Review for UFO: How it Ended (parts 1 and 2) by Anthony Appleyard

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Hofstede
"Countdown to TV Action" by Steve Holland (Bear Alley Books* 2014) gives a full background to the beginnings of the comic. Dennis Hooper had been art editor of TV21 and was hired by Polystyle to put together the new comic after Polystyle acquired the rights to the Gerry Anderson shows from Century 21 Merchandising. Whereas TV21 had been co-published by a direct subsidiary of Century 21, and had been edited by Alan Fennell, who also wrote for the TV shows, Countdown had no direct connection with Century 21 or Gerry Anderson. Alan Fennell was, by that time, editing "Look In" so had no connection (although he may have been involved with the "UFO Annual" since that could have been sitting on the shelf for some time waiting for the TV show to be completed (Speculation on my part).Whether the scripts for the Countdown  comic strips had to be vetted by Century 21 Merchandising before publication is not mentioned.

*http://bearalleybooks.blogspot.com/
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Lightcudder
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Hi Shado-cabinet,
 
I haven't read Anthony's story, not because I dislike his writing,  but for the more practical reason that i find it difficult to read it in its current format. I also avoid the Shado Library as much as possible.

I would prefer it if you did not review any of my fanfiction on this site. Reviews are more than welcome on my website and although comments are moderated there, i have only ever rejected one comment from a woman who complained that I was writing about her husband, Ed Straker, and it was wrong of me to do so.  ;)

The general consensus among many male fans of UFO is that 'fanfiction' is the prerogative of hormonal women and I would prefer not to have my work - whether you regard it as readable or otherwise - subjected to ridicule. The Shepherd was written during a time of great personal stress and personally, even though it is hugely flawed, I will always cherish it for what it was. I would hate to see it mocked by people who openly state their contempt of fanfic writers.

Please remember, many of my stories are aimed at female fans of the series and are therefore primarily romance based, though several later ones - Green Man, Vodka, Wolf, Dies Canicularies etc have no romantic setting.

I respect the rights of readers to their opinion, but this forum is not, in my opinion. the right place to review stories unless an author has requested such - as on ffnet and AO3

Cheers, Ltcdr ;)  

LtCdr: UFO fanfiction and other stuff!

http://lightcudder.com/
TRT
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TRT
Clare,
No point!
Dennis was a trusted member of the Anderson family and I think would have had a free hand and Gerry’s blessing to take the story wherever he saw fit without any paternal control. Gerry Anderson I think wasn’t at all territorial about his work. Sylvia may have been more savvy on the business front but it never struck me that there was any great protection of the branding from the creative side. Unlike eg Dr Who / Daleks and Star Wars who were litigious as anything. 

Interestingly I worked with people who left Sun Printers when it broke up and joined the local college of printing. (Where I got a job in print & prepress in 1999) I even worked one of their old rotogravure presses. Be amazing to think it might have been one that was used to print a UFO edition.


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On 21 Nov 2020, at 20:13, Lightcudder [via SHADO] <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Hi Shado-cabinet,
 
I haven't read Anthony's story, not because I dislike his writing,  but for the more practical reason that i find it difficult to read it in its current format. I also avoid the Shado Library as much as possible.

I would prefer it if you did not review any of my fanfiction on this site. Reviews are more than welcome on my website and although comments are moderated there, i have only ever rejected one comment from a woman who complained that I was writing about her husband, Ed Straker, and it was wrong of me to do so.  ;)

The general consensus among many male fans of UFO is that 'fanfiction' is the prerogative of hormonal women and I would prefer not to have my work - whether you regard it as readable or otherwise - subjected to ridicule. The Shepherd was written during a time of great personal stress and personally, even though it is hugely flawed, I will always cherish it for what it was. I would hate to see it mocked by people who openly state their contempt of fanfic writers.

Please remember, many of my stories are aimed at female fans of the series and are therefore primarily romance based, though several later ones - Green Man, Vodka, Wolf, Dies Canicularies etc have no romantic setting.

I respect the rights of readers to their opinion, but this forum is not, in my opinion. the right place to review stories unless an author has requested such - as on ffnet and AO3

Cheers, Ltcdr ;)  

LtCdr: UFO fanfiction and other stuff!

http://lightcudder.com/



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TRT
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BTW 
Currently watching Doppleganger on Horror +1. They predicted Cardio monitoring watches! But not digital photography. 

