SHADO may need to abandon YahooGroups... (?)

Hi all,

I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time. The new format looks more a lot like Facebook, and I've seen a lot of negative feedback from users and group owners. I'll take a "wait and see" approach for now, but we may just need to move elsewhere if this new format is too irritating (I haven't researched it much as of yet, and frankly it isn't even done, so with enough user feedback it may become more acceptable)

Marc

I'll go wherever you go!

Branko

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Hi all,



I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time. The new format looks more a lot like Facebook, and I've seen a lot of negative feedback from users and group owners. I'll take a "wait and see" approach for now, but we may just need to move elsewhere if this new format is too irritating (I haven't researched it much as of yet, and frankly it isn'teven done, so with enough user feedback it may become more acceptable)



Marc




   
     

   
   






       

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Likewise :) I really like this system the way it is. I like having updates emailed to me, rather than having to 'fish about' in all the usual and multitude of categories in a forum... But, whatever happens I'm going to tag along.

Best to all :)

Griff

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time.The new format looks more a lot like Facebook, and I've seen a lot of negative feedback from users and group owners. I'll take a "wait and see" approach for now, but we may just need to move elsewhere if this new format istoo irritating (I haven't researched it much as of yet, and frankly it isn't even done, so with enough user feedback it may become more acceptable)
>
> Marc
>

Frankly, Yahoo groups was good in it's day, but it's become something of a backwater. It is old, antiquated and clunky.

Might I suggest you setting up a forum of your own, Marc, and you can attach it to the website (Check out PhpBB). Failing that, there are plenty of decent services around that allow multiple threads, HTML text, image and fileembedding etc etc.
Rob





> Hi all,
>
> I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time.
> Marc
>

I like this site, but apprectiate that a forum with multiple threads etc would allow longer discussion of certain topics. One group I 'lurk' on tendsto have long 'chat' sessions involving two or three people often leaving posts of two or three words... very frustrating if you don't check in regularly. But, whatever happens I'm staying with Marc!
The UFO writers forum is well set up, very easy to navigate and with all the appropriate 'areas' needed. but that is my personal viewpoint. ! ( I findFanderson a little ...obscure)
Louise

--- In [hidden email], "Rob" <tryptych@...> wrote:

I agree. Why can't Yahoo accept that if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time.The new format looks more a lot like Facebook, and I've seen a lot of negative feedback from users and group owners. I'll take a "wait and see" approach for now, but we may just need to move elsewhere if this new format istoo irritating (I haven't researched it much as of yet, and frankly it isn't even done, so with enough user feedback it may become more acceptable)
>
> Marc
>

Really not that happy with Facebook.  Do what you have to Marc.  Changing things
just to change them is never a good idea.  About that I always liked aquote
from one of the Matt Helm novels which said "Don't monkey with the buzz sawwhen
its cutting wood.

James K.

"Greater love hath no woman than to get into this costume."  GabrielleDrake to
George Sewell when she turned up in her Moonbase costume for his episode ofThis
is Your Life in 1973.




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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 8:16:21 PM
Subject: [SHADO] SHADO may need to abandon YahooGroups... (?)

 
Hi all,

I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups
now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time. The new
format looks more a lot like Facebook, and I've seen a lot of negative feedback
from users and group owners. I'll take a "wait and see" approach for now, but we
may just need to move elsewhere if this new format is too irritating (I haven't
researched it much as of yet, and frankly it isn't even done, so with enough
user feedback it may become more acceptable)

Marc



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This will be a sad thing. I just don't have the time to check any other boards for forums.

~Matt

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time.The new format looks more a lot like Facebook, and I've seen a lot of negative feedback from users and group owners. I'll take a "wait and see" approach for now, but we may just need to move elsewhere if this new format istoo irritating (I haven't researched it much as of yet, and frankly it isn't even done, so with enough user feedback it may become more acceptable)
>
> Marc
>

> Might I suggest you setting up a forum of your own, Marc, and you can
> attach it to the website (Check out PhpBB). Failing that, there are
> plenty of decent services around that allow multiple threads, HTML text,
> image and file embedding etc etc.

Thanks Rob -- maybe you can send me (via private email) some specific
suggestions on what the "decent services" are? :-)

For now, I'll just monitor the situation -- moving a group to a different
technology can sometimes kill a group, but if YahooGroups is going to
turn into Facebook, then that may kill YahooGroups... :-(

Marc

> This will be a sad thing. I just don't have the time to check any other
> boards for forums.

Possibly the backlash will be so strong that Yahoo will reconsider making
major changes to the existing interface.

Marc

<< I agree. Why can't Yahoo accept that if it ain't broke, don't fix it! >>

Dave I just don't know. This horrible change has started to hit some of the groups I am in. And worse the ones I own. I can't deal with this. I hate everything to do with this horrid facenook crap.

If Yahoo can allow you to keep using the classic yahoomail. Then why th hell can't they allow you to choose to use a classic groups.

And as to the old groups being a backwater, clunky and the like.

That's just BS.. I have been with some of the groups I am on under other account user names going back to onelist. When yahoo took over egroups they swear they wouldn't screw with the groups. Well they broke that promos. But at leased those tweaks were fairly small.

This is all out destitution.

If some members would rather have a facebook look. then GO TO FACEBOOK.

I am just so angry and hurt by this. I don't belong to any of these flaky sites like facebook. the groups are the only place i have ever felt at home and at easy. I belong to something in total like near 70 different groups. many are just there. I own 4 or so and help run a few more.

I still get the daily digest and stick with the traditional style.

Yes I know. I am soooo behind the times. I am not hip enough for the new airhead croud. Clunky people like me should either 'git with it' or go die.

Well tough.

They should be room enough for even us.

Dave is right. If it ain't broke. Then why the hell fix it? What should be done is yahoo should undo many of the crappy changes they forced on members a few yrs. back.

I wn't me classic groups back.

Yahoo is just trying to copy a bad idea called 'facelessbook.'

April.


     

<< This will be a sad thing. I just don't have the time to check any other boards for forums. >>

<< Possibly the backlash will be so strong that Yahoo will reconsider making major changes to the existing interface. Marc >>

God Marc how I want to believe that could happen.,

But yahoo sees this as. hey its free. So we can screw with it and you all can't say boo.

I once tried some yrs. back to deal directly with them via over the phone over a problem with yahoomail. They acted like. Shut up it's free so don't bother us.

What is really twisted it their are people who pay the groups for more space and they get treated as back.

They closed down geocities that was costing them NOTHING.. They got lots of negative feedback. And still did what they wanted.

Marc. If you know a way to make them listen..

How about telling us.

I learned about this late last Friday. It has only added heavily to my stress levels. Which are already seriously too high. :(:(

So if you have any ideas. ...

April.


     

> Marc. If you know a way to make them listen..
> How about telling us.

I don't know, but I do know that there are feedback forums loaded with negative feedback over this change.  Many people are just closing their groups and moving elsewhere -- where exactly is not clear, but GoogleGroups seems to get mentioned a lot.

I am experimenting with a mirror site at Nabble.com, which would keep the group at YahooGroups, but would offer people the ability to see the messages in a non-Facebook interface (and even post from there if they are already members of SHADO on YahooGroups).  See here:

  http://shado.965972.n3.nabble.com/

Eventually this forum could be embedded into my UFO series home page.  

Nabble will also let you populate their forums with old messages, which is why I'm looking to see if anyone has a .PST, .MBX, .MBOX, .EML file with FAB-UFO messages from 1994 - 2000 (since I'd like to bring back the complete archive)

Marc

The one positive to shutting down all Yahoo communications is that Marc
would get to send an email announcing: "WASHINGTON SQUARE".

--
JasonH


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> The one positive to shutting down all Yahoo communications is that Marc
> would get to send an email announcing: "WASHINGTON SQUARE".

Yes, it's been 10 years since I've had a chance to do that... 10 years,
of sweat and sacrifice... :-)

Marc

I like this layout. Nice to be able to follow one thread as simply as this. If Yahoo goes 'Washington Sq.' this is a pretty reasonable compromise in my humble opinion!

> I like this layout. Nice to be able to follow one thread as simply as
> this.  If Yahoo goes 'Washington Sq.' this is a pretty reasonable compromise in
> my humble opinion!

Yes, I think Nabble may satisfy people who like "mailing lists", and also
people who like "forums".

I know that when Fanderson switched from a YahooGroup to a forum, I stopped
reading it.  I don't want that to happen here!

(at Nabble, one can subscribe via email to the entire forum, I don't know
if that's something one can do with most forums?)

Marc

But if you get a lot of 'chatter' as some groups have, it is so frustrating to try to find serious threads amonst the inconsequential 'single word' posts between one or two people that so often occur.

 It doesn't happen much here, but this is preferable to the Facebook style ( which is dreadful!)  It also makes it easier to find specific topics later on!

Whatever happens, I won't be  leaving  this group......!
And there's nothing wrong in liking 'mailing lists ' is there??!!

> But if you get a lot of 'chatter' as some groups have, it is so
> frustrating to try to find serious threads amongst the inconsequential 'single word'
> posts between one or two people that so often occur.

Yes, and that's one of the complaints with the upcoming YahooGroups interface,
is that it appears that Yahoo is encouraging short, inconsequential chatter.

When people do too much of that on SHADO, I just put them in moderation and
start deleting these posts.  And then sometimes these people revise their
habits, or sometimes they leave the group in disgust.

> And there's nothing wrong in liking 'mailing lists ' is there??!!

Not at all... I prefer mailing lists, but there are those who prefer
forums too...

Marc

Don't most people just use it for email? They hardly use it for the website itself.  Especially since you have your own website to point people to to store things like photos.

Bruce
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  From: Marc Martin
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  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 9:16 PM
  Subject: [SHADO] SHADO may need to abandon YahooGroups... (?)


   
  Hi all,

  I see that there is a controversial change in format going on with YahooGroups now -- it hasn't hit SHADO as of yet, but it's just a matter of time. The new format looks more a lot like Facebook, and I've seen a lot of negative feedback from users and group owners. I'll take a "wait and see" approach for now, but we may just need to move elsewhere if this new format is too irritating (I haven't researched it much as of yet, and frankly it isn't even done, so with enough user feedback it may become more acceptable)

  Marc


 

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