinion the "new" Galactica cannot reach the magic of > >the old one feat. such great actors like Lorne Greene or James > >Colicos. I always liked Battlestar Galactica and I was very > >happy when I read that they'd renew the series but when I saw > >the MiniSeries on TV I was disappointed because of so much > >violence. Battlestar Galactica lost its charm! I'm sorry but > >this renewal is too violent for me. Let me tell you my fab sci > >fi-series: > > > > 1) UFO > > 2) Battlestar Galactica (from the 1970ies, the 1980ies > >version was also bullshit) > > 3) Space:1999 > > > > Cheers: Rainer > > > >"Hemmings, R.K." <[hidden email] <rkh%40le.ac.uk>> schrieb: > > Same here. It's not a series for watching just the > >occasional episode though - you do need to follow it. > >In that way, it's similar to Babylon 5, which I also > >loved. UFO is quite different in this respect - each > >episode can be watched as a one-off. > > > >My top 3 TV SF series of all time: > >1, UFO > >2, Galactica (*only* the new version) > >3, Babylon 5 > > > >Cheers, > >-- > >Rob > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [hidden email] <SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > [hidden email] <SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>] On > >>Behalf Of davrecon > >>Sent: 16 July 2007 17:15 > >>To: [hidden email] <SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> > >>Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO remake > >> > >> > >>Sorry, but I for one think the new BG is awesome.... > >>Dave H. > >> > >> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Paul Bowers > >> To: [hidden email] <SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:47 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO remake > >> > >> > >> Pamela McCaughey wrote: > >> > >> > To tell the truth, I hated the old and the new BG. > >> > >> <rant snipped> > >> > >> I'm not so sure Pam. That shaky-cam "realistic" POV was sooo > >>cool with > >> BG. I mean, it MUST be cool since it seems to be so > >>pervasive these days. > >> > >> Actually, it looks like some producers have a grudge against > >>Stedicam > >> and are refusing to use their technology. Or they're using > >> rapidly-moving camera shots to cover-up for crappy SFX. > >> > >> More likely is that they've (the marketdroids backed-up by dubious > >> social scientists) figured-out that jerky camera action > >>causes eyeballs > >> to pay more attention. > >> > >> I watched BG for awhile and just gave up after two or three episodes. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Wissenswertes für Bastler und Hobby Handwerker.BE A BETTER HEIMWERKER! > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- The fears, prejudices and limitations that we impose on ourselves must someday pass, because they are not as real as hope, tolerance and possibility. - Gene Roddenberry, Creator of "Star Trek" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In reply to this post by davrecon-3
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:57:58 -0400
"davrecon" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > UFO is still my favorite sci-fi series of all time, even though as an > adult now I find it so full of bad acting and outrageous flaws. > Same here! Terrible holes in the scripts, acting more wooden than a Stingray puppet, loads of inconsistencies and lazy script-writing. Still the best telly series ever, though :D James |
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In reply to this post by davrecon-3
Hi guys - I agree UFO eps can be watched independently if each other and
perhaps that is why BG didn't do much for me - as you pointed out - it had to be watched with no eps missed. I didn't watch B5 all the time - the longest time I watched was when Walter Koenig (Chekhov from TOS) was on playing Bester the nasty psi-cop. In general tho I found B5 easier on my head than BG. Altho I must the new BG was actually seemingly relevant which the original BG was not. The original was rather silly. My top SF TV shows are: 1) TOS 2) UFO 3) Stargate the series 4) The Invaders Pam the Canuck P.S. Dark Skies from the 1990's wasn't bad at all, but it too was one of those shows you had to see every single week and the channel it was broadcast on kept shifting it around notoriously for *&^%$#@! sporting events so that I kept missing every second eps.... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In reply to this post by James Gibbon
Dear James and Dave - I have to agree the UFO writers were anything BUT
consistant in terms of canon et al. Some of the acting may not be the best, but I have to say some of it was very well done. It does date a bit with the purple wigs etc, but in general I felt the premise interesting and since I've written over 30 UFO fan fic stories I must like it for some reason! Pam the Canuck |
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In reply to this post by Rainer Resel
In fairness to Rainer, Lorne Greene and John Colicos (both Canucks like me)
were great actors. Colicos was THE first Klingon to appear in an eps on TOS as well! So SF was not outside his work! It's just that at the time the original BG made its appearance, it was hot on the heels of Star Wars, and many (including George Lucas) saw the BG feature film (which led to the series on TV) as a cheap knock-off attempt to cash in on the big SF movie dollars generated by SW. There were, like UFO, cases of poor writing, poor acting, and awful characterizations, that lowered the standard of the original BG. I will say this: the music from the original BG was awesome. Pam the Canuck |
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In reply to this post by Pam McCaughey-2
Pamela McCaughey wrote:
> > Dear James and Dave - I have to agree the UFO writers were anything BUT > consistant in terms of canon et al. Some of the acting may not be the > best, > but I have to say some of it was very well done. It does date a bit > with the > purple wigs etc, but in general I felt the premise interesting and since > I've written over 30 UFO fan fic stories I must like it for some reason! > > . > After Looking at the Whole series again Years later after seeing it here in New Zealand, and Viewing other old Tv shows like BSG, Thunderbirds Dr Who, A Team. Get Smart etc. Compared to Today all of them Were a bit Cheesy, It must have been the attitudes of the period Compared to Today. But Good old British TV was at Its infancy. If you take a Look at some of the old DR Who Episodes, where the storylines where top notch.the acting was Good, But as with most BBC scifi on a very low budget. ( much like Star trek TOS). So this seemed to Reflected in the Sets, But I think Scifi has Grown up and Since has gain popularity has sort of matured. Old Series like UFO had Great stories and the Ideas were Great, But was let down with poor Acting, primitive sets, (although the models were top notch) and Low budgets. Now I Just Recently Saw the New Transformers Movie, and I loved it. It great the old TV show a great Revamp. and with Todays Movie CGI computer graphics Anything is Possible. Grant |
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Dear Grant - I'd really LIKE to see the Transformers movie - it looks great and I think it will have more "edge" since its aimed at adults who USED to watch the cartoon, and not at today's children. I have to agree that alot of 1960's and 70's SF did look a bit 'cheesy' at times (in terms of sets, hardware, et al) but I think it was more the ideas behind the shows that caught our attention, not to mention cool stuff and intrepid heroes and heroines. IF, and that's a big IF, UFO was approached the same way, aimed at those of us who loved it, and at least made mention at least once of Ed Straker and tried to keep some of the best stuff from the original, maybe I could see it being done as a so-called re-make. I just don't want it to go down the crapper like the recent remake of The Thunderbirds. Aim it at those who REMEMBER the show - our age group and it just could be successful! Pam the Canuck.
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In reply to this post by James Gibbon
Just goes to show that nothing needs to be perfect to be - well - perfect! [:)] It is still the best TV series ever - in my very humble opinion, that is ... [:">] Sarah --- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <jg@...> wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:57:58 -0400 > "davrecon" davrecon@... wrote: > > > > > UFO is still my favorite sci-fi series of all time, even though as an > > adult now I find it so full of bad acting and outrageous flaws. > > > > Same here! Terrible holes in the scripts, acting more wooden than a > Stingray puppet, loads of inconsistencies and lazy script-writing. > > Still the best telly series ever, though :D > > James > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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UFO the best TV show ever? I can't subscribe to that but UFO the best "concept for a TV show ever"?....Maybe. I see all the shows faults but I have to say that the acting wasn't all that bad. I think the fault was in the scripts. The dialogue was just plain cliché & formulaic. However I'll give the Andersons a pass on that as this was their first foray into live action. But the idea itself was brilliant. I've read everyone's comments on how the show looks dated by today's standards with the special effects on par with Japan's Toho studios of the same era but I have to admit the central plot of UFO is incredible. I don't understand how some current producer can't see that. It really doesn't have to appeal just to us fans of the show. The idea is great; a super secret organization using way cool equipment (Skydiver, the interceptors and the mobiles) to defend the Earth against hostile aliens. I mean come on! That's a great idea that would appeal to a whole range of Sci-Fi fans not just us select few. I read earlier in the group archives about how someone was apparently trying to get a new UFO series going but it went nowhere too bad the concept looked fabulous with SHADO as a world wide organization now recruiting & developing personnel from within its own ranks. Some of you have said that it wouldn't be the same and you're right. But, as others have correctly pointed out with Battlestar Galactica, that sometimes an original can be improved upon. BG is the best show on TY today IMO. And yes the Thunderbirds movie was a bit on the corny side but it too wasn't horrible and more realistic than puppets you have to admit. Would UFO be the same without Ed Bishop?...No of course not but it could be even better. Yet again it might not be but I have to think it would worth a try. How often does a concept like this come along? Just my two cents for what it's worth Have a great day all Jim |
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Speaking of a Remake, Now would a new Updated UFO be? More darker then
the Original ( like the New BSG and Batman) or about the same. Although the original Series was Something Totally different than any series at the time and More Along the psychological side ( a war of Minds as one episode put it.). Grant |
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Grant thomas wrote:
> Speaking of a Remake, Now would a new Updated UFO be? More darker then > the Original ( like the New BSG and Batman) or about the same. Although > the original Series was Something Totally different than any series at > the time and More Along the psychological side ( a war of Minds as one > episode put it.). Yes, much darker. Most of the setup would be cliche now though, and massaged by studio marketing execs: - kids with "special powers" are SHADO operatives. And a dog. - mandatory love interest for two main characters, but they can never consummate the relationship due to hook-of-the-week - the original show was only TV, but now...it's real! - UFOs have been attacking China but we don't know about it - Alien in-breeding since the 70s - parental "see, I told you so" - an internet list's members are recruited to SHADO - good aliens come to earth and help us, but alien teens become disruptive with loud motorcycles - Aliens attack Russia, try to resurrect communism as a cover - _________________________________ A "war of the minds" doesn't necessarily make for good visuals unless you have a giant flying brain with teeth that munches on people. Wait, that's been done already. It'd have to be a mini-series and done in/funded by Canada because Hollywood would need big stars and a 6 bizgillion dollar budget - UFO's not like that. There's a huge ex-military hangar in St. Hubert, Quebec (just across the river from Montreal) that is typically used for movies (Canada's defence forces have moved, uh, elsewhere). In case some are unaware, a lot of science fiction TV is produced in Canada. We have federal and provincially-funded programs to encourage film making and will often partner with similar French and British efforts. I think I've mentioned this before. Paul Calgary |
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Paul Bowers wrote:
> > > > Yes, much darker. > > Most of the setup would be cliche now though, and massaged by studio > marketing execs: > > - kids with "special powers" are SHADO operatives. And a dog. > - mandatory love interest for two main characters, but they can never > consummate the relationship due to hook-of-the-week > - the original show was only TV, but now...it's real! > - UFOs have been attacking China but we don't know about it > - Alien in-breeding since the 70s > - parental "see, I told you so" > - an internet list's members are recruited to SHADO > - good aliens come to earth and help us, but alien teens become > disruptive with loud motorcycles > - Aliens attack Russia, try to resurrect communism as a cover > - _________________________________ > > A "war of the minds" doesn't necessarily make for good visuals unless > you have a giant flying brain with teeth that munches on people. Wait, > that's been done already. > > It'd have to be a mini-series and done in/funded by Canada because > Hollywood would need big stars and a 6 bizgillion dollar budget - UFO's > not like that. There's a huge ex-military hangar in St. Hubert, Quebec > (just across the river from Montreal) that is typically used for movies > (Canada's defence forces have moved, uh, elsewhere). > > In case some are unaware, a lot of science fiction TV is produced in > Canada. We have federal and provincially-funded programs to encourage > film making and will often partner with similar French and British > efforts. I think I've mentioned this before. > > . > > __,_._, Yes a Much darker Series would Do Great I would think. and Yes I Do know that a lot of Scifi shows or dramas Do come from Canada and they are some of the best in the world. Like Lexx, which was a Combination of German/ English Canadian. perhaps Someone should start Fund raising for a remake.! I Can only suggest Peter Jackson, (since I live here in New Zealand), But I'm sure he would demand a High Fee Now. As along as we don't go down the Thunderbirds remake road. I think Most people These days are after Action, But if it is to Be a Mini series, the BSG or the Dune Mini series is the way to Go. Not a One off Movie, or Several like Star Trek. Perhaps we should have a Plot similar to what I outline a few Months ago, An updated Shado say 10-20 years from Now, With New characters or perhaps descendants of the original characters. But Much on the same Route as the aliens are behind these UFO sightings (?). A Multi national organization Mmmmm This has Got me thinking of lots of Ideas. Grant > ___ |
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we are all descended from alien life ., you ought to know this,,, ho. ho.aul Bowers <[hidden email]> wrote: Grant thomas wrote:
> Speaking of a Remake, Now would a new Updated UFO be? More darker then > the Original ( like the New BSG and Batman) or about the same. Although > the original Series was Something Totally different than any series at > the time and More Along the psychological side ( a war of Minds as one > episode put it.). Yes, much darker. Most of the setup would be cliche now though, and massaged by studio marketing execs: - kids with "special powers" are SHADO operatives. And a dog. - mandatory love interest for two main characters, but they can never consummate the relationship due to hook-of-the-week - the original show was only TV, but now...it's real! - UFOs have been attacking China but we don't know about it - Alien in-breeding since the 70s - parental "see, I told you so" - an internet list's members are recruited to SHADO - good aliens come to earth and help us, but alien teens become disruptive with loud motorcycles - Aliens attack Russia, try to resurrect communism as a cover - _________________________________ A "war of the minds" doesn't necessarily make for good visuals unless you have a giant flying brain with teeth that munches on people. Wait, that's been done already. It'd have to be a mini-series and done in/funded by Canada because Hollywood would need big stars and a 6 bizgillion dollar budget - UFO's not like that. There's a huge ex-military hangar in St. Hubert, Quebec (just across the river from Montreal) that is typically used for movies (Canada's defence forces have moved, uh, elsewhere). In case some are unaware, a lot of science fiction TV is produced in Canada. We have federal and provincially-funded programs to encourage film making and will often partner with similar French and British efforts. I think I've mentioned this before. Paul Calgary --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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