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On 21 Nov 2020, at 20:23, TRT 1968 <[hidden email]> wrote:

Clare,
No point!
Dennis was a trusted member of the Anderson family and I think would have had a free hand and Gerry’s blessing to take the story wherever he saw fit without any paternal control. Gerry Anderson I think wasn’t at all territorial about his work. Sylvia may have been more savvy on the business front but it never struck me that there was any great protection of the branding from the creative side. Unlike eg Dr Who / Daleks and Star Wars who were litigious as anything. 

Interestingly I worked with people who left Sun Printers when it broke up and joined the local college of printing. (Where I got a job in print & prepress in 1999) I even worked one of their old rotogravure presses. Be amazing to think it might have been one that was used to print a UFO edition.


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On 21 Nov 2020, at 20:13, Lightcudder [via SHADO] <[hidden email]> wrote:

 Hi Shado-cabinet,
 
I haven't read Anthony's story, not because I dislike his writing,  but for the more practical reason that i find it difficult to read it in its current format. I also avoid the Shado Library as much as possible.

I would prefer it if you did not review any of my fanfiction on this site. Reviews are more than welcome on my website and although comments are moderated there, i have only ever rejected one comment from a woman who complained that I was writing about her husband, Ed Straker, and it was wrong of me to do so.  ;)

The general consensus among many male fans of UFO is that 'fanfiction' is the prerogative of hormonal women and I would prefer not to have my work - whether you regard it as readable or otherwise - subjected to ridicule. The Shepherd was written during a time of great personal stress and personally, even though it is hugely flawed, I will always cherish it for what it was. I would hate to see it mocked by people who openly state their contempt of fanfic writers.

Please remember, many of my stories are aimed at female fans of the series and are therefore primarily romance based, though several later ones - Green Man, Vodka, Wolf, Dies Canicularies etc have no romantic setting.

I respect the rights of readers to their opinion, but this forum is not, in my opinion. the right place to review stories unless an author has requested such - as on ffnet and AO3

Cheers, Ltcdr ;)  

LtCdr: UFO fanfiction and other stuff!

http://lightcudder.com/



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Re: Review for UFO: How it Ended (parts 1 and 2) by Anthony Appleyard

Shado-cabinet
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Hi Lightcudder.

Thanks for your reply. I respect your wishes and I will not review any of your works on this forum.
Please bear in mind that I would never ridicule any work of fanfiction, nor would I ever post a negative review of any fanfiction that I have read (if I ever read a fanfic story that I did not enjoy I would simply not post a review of it in the first place). I have nothing but respect for any of those writers who are trying to keep  a fan community of an old TV show alive with their respective works.

I do look forward to reading the Shepherd novel & the other stories you mentioned in your post. Personally I do not mind if there is a strong romantic angle in fanfic stories (To be honest I think poor Straker deserves a romantic break from fighting both the UFOs and the Astrophysics Commission ).

Gotta love that woman reader who thought she was married to Ed Straker. Talk about "Stand by your (fictional) man" :)
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Shado-cabinet
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Hi Clare

Honestly I do not know for certain if the Andersons were consulted about the aliens & their homeworld prior to the development of 'The Snatch' story. It is pure speculation on my part. There is nothing accredited to them as being consulted (likewise there is also nothing to verify that they were not consulted about the story).  Until someone unearths some production notes by either Hooper or Fennell about the story then it is best left to the speculation of the UFO fans themselves as to what the full working relationships behind the UFO comic strip were.

Since there wasn't a season 2 of UFO then the details of the Aliens and their homeworld as depicted in the UFO strip in Countdown is as 'canon' as the TV show itself (since it bears the UFO brand), plus the fact that the comic strip is running as the defacto sequel to the UFO story (since the TV show would have ended its main broadcast run in late 1971).  As much as I hate the Star Wars sequel trilogy (and all its blatant inconsistencies with the previous 6 SW films) I still have to accept that it is canon, as it bears both the Lucasfilm & Star War brand.

