Real life SHADO

--- In [hidden email], "davrecon" <davrecon@...> wrote:
Why Seagull X-Ray of course!

My point was I have seen these in magazines in the 60's and they may
have also been an influence on Derek/Mike. Also the Ultra Sabre had a
dorsal intake and a 3 engine development of the Vigilante had the 3rd
engine on top with similar intakes but this may not have been public
knowledge then.


good flow
> into the engines over the top of a wing, fuselage, or, especially a
> large delta wing can be rather tricky at the high angles of attack
> that most delta wing planes demand for take-off and landing, or
> severe maneuvering g-loads.

The Valkyrie design was optimised for compression lift and yes the
engines benefitted from where they were in the design but that
doesn't mean a different design couldn't have the engines elsewhere
and have compression lift (not that it ever happened). And upon re-
reading I find that the droop wings had more to do with directional
stability and allowing the upper fins to be smaller.

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> Also, I always found it amusing in the show how they dropped the
> nose in the middle of the flight while flying at high speed and
altitude.
> That's something only done during the landing phase to enhance
> visibility over the nose on approach (it also messes up the high
> speed aerodynamics).

I thought they had slowed down at that point to hide in the clouds?!

If you look at the pictures on cloudster.com I have just noticed that
the large model of the droop snoot section doesn't have the canards
on it but there appears to be a line where they should appear! Hmmm,
retractable canards? No, you can see them always out on the full
model.


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> My impression of SeaGull X-Ray was that it was a cross between the
> designs of the Concorde and and the MiG-25 Foxbat (tailfins). Also,
> they do need to move the main landing gear farther forward if they
> expect to rotate for liftoff....

Surely the canard would help the lift-off? Did't think the Foxbat
around/in the public knowledge then to have been an influence? Back
to the Vigilante the first mockup had twin fins - again not sure if
was public knowledge then...

I'm sure I've seen a picture of the Avro Arrow pinned to the wall in
a photo of the model workshops...

Regards,
Barry

--- In [hidden email], "davrecon" <davrecon@...> wrote: be doing flying like that.
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> Doesn't matter, during the Take-Off and Landing phases it will have
> a very high angle of attack, thus the importance.

The canard may disrupt the airflow to those engines on Seagull as
well.
 
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> <.....
> ....Until a bullet/laser penetrates the wall of the escape
> capsule.... shredding the spacesuit and the pilot at the same time
with
> the shrapnel/molten metal that would be entering the confined
> space... 8-0
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> Yeah, but I think pilot's would rather have that extra layer of
protection.
> Space suits also allow you to survive slow leaks, hard landings, and
> other unforeseen incidents that might ruin your day.... ;-)
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How would a spacesuit help you survive a hard landing? I can't see it
cushioning you?! Perhaps they need airbags installed or that foam
like in "Demolition Man"!

I think jumping into a spacesuit would cut into Alert to Takeoff time
might be the simple answer here...

Regards,
Barry

ps if you like exotic aircraft perhaps you might want to have a look
at this website that I belong to.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php

You'll need to register though to see the pictures...