The military rank system

Pardon me for weighing in on the Skydiver issue - I really don't think it
can go down too far - 600-700 feet maybe. I decided that Skydiver wasn't up
to the task of finding a downed UFO in the Atlantic in my fanfic Sea Poste
and created a new type of sub for SHADO - a higher technology knock off of
Dr. Robert Ballard's Alvin, which he used to find the Titanic in 1985.

Pam

>Pardon me for weighing in on the Skydiver issue - I really don't think it
can go down too far - 600-700 feet maybe. I decided that Skydiver wasn't up
to the task of finding a downed UFO in the Atlantic

I will probably get shouted at for this as well, but...

Reflections in the Water - wasn't that dome thing on the bottom of the
Atlantic? And SkyDiver got down close enough to release divers. Depends on
where it was, if it was on a ledge or shelf or somewhere along the
mid-Atlantic ridge, but that's still pretty deep, and SkyDiver was skimming
the seabed during the search.

Jess

You won't get shouted at by me, since I agree with you. The dome would have had to have been in less then 500 feet (I think that this is the current limit for regular ox divers) of water. Anything deeper and you would need a hard suit, a mixture of gases to breath, or both.
You will also notice that reguardless of the water depth, they didn't bother to decompress, or at least they didn't show it, in Reflections as well as SubSmash.
I am sure that this was just an "Oversight" on the part of the technical staff, as in they didn't want to spend the time and money to make it look right, especially given that it would have slowed down the action.
Actually in SubSmash, it might have helped the action by giving them one more excuse as to why they didn't just flood the whole sub and every one free swim to the surface in the begining.

J Ramage <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Pardon me for weighing in on the Skydiver issue - I really don't think it
can go down too far - 600-700 feet maybe. I decided that Skydiver wasn't up
to the task of finding a downed UFO in the Atlantic

I will probably get shouted at for this as well, but...

Reflections in the Water - wasn't that dome thing on the bottom of the
Atlantic? And SkyDiver got down close enough to release divers. Depends on
where it was, if it was on a ledge or shelf or somewhere along the
mid-Atlantic ridge, but that's still pretty deep, and SkyDiver was skimming
the seabed during the search.

Jess




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--- In [hidden email], Robert Thomas
<screwedmorethenonce@y...> wrote:
> You won't get shouted at by me, since I agree with you. The dome
would have had to have been in less then 500 feet (I think that this
is the current limit for regular ox divers) of water. Anything
deeper and you would need a hard suit, a mixture of gases to breath,
or both.
> You will also notice that reguardless of the water depth, they
didn't bother to decompress, or at least they didn't show it, in
Reflections as well as SubSmash.
> I am sure that this was just an "Oversight" on the part of the
technical staff, as in they didn't want to spend the time and money
to make it look right, especially given that it would have slowed
down the action.
> Actually in SubSmash, it might have helped the action by giving
them one more excuse as to why they didn't just flood the whole sub
and every one free swim to the surface in the begining.

Why are we to believe that Diver was in deep water in Subsmash and
Reflections? If I am not mistaken and remember correctly, in
Reflections you can even see vegetation around where they are
diving. And in both cases, you can see that sunlight is reaching
SkyDiver, a sign that they are not very deep.

David Levine

Pamela McCaughey wrote:
> Pardon me for weighing in on the Skydiver issue - I really don't think it
> can go down too far - 600-700 feet maybe.

That's not correct - 600 fathoms in fact. That's canon.

Nor will you ever since a battle lit properly at any depth would only show vague shadows until one ship or the other blew up.
A shot like that would be realistic but very boring. Watch Red October, and they have the subs lit even though they are very deep.

David Levine <[hidden email]> wrote:
--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon wrote:
> "J Ramage" wrote:
> > > I think it was more on the order of 600 feet.
> >
> > Whether teh depth of 600 fathoms is feasible for a submarine or
not,
> > that is what was stated in the episode.
> >
>
> It's well feasible for SHADO hardware, like all manner of things
> that aren't feasible in real life.

The maximum depth must had been 600 decimeters (60 meters), since in
that episode, as I recall, you could clearly see a shot of SkyDiver
at those depths with "natural light" (thus, the sun light was
reaching those depths). If it had been at least 600 feet, SkyDiver
would had been diving in darkness, and that is not what we saw ;-).

David Levine




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Pamela McCaughey wrote:
> I think David has put it all very succinctly. Divers going deeper than about
> 200-300 feet need the hard had suits and there is a point in which they
> cannot go down deeper - which is where the submersibles come in.

I see. And how deep can fighter aircraft submerge? How many
times faster than the speed of light are small, lunar-based
interceptor craft capable?

An argument can be gone at either way. Either they truly weren't deep in the shows, in which case all arguments about crush depths and so on go out the window (Which can be dangerous if left open on a sub) or they were supposed to be deep and they just filmed it like that so that you could "See" the action. (See previous post on filming limitations for reasons).
As far as seeing vegetation in the area, there are plants that grow at several thousand feet deep near thermal vents and "Black Smokers" in the Atlantic. Saw that on A Discovery Channel show a few weeks ago.

That's quite true - Skydiver released divers in Reflections - but given the
gear Foster and Straker were wearing, one has to assume the depths they were
diving with that super conventional gear had to have been no more than 200
feet. Any deeper and you end up having to wear very specialized gear to
avoid narcosis - the divers who went down to the Andrea Doria had to stay in
a special pressure tank while they worked for days recovering items, and the
Lusitania (off Ireland's coast) is down over 300 feet which also requires
special equipment for divers. The Titanic is off the Mid-Atlantic ridge
folks, and it's down two MILES, so no, divers and Skydiver cannot exist in
that environment together! the Titanic and Bismarck are only visitable in
submersibles like Alvin, or the Mirs (Russian owned versions of Alvin) or
the IMFREMER sub. Pam


>
> Reflections in the Water - wasn't that dome thing on the bottom of the
> Atlantic? And SkyDiver got down close enough to release divers. Depends on
> where it was, if it was on a ledge or shelf or somewhere along the
> mid-Atlantic ridge, but that's still pretty deep, and SkyDiver was skimming
> the seabed during the search.

I think David has put it all very succinctly. Divers going deeper than about
200-300 feet need the hard had suits and there is a point in which they
cannot go down deeper - which is where the submersibles come in. Ballard's
Alvin, and the Mirs, were specially designed to go deeper than even military
subs can go (which may include Skydiver), for scientific purposes. Ballard,
in addition to looking for fabled shipwrecks, has also gone down into the
Marianas Trenches and some other very deep spots in the ocean. Not even
Cousteau's submersible could go down as far as Alvin et al. In its time,
Alvin was considered a step forward in sub technology.

Pam