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Shado-cabinet
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Hi Hofstede

Thank you for your post & the link. I found it very informative :)
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Clare Cross
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Hi Clare

"Honestly I do not know for certain if the Andersons were consulted about the aliens & their homeworld prior to the development of 'The Snatch' story. It is pure speculation on my part. There is nothing accredited to them as being consulted (likewise there is also nothing to verify that they were not consulted about the story).  Until someone unearths some production notes by either Hooper or Fennell about the story then it is best left to the speculation of the UFO fans themselves as to what the full working relationships behind the UFO comic strip were.

Since there wasn't a season 2 of UFO then the details of the Aliens and their homeworld as depicted in the UFO strip in Countdown is as 'canon' as the TV show itself (since it bears the UFO brand), plus the fact that the comic strip is running as the defacto sequel to the UFO story (since the TV show would have ended its main broadcast run in late 1971).  As much as I hate the Star Wars sequel trilogy (and all its blatant inconsistencies with the previous 6 SW films) I still have to accept that it is canon, as it bears both the Lucasfilm & Star War brand."

As stated previously; there was no direct connection between Countdown/TV Action and Gerry & Sylvia Anderson.  Polystyle had bought the rights to publish comic strips based on their properties but it's not likely that they would have been obliged to keep them appraised of story developments.  By 1972/73, which is the period we are discussing, Gerry and Sylvia would probably have been busy working on The Protectors and Space:1999.  Similarly, if you are suggesting that the editor and publishers contacted Gerry to let him know about the contents of the UFO strips, then it must also be fair to assume that they would have contacted all the copyright holders of the other strips.  There were at least 22 different strips in Countdown and TV Action during their lifetimes and to have maintained a dialogue with all the people involved would have been a job in itself and would have left no time for the actual job of editing and producing the comic!  

The UFO strip cannot be considered 'canon' and was not effectively a 'sequel' to the TV series.  It was a comic strip spin-off and seems to have been based primarily on material present in just the first few episodes - Col. Lake never appears, for example.  Many of the stories go off on tangents that take them a long way away from the story concepts presented in the series - 'Small World', for example.  

As well as the book mentioned elsewhere in this thread, a Countdown/TV Action 'special' is available courtesy of the magazine 'Past Perfect'.  It can usually be found without much difficulty on ebay.  I can recommend it as a companion to the book.  It's full colour, well illustrated and full of information.  
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Shado-cabinet
Hi Clare

Ultimately whether the UFO comic strip is 'canon' is really up to the UFO fan themselves (as we do not know whether or not the Andersons were involved in the strip). I, like many other UFO fans (such as fanfic writer Anthony Appleyard etc), see it as canon.  But one thing for sure is that the UFO strip in Countdown/ TV Action was certainly the 'official continuation' of the UFO franchise since there was a never a season 2 or spin-off of the show etc.
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Anthony Appleyard
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Lightcudder wrote on Nov 21, 2020; 8:13pm (Re: Review for UFO: How it Ended (parts 1 and 2) by Anthony Appleyard): "I haven't read Anthony's story, not because I dislike his writing,  but for the more practical reason that i find it difficult to read it in its current format. I also avoid the Shado Library as much as possible.".

Does that refer to the typeface (font) used? Among fonts, I find Times New Roman easier to read than wide-face imitation-typewriting fonts. Also, I find that the Shado Library's handling of accented letters can be rather erratic.

The ending at the end of my Part 2 was not intended as an end-of-events, it is merely where I ran out of writing energy. With thanks to Shado-cabinet for bringing this story back to my attention.
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Anthony Appleyard
As a word for the usual alien-type UFO's, I did not invent the word "spinner" :: I found it in use in forum discussion and fiction.
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Shado-cabinet
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Hi Anthony

Thank you for your message. And I am glad to highlight your excellent UFO story on this board. You will have to excuse some of the negative reaction to fanfic on this board. I for one am very impressed with the quality of the fanfic stories for UFO, and I applaud the integrity of those fanfic writers for trying to keep the UFO franchise alive (despite the snobby attitude of the odd fan towards anyone trying to take the UFO story further etc). I am glad that you are going to re-visit part 2, and hopefully write part 3, as I am really looking forward to the closure of the 'How it Ended' saga. I think it is an amazing story and your depiction of the mysterious Alien race 'The Karsin' really fits in with what was alluded to in the show. BTW - although you mentioned you borrowed the term 'Spinners' from another source, I think it was a great idea on your part to include it in your work

Thanks once again for all your hard work :)
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