THE "UFO" EPISODE WITH PATRICK MOWER

Hello Everyone!

Remember the UFO episode with Patrick Mower? The one where he and his lover plan to murder her husband? Well, I discovered a terrible flaw in the plot - let me know what you think. Mower and the woman are given a drug by SHADO so they will forget everything about the incident with the alien, etc. At the end of the show they have apparently gone ahead and murdered the husband (the graveyard scene, if my memory serves me). The problem is, why didn't Straker or Freeman give them both a phone call saying "You don't know who I am but I know that you are planning to murder someone. I can guarantee that if you go ahead with it you will both be arrested and charged and go to prison for a very long time." This would have scared the living daylights out of them both!!! I don't think they would have gone ahead with their plan after such a mysterious warning, do you??

ALL THE BEST,
 
BRIAN

Why is that a flaw in the plot? SHADO is not a law enforcement
organization; it's out of their purview.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Brian
Serridge<[hidden email]> wrote:
>  Well, I discovered a terrible flaw in the plot - let me know what you think.

--
Mario

http://mario.silent-tower.org/

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:39:53 +0000 (GMT)
Brian Serridge <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The problem is, why didn't Straker or Freeman give them both a phone
> call saying "You don't know who I am but I know that you are planning
> to murder someone. I can guarantee that if you go ahead with it you
> will both be arrested and charged and go to prison for a very long
> time."

We did have this discussion once before .. I tend to agree with you
on that one. While SHADO may not be a law enforcement organisation
they were privy to knowledge the likelihood of a serious crime, and
I think there was a responsibility to do something to prevent it.

I think there's probably a legal responsibility to report it to the
police, but of course security considerations are a bit of a barrier
there.

--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <jg@...> wrote: Straker seemed disinterested, didn't he? He only wanted to capture the alien and when he was thwarted, he seemed to lose interest and just wanted Fowler and Liz Newton out of his sight. A bit single-minded! I'm also surprised Freeman didn't tip off the police, he had more empathy with other characters.

Conversation with Police - "and how do you know this crime is in progress or
about to be in progress, sir?"

Straker - "Well I head a secret organization fighting aliens and the would
be murderers killed an Alien"

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
richard650304
Sent: 12 August 2009 07:59
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: THE "UFO" EPISODE WITH PATRICK MOWER





--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , James Gibbon
<jg@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:39:53 +0000 (GMT)
> Brian Serridge <brianserridge@...> wrote:
>
> > The problem is, why didn't Straker or Freeman give them both a phone
call saying "You don't know who I am but I know that you are planning to
murder someone. I can guarantee that if you go ahead with it you will both
be arrested and charged and go to prison for a very long time." Straker seemed disinterested, didn't he? He only wanted to capture the alien
and when he was thwarted, he seemed to lose interest and just wanted Fowler
and Liz Newton out of his sight. A bit single-minded! I'm also surprised
Freeman didn't tip off the police, he had more empathy with other
characters.





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I've been reading this very interesting discussion:

Under the English common law, there was a criminal offence called
'misprison of felony', which was a failure to report a serious criminal
offence to the appropriate authorities. While it still exists in some
jurisdictions, it was abolished in England and Wales by the Criminal Law
Act, 1967. Section 4 of that Act replaced it with 'Penalties for assisting
offenders'; and I quote that section 4, subsections 1-4:

Penalties for assisting offenders.

4.-(1) Where a person has committed an arrestable offence, any other person
who, knowing or believing him to be guilty of the offence or of some other
arrestable offence, does without lawful authority or reasonable excuse any
act with intent to impede his apprehension or prosecution shall be guilty
of an offence.

(2) If on the trial of an indictment for an arrestable offence the jury are
satisfied that the offence charged (or some other offence of which the
accused might on that charge be found guilty) was committed, but find the
accused not guilty of it, they may find him guilty of any offence under
subsection (1) above of which they are satisfied that he is guilty in
relation to the offence charged (or that other offence).

(3} A person committing an offence under subsection (1) above with intent
to impede another person's apprehension or prosecution shall on conviction
on indictment be liable to imprisonment according to the gravity of the
other person's offence, as follows :-

(a) if that offence is one for which the sentence is fixed by
law, he shall be liable to imprisonment for not more
than ten years;

(b) if it is one for which a person (not previously convicted)
may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term of
fourteen years, he shall be liable to imprisonment for
not more than seven years;

(c) if it is not one included above but is one for which a
person (not previously convicted) may be sentenced to
imprisonment for a term of ten years, he shall be liable
to imprisonment for not more than five years;

(d) in any other case, he shall be liable to imprisonment
for not more than three years.

(4) No proceedings shall be instituted for an offence under subsection (1)
above except by or with the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions:
Provided that this subsection shall not prevent the arrest, or the issue of
a warrant for the arrest, of a person for such an offence, or the remand in
custody or on bail of a person charged
with such an offence.

As we can see from section 4(1), there's a defence Straker can use for
failing to report, either of 'lawful authority or reasonable excuse'.

Regarding Alec Freeman tipping off the police, I've a feeling that he knows
that if he did so Straker would certainly find out. Knowing Straker as he
does, he's probably aware that once the former finds out, the consequences
would be severe.


Murray

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was there an part before the end that Foster mentioned telling the old guy
about the plot to kill him. I recalled someone either Straker or Foster
mentioned that -- I may have to rewatch the epicsode today -- Glenn


In a message dated 8/12/2009 9:07:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:




Conversation with Police - "and how do you know this crime is in progress
or
about to be in progress, sir?"

Straker - "Well I head a secret organization fighting aliens and the would
be murderers killed an Alien"

<Clunk>

From: _SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email])
[mailto:_SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ] On Behalf Of
richard650304
Sent: 12 August 2009 07:59
To: _SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Subject: [SHADO] Re: THE "UFO" EPISODE WITH PATRICK MOWER

--- In _SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email])
<mailto:SHADO%mailto:SHADO%mai> , James Gibbon
<jg@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:39:53 +0000 (GMT)
> Brian Serridge <brianserridge@bri> wrote:
>
> > The problem is, why didn't Straker or Freeman give them both a phone
call saying "You don't know who I am but I know that you are planning to
murder someone. I can guarantee that if you go ahead with it you will both
be arrested and charged and go to prison for a very long time." Straker seemed disinterested, didn't he? He only wanted to capture the
alien
and when he was thwarted, he seemed to lose interest and just wanted Fowler
and Liz Newton out of his sight. A bit single-minded! I'm also surprised
Freeman didn't tip off the police, he had more empathy with other
characters.

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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:23:40 +0930
"David Richards" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Conversation with Police - "and how do you know this crime is in progress or
> about to be in progress, sir?"
>
> Straker - "Well I head a secret organization fighting aliens and the would
> be murderers killed an Alien"
>

Clearly SHADO does have some degree of recognition at some (high)
level within the police force .. in fact if I remember correctly
Foster even turns up at the UFO site flashing an ID card of
some sort in that episode.

What happens, for example, if a Police helicopter or patrol car
sees a SHADO Mobile lurching across the British countryside at
high speed? The authorities have to be "joined up" at some point
to prevent interference.

So I hardly think that Straker needs to telephone the local police
station.

Would this prevented SHADO capturing an Alien alive - then he is
contradicting himself - when they would like to have an live Alien. Glenn


In a message dated 8/12/2009 10:15:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

> Straker - "Well I head a secret organization fighting aliens and the
would
> be murderers killed an Alien"




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What???

--- On Wed, 8/12/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: THE "UFO" EPISODE WITH PATRICK MOWER
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:33 AM


 



Would this prevented SHADO capturing an Alien alive - then he is
contradicting himself - when they would like to have an live Alien. Glenn


In a message dated 8/12/2009 10:15:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jg@jamesgibbon. com writes:

> Straker - "Well I head a secret organization fighting aliens and the
would
> be murderers killed an Alien"

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I was pointing out how difficult it would be explaining to the police HOW
they knew the wife and lover were going to kill the husband.



Straker had no way to prevent them killing the alien. otherwise he would no
doubt have preferred to capture him alive. The lovers kind of put the
kybosh on that option.



From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
[hidden email]
Sent: 13 August 2009 01:04
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: THE "UFO" EPISODE WITH PATRICK MOWER





Would this prevented SHADO capturing an Alien alive - then he is
contradicting himself - when they would like to have an live Alien. Glenn


In a message dated 8/12/2009 10:15:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[hidden email] <mailto:jg%40jamesgibbon.com> writes:

> Straker - "Well I head a secret organization fighting aliens and the
would
> be murderers killed an Alien"

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Yeah - pretty much...

Rock on!
Durham

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:53 AM, David Richards <
[hidden email]> wrote:


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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:33:57 EDT
[hidden email] wrote:

Please quote properly - that's not my comment.

James

I just added my comment to the top - I didn't change ONE WORD.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:53 AM, James Gibbon <[hidden email]> wrote:


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--- In [hidden email], "David Richards" <dcr_au@...> wrote:
>
> Conversation with Police - "and how do you know this crime is in progressor
> about to be in progress, sir?"
>
> Straker - "Well I head a secret organization fighting aliens and the would
> be murderers killed an Alien"
>
> <Clunk>
>
Actually all Straker would have to do is use one of the many covers SHADO would have for dealing with groups like the police including invoking the Offical Secerts Act(1911)as to how he knows including posing as Special Branch or Military Intelligence, all of which would be within SHADO's abiltysince all the armed forces,US,UK,European and Russian play ball with SHADO.... my 10 pence worth
 

Well, there's also the possibility that the police were notified via
anonymous tip but the local investigation couldn't come up with evidence to
prove it was premeditated aside from the call. As Straker pointed out, the
two culprits had no memory of carrying out their crime originally and if
SHADO's clean up crew did their job, there was no evidence of the previous
shooting.



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So the quote MAGICALLY got attributed to the wrong person???

Jeff


--- In [hidden email], Durham N Tx <durhamntx@...> wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:39:20 -0500
Durham N Tx <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I just added my comment to the top - I didn't change ONE WORD.
>

I replied to a post from [hidden email], which incorrectly
attributed a quote to me.