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jmain44
Nick-I DO appreciate the information you gave me and don't want to
sound rude. That's my natural tendency. Ask anyone who knows me.
I apologise if I sounded too rough around the edges, when all you
were trying to do was offer some advice.

Jim
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Phil Merkel
Yes copyright discussion always seem to go in the same direction no matter
what email list your on. It's one of the natural "laws" of the internet,
whether it be a mailing list or Usenet.

As for Jim, he really is a good natured and nice guy as I met him last
month. But be warned, he is from the east coast of the USA and us eastcoast
native types are all rough around the edges!

: -)

Now, if only Jim was from New Jersey then THAT would explain everything!

(captphil waits for the flames to come realizing he has once again brought
this upon himself!)

: -) Just kidding!




I'm going to Main Mission 2000 September 1 - 3!
http://www.cybrary1999.com/con2000/
-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 6:45 AM
Subject: To Nick


>Nick-I DO appreciate the information you gave me and don't want to
>sound rude. That's my natural tendency. Ask anyone who knows me.
>I apologise if I sounded too rough around the edges, when all you
>were trying to do was offer some advice.
> Jim
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Nick Williams
Thanks Jim, Marc and Phil.

Sadly, the internet seems to imbibe users with a "I can, therefore I
will" mentality, without little apparent thought for whether "I
should".

I consider c***r***t important. The c***r***t owner has paid money
for
something, and I think they deserve the common decency of being asked
how/when/if it should be used. Perhaps the easiest way for me to
think
about it would be if I bought a really nice car, but because someone
(in this case Jim) liked it so much he just felt he could drive it,
change the colour, add fuzzy dice etc.

It doesn't work like that, whether you really, really, like something
or not. It belongs to somebody else, and I just think that the rights
of the owner should be respected.

Anyway, rant over, 'cos it really won't change much.

I'm going along to MainMission:2000 too, so if anyone wants to make
themselves known I'd love to meet you (and I promise not to rant too
much!!)
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James Gibbon-2
"Nick Williams" wrote:

> Thanks Jim, Marc and Phil.
>
> Sadly, the internet seems to imbibe users with a "I can, therefore I
> will" mentality, without little apparent thought for whether "I
> should".
>
> I consider c***r***t important. The c***r***t owner has paid money
> for
> something, and I think they deserve the common decency of being asked
> how/when/if it should be used. Perhaps the easiest way for me to
> think
> about it would be if I bought a really nice car, but because someone
> (in this case Jim) liked it so much he just felt he could drive it,
> change the colour, add fuzzy dice etc.
>
> It doesn't work like that, whether you really, really, like something
> or not. It belongs to somebody else, and I just think that the rights
> of the owner should be respected.
>

Nick, it's very refreshing to hear a rational view on copyright
here.

Thanks for posting this. I personally totally support your point
of view, and I think that it's a great shame that so many people
who would never make a habit of selling goods stolen from a shop
think it's fine to take money for other peoples' copyright
material. I don't think the issue of Fan clubs is quite so black
& white - like Jim says, they help in promoting the series to
which they are dedicated, but I think at the very least the
copyright owners should be approached to give the nod. They'd
probably be very supportive, and if not that's unfortunate, but
it's also their right.

But I must say, people offering for sale CD copies of music
without permission are very obviously abusing the rights of the
copyright owners, whether they make a profit or not - especially
when legitimate copies are available, albeit in very subtly
different form.

> Anyway, rant over, 'cos it really won't change much.
>

Me too. I just wanted to voice my support.

James
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jmain44
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It just so happens I'll be at the Main Mission 2000 con also and I'll
be glad to meet with you! Do you have a dealers table? Will you be
bringing any Fanderson related items for sale? And,if not, can I get
you to bring any UFO related material to the show? Pam Barnes used
to sell me a ton of stuff at shows. Let me know what you might have
available.

As to my club, I'm giving it a lot more thought now and will probably
not make a go of it after all, unless I get an okay from Carlton
(wasn't that the name of Will Smith's brother on "Fresh Prince?")

JIM
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Nick Williams
--- In [hidden email], jmain44@a... wrote:
> Do you have a dealers table? Will you be bringing any Fanderson
related items for sale?

Sorry Jim, but no. It's a holiday more than anything, although I have
been asked to do a short presentation about the club, and to bring
some episodes over for the screening programmes. I am, however, more
than happy to chat to ayone about the club during the event.

> And,if not, can I get you to bring any UFO related material to the
> show? Pam Barnes used to sell me a ton of stuff at shows.

Way back in the mists of time, before I was even a member of
Fanderson, let alone on the committee, the club was given tons of
photos and promotional material by ITC. Allegedly, someone in a
position of responsibility within the club (and I'll mention no names
so as not to be confronted with a law suit) took all of thse
materials
with him/her when he/she left the committee. After a short while they
were being sold at comic marts, conventions and fairs around the
world
by this person. Now, this information has been passed to me second
hand by a number of people, but I thing that's a pretty shitty thing
to do?

All merchandise that we have is currently detailed in our Fanderson
Sales brochure, and on our website. Other materials the club has been
given by ITC/PolyGram/Carlton will be given to the club's members,
offered as competition prizes, or auctioned for charity, at our
Century 21 convention this October. Again, perhaps too altruistic for
some, but we just don't believe that we, as individuals, should gain
from ITC/PolyGram/Carlton's generosity. It's a club, and all members
have an opportunity of sharing in that.
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Suzanne Sutherland
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In message <[hidden email]>, [hidden email] writes
>
>As to my club, I'm giving it a lot more thought now and will probably
>not make a go of it after all, unless I get an okay from Carlton
>(wasn't that the name of Will Smith's brother on "Fresh Prince?")

Yes, smell you later.

;-)
--
Suzanne Sutherland
La Grande