new story

Hello!  Just wanted to let you know that my second story in the Gaia Series is now online at My UFO Stories website.  It's called "Another Fairy Tale" and can be found here:
http://denisefelt.weebly.com/2-another-fairy-tale.html

The tagline reads: "When the commander goes missing during an alien attack, his command staff fear the worst."

(And before you ask; yes, there will be at least one more story in this series -- maybe many more.) *grin*

Enjoy!
Denise

New: A second speculative history for Straker taking into account what was
in the ribbon array on the uniform seen in Identified:
http://www.shadolibrary.org/ops/straker/indexc.shtml

Also Yuchtar has two new stories listed in the Library and they are also
available as PDFs.

Notice: these are both adult only, but you don't have to sign up or sign in
to read them.



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Thanks, Deb, for taking the time to work all these conflicting time elements out.  It's so cool to see the big picture!

And Yuchy,
I thoroughly enjoyed your romps!  So good to see you writing again!  Keep it up!
Yours,
Denise

--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:

Deb

Enjoyable read concerning Straker's History...I particularly like reference to Straker having seen conflict during the C20th forgotten war Korea!!

Always
Kerry

--- In [hidden email], "Neesierie" <neesierie@...> wrote:

Well, the Korea and the UN ribbons are both in the ribbon array seen in
Identified. While one could argue that they were there because the costume
department thought they looked good, a few people here have noted that if
Straker was old enough to have served in that war, then his age in 1970
would be fairly reasonable for a full USAF colonel.

BTW, if anyone out there with a military background wants to let me know
if/where I've left out other possibilities, I'd be glad to hear from them.
(Like what he might have been doing in Korea, explaining away that Air Force
Good Conduct Medal - or letting me know that's it's actually okay *grin*.)
And if someone can help ID the two ribbons I can't figure out in the array
from Confetti Check - that would be greatly appreciated as well. (Right hand
side, rows two and three - these are the ones that also appear to have been
repeated.)

 

Thanks in advance.

Deb

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Kerry
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 2:44 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

 

 

Deb

Enjoyable read concerning Straker's History...I particularly like reference
to Straker having seen conflict during the C20th forgotten war Korