What are the chances of a new UFO series?

Hi James:

I beg to differ on the cordless/wireless phone issue. A Canadian company by
the name of Rogers AT&T Wireless developed and marketed them to the buying
PUBLIC in 1985. Soooo, since SHADO was more advanced than the regular world,
cordless phones might have already been a reality for them. The reason I
know this about Rogers? My publication is doing a corporate supplement on
Rogers and their cordless phones were in development several years before
they could market them!

Regs, Pam
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>From: James Gibbon <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: What are the chances of a new UFO series?
>Date: Tue, Oct 31, 2000, 3:29 PM
>

"Pam McCaughey" wrote:

Hi Pam,

I remember seeing one myself for the first time on a train in
1987.
It was enormous, more like an army field telephone and had a lead
-acid battery the size of a small briefcase.

Cheers!
James

James, I think we're getting into a bit of nitpicking here on the cordless
phone issue (altho Star Trek has been dissected in those "Nitpickers' Guide
Books in publication, right?). Star Trek neatly skirted the issue of why
the Klingons in Kirk's time didn't have the thick wrinkled foreheads like
Worf did in ST:TNG and the fans haven't had a coniption fit over it. I think
the phone matter is MUCH smaller and any new fans of UFO (should a newer
version be produced) might not even be aware of some of these techno-gadget
hassles. Certainly, ST technology has been hotly debated for decades (i.e.
the transporter, warp engines, et al) and the fans still love the show, so I
don't think questions about the technology or clothing degrades the viewing
pleasure of the fans. In fact, there has always been a humourous query about
why ST uniforms never had pockets in them! Gotta run - it's Halloween night
and we'll soon ave trick or treaters at our door - Just as an aside, I wore
my ST Capt Picard uniform to work today, complete with comm-badge that
works, Bajoran earring, and my PlayMates tricorder, got a variety of
reactions! Ciao for now! Pam
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>From: James Gibbon <[hidden email]>
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [SHADO] What are the chances of a new UFO series?
>Date: Tue, Oct 31, 2000, 3:35 PM
>

>Hi Anthony - the key to "glossing over" some of these techno-wonders is to
>accept that SHADO had them BEFORE the rest of the world did! - As for
Space:
>1999 - let's not even go there - I bet Martin Landau never puts it on his
>resume..........echh.


Ha! Martin did a terrific job saying very nice things about Space 1999 on
a recent 20/20 Millenium report around the end of December 1999 and January
2000 (I have it on tape somewhere, Martin is wearing his giant old man
Glasses!)

The guy who leaves 1999 of his resume is Tony Anholt! : -)


>Pam McCaughey

Hi All, Hi James,

James wrote:

>audience will have lived through twenty of them! And of course
>we also know that real life 1980 wasn't very much like UFO's
>version of 1980, and not only because of the absence of invaders

Hey, you wouldn't have noticed said invaders since SHADO 1980 contained the
problem in the exact same way the TV series did :-)

> >from another world. No widespread adoption of nehru jackets
>as business clothes, no jet-powered futuristic cars, etc etc,
>not to mention some of the technology like the mobile rocket
>launcher seen in The Long Sleep.

That's no problem really. I'm sure the youngsters of today, the potential
UFO2-watchers, wouldn't know much about 1980 clothing. There seems such a
variety of fashion all the time that I never know what is fashion and what
isn't (I ignore fashion as a rule) and I'm sure one could easily miss a
trend somewhere. Especially in business fashion (if such a fashion exists :-)
And the same goes for technology. Some of what we saw in the 1980 UFO (such
as the cars) could have been prototypes which the SHADO personnel were
testing out. Besides, the SHADO crowd were into making movies, one can
expect just about anything from people in the movie business. Cordless
phones, for instance (which are mentioned in another email) seem to have
been on the scene forever, but in the early days they were so expensive
that the ordinary citizen couldn't afford them so one wouldn't have seen
them about except in the homes of the very rich and the offices of rich
companies such as the movie industry.
As to weapons, who is to say just what the army or AF used in 1980? The
general public won't, that's for sure.

One wonders how eventual UFO2 programme makers would depict Earth anno 2010
or 2011. It wouldn't be as colourful as the scenes in Ordeal, I'm sure...
But setting an eventual UFO2 series in the future wouldn't be necessary,
would it? Plenty of technology about already, lots of which we don't know
it exists since it's either classified or still in experimental stages.
Since rumours exist that the space programme as we see it on TV is a
smokescreen and that our technology is in reality much further advanced
(and that some of the UFOs observed are our own craft), there would be no
problem in setting a series with a MoonBase - and more importantly, a
MarsBase, of course :-) - and loads of lovely space vehicles in today's
world, rather than tomorrow's (or next decade's)

I'm sure a UFO2 would be possible, keeping more or less the same premise.
One could have a couple of the old characters there in an advisory
capacity, but the majority of the cast should be young and goodlooking,
else the series wouldn't get many people watching it....

BTW, I saw the first minutes of one of the Thunderbird eps the other day.
It had a rather silly-looking UFO and two aliens that seemed to have green
skins underneath the whatever-it-was covering their faces (looked like the
'skin' of a brown teddybear). And those aliens DID talk :-)
I doubt a UFO2 could get away with non-talking aliens. More's the pity.
What's the betting they'll speak American? All aliens seem to nowadays... :-)

BTW, some years ago I encountered a site about engines running on water. I
was looking for it the other day - I don't suppose anyone here would know
where to find it? (Or another site on the subject). I'm sure that in 10
years from now we'll either have destroyed nature entirely (and be in the
same position the UFO-aliens are in, with a planet dangerously low on
resources) or we'll all be using natural sources for energy as much as
possible. The oil companies surely can't delay progress in that field forever?
If they were to set an eventual UFO2 some 10 years from now, they could
have fun with water-engines, solar-power heated houses and cars, and have
these (and other) technologies as producing enough power to make real (as
in fast and powerful) airplanes work. (The solar power aircraft Centurion
was developed by NASA and Aerovironment Inc (http://www.aerovironment.com/)
and flew in 1997, but their first solar power plane flew in 1981. The
Centurion, aka the Flying Wing, was later replaced by the Pathfinder and
more recently the Helios.)

CU

Lieve


Col. Lieve Peten, Commander MarsBase - Mailto:[hidden email]

"That's what life is all about, I guess - The things we never say."
Cmdr. Ed Straker, UFO Series, Subsmash episode.

SHADO/UFO pages : http://shado.simplenet.com/aspects
MarsBase/UFO: http://shado.iwarp.com

Lieve writes:
>But setting an eventual UFO2 series in the future wouldn't be necessary,
>would it?

You see, this is the danger when you start thinking about remaking an
old series. You start throwing out seemingly unnecessary elements
from the original series that may have actually been very important
to the appeal of the original series. For me, the placing of UFO "in
the future" was an essential element of the series, and should not be
eliminated. I would suggest that like the old series, the new series
should show all sorts of cool things that will be available in the
future, and present "the future" as something to really look forward
to.

--
Marc Martin, [hidden email]

WOW! I'm very into everything Lieve had to say in the last e-mail! Very
true! I've set my own story plot in the yr 2000 which is supposedly 20 yrs
AFTER the original series was taking place. I also LOVE the idea of a Mars
base - it makes sense to put SHADO that much closer to detecting aliens
approaching our system, plus sending out long-range probes, etc to make
contact with OTHER aliens who might be peaceful and even come to earth's
defence - now there's a little wrinkle I bet nobody's come up with yet!
Remember SETI? What if it was partly funded by SHADO but the folks involved
didn't know that? Or what if SHADO had their own SETI project going? All
fuel for an updated series, eh wot?

The Straker quote Lieve added to bottom of the last e-mail from Sub-Smash
was very true for all of life! The UFO writers often got into some very
metaphysical ideas, not to mention some highly creative ones. Let's get
proactive about finding a means to get either a UFO2 movie or series made.
If ST fans can do it, can't we?

Ciao folks! Pam

"Pam McCaughey" wrote:
> WOW! I'm very into everything Lieve had to say in the last e-mail! Very
> true! I've set my own story plot in the yr 2000 which is supposedly 20 yrs
> AFTER the original series was taking place. I also LOVE the idea of a Mars
> base - it makes sense to put SHADO that much closer to detecting aliens
> approaching our system

Hi Pam,

Just a brief comment/question about a Marsbase - why would it
necessarily be closer?!! Given that Mars has a different orbit
than Earth, for months at a time it would be further away from
the Alien planet than Earth. And since the Aliens seem to
have pretty good intelligence about SHADO activities, they'd
doubtless know all about it, and just avoid it altogether!
Even when Mars is between Earth and the Alien homeworld, they
could just give it a wide berth. The same argument holds
true, to a lesser extent, for a Moonbase actually! :)

Don't mind me .. just love to nitpick .. :)

James

James writes:
>Just a brief comment/question about a Marsbase - why would it
>necessarily be closer?!! Given that Mars has a different orbit
>than Earth, for months at a time it would be further away from
>the Alien planet than Earth.

Couldn't the same argument be made about the moon? When
the UFO's are coming to Earth, I always get the impression
that they pass by the moon to get to the Earth. However,
it would seem that in "the real world" the moon would often
be further away than the Earth...

--
Marc Martin, [hidden email]

Marc Martin wrote:
Absolutely! In fact I think I did make that argument, in the
same mail .. :)

It is interesting that Moonbase always seems to be the first
line of defence. I guess the idea must have been, the Moon
is in space, so it must be closer to the Alien's planet ..

James

Marc wrote:

> Couldn't the same argument be made about the moon? When
> the UFO's are coming to Earth, I always get the impression
> that they pass by the moon to get to the Earth. However,
> it would seem that in "the real world" the moon would often
> be further away than the Earth...
>

Hi Marc, yep I dare say the same argument could be made about
the moon .. actually I made it later on in the same mail :)

It's interesting that the moon always seems to be the first
line of defence. I think the writers must have had the idea
that since the Moon is in space, and the Aliens' planet is
in space as well, the Moon must be closer to it than Earth ..

James

Don't the moonbase girls occasional make reference to UFOs being on an
"anti-lunar trajectory"? Would this equate to "those sneaky bastards are
coming in while the moon is on the opposite side of the Earth"?

Marc wrote:

> Couldn't the same argument be made about the moon? When
> the UFO's are coming to Earth, I always get the impression
> that they pass by the moon to get to the Earth. However,
> it would seem that in "the real world" the moon would often
> be further away than the Earth...
>


"One can never have too many Giant Robots".

Jason.


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--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote:
> It's interesting that the moon always seems to be the first
> line of defence. I think the writers must have had the idea
> that since the Moon is in space, and the Aliens' planet is
> in space as well, the Moon must be closer to it than Earth ..

But Earth also is in space.

--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote:

> Just a brief comment/question about a Marsbase - why would it
> necessarily be closer?!! Given that Mars has a different orbit
> than Earth, for months at a time it would be further away from
> the Alien planet than Earth. ...

> Don't mind me .. just love to nitpick .. :)

That logical flaw that James Gibbon found isn't a nit, it's more like
an Aepyornis egg. A SHADO base on Mars would serve only thus:-
(0) To defend any Earth interests on or near Mars.
(1) To stop the aliens from setting up a base on Mars.
(2) If SHADO had long-range spacecraft, as a base in a shallower
gravity well than on Earth and more able to become self-supporting
than on the Moon.
(3) Being a long way away from Earth, less likely to be accidentally
found out about by Earth-based astronomers etc.

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> ... it would seem that in "the real world" the moon would often
> be further away than the Earth...

Perhaps the aliens when coming to Earth preferred to "whiplash" close
round the Moon to slow down, to save their UFOs' motors from excess
wear.

Marc wrote

At 15:28 1/11/00 -0800, you wrote:
>James writes:
> >Just a brief comment/question about a Marsbase - why would it
> >necessarily be closer?!! Given that Mars has a different orbit
> >than Earth, for months at a time it would be further away from
> >the Alien planet than Earth.

Actually I suggested a MarsBase because my UFO site is called MarsBase,
it's not a practical suggestion at all, it was a mere joke. (I never expect
to be taken seriously on a list about a sci-fi programme :-)


>Couldn't the same argument be made about the moon? When
>the UFO's are coming to Earth, I always get the impression
>that they pass by the moon to get to the Earth. However,
>it would seem that in "the real world" the moon would often
>be further away than the Earth...

True, but starting off from the Moon with spacecraft they can get places
quicker than when starting off from Earth since the atmosphere on the Moon
is practically non-existent and the gravity of the Moon is less than Earth's.
Apart from that, we all know that the Hubble telescope gives a lot of good
results that could never be observed from Earth due to the atmosphere being
a lot thinner where it's stationed. Of course, that's visual stuff, as is
the fact that MoonBase is (at least I think it is) not in the sunny but on
the dark side of the Moon, which means they have an unobstructed view,
unhampered by light. But visual observation is part of things, isn't it,
very handy if electronics don't work or are switched off (as happened in
one of the eps)
Quite apart from which, we all know UFOs always pass by MoonBase before
going to Earth, this custom dates back to that first documentary shown on
Alienwold about Shado, in which Lt. Ellis (and her legs) were prominent :-)

CU

Lieve



Col. Lieve Peten, Commander MarsBase - Mailto:[hidden email]

"That's what life is all about, I guess - The things we never say."
Cmdr. Ed Straker, UFO Series, Subsmash episode.

SHADO/UFO pages : http://shado.simplenet.com/aspects
MarsBase/UFO: http://shado.iwarp.com

[hidden email] wrote:
> --- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote:
> > It's interesting that the moon always seems to be the first
> > line of defence. I think the writers must have had the idea
> > that since the Moon is in space, and the Aliens' planet is
> > in space as well, the Moon must be closer to it than Earth ..
>
> But Earth also is in space.
>

Exactly my point! The writers didn't quite seem to say it that
way, is my guess.

James

Hi All,
new additions on UFO Merchandise Collection pages.
Article about japanese UFO models and toys on Hiper Hobby japanese magazine.
http://195.62.233.12/jap_print_miscell.htm
The SFX Issue 70 report still the ad about the Fanderson Convention CENTURY
21.
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James? wrote:

> > Just a brief comment/question about a Marsbase - why would it
> > necessarily be closer?!! Given that Mars has a different orbit
> > than Earth, for months at a time it would be further away from
> > the Alien planet than Earth. ...

Hang on, isn't the alien planet supposed to be in another solar system?
If the UFOs are travelling at Sol8 etc then they aren't just doing a little
romp around our solar system at that speed.

John D'Alton Infosystems Innovator, Network Overdrive
[hidden email]

I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.

-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

Lieve wrote:
> Actually I suggested a MarsBase because my UFO site is called MarsBase,
> it's not a practical suggestion at all, it was a mere joke. (I never
expect
> to be taken seriously on a list about a sci-fi programme :-)

Well for one thing, it's actually a very good idea as it's a reasonably
habitable base for defense in depth given a solar system like ours, even
with Mars being the opposite side of the solar system half the time. And
secondly, I like living here.

> >Couldn't the same argument be made about the moon? When
> >the UFO's are coming to Earth, I always get the impression
> >that they pass by the moon to get to the Earth. However,
> >it would seem that in "the real world" the moon would often
> >be further away than the Earth...

No, only half the time, and anyhow, the 250,ooo km from earth to moon is
nothing after doing Sol8 for days or weeks- ie travelling light weeks is
millions of times further.

> True, but starting off from the Moon with spacecraft they can get places
> quicker than when starting off from Earth since the atmosphere on the
Moon
> is practically non-existent and the gravity of the Moon is less than
Earth's.

Correct.

> Apart from that, we all know that the Hubble telescope gives a lot of
good
> results that could never be observed from Earth due to the atmosphere
being
> a lot thinner where it's stationed. Of course, that's visual stuff, as is

> the fact that MoonBase is (at least I think it is) not in the sunny but
on
> the dark side of the Moon,

Not true- there's a side that always faces away from Earth, but it faces
the sun 50% of time just like earth does. We see several sunrises in UFO
that the UFOs use to disguise their attacks.

Sorry to have to correct you here Commander- we'll leave Earth PR with you,
and you leave the physics with us down in mars-sublevel 14 <vbg>

Also hoping for non-American speaking aliens in UFO2 as I already see so
many of them on TV. <g>

John D'Alton Infosystems Innovator, Network Overdrive
[hidden email]

I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.

-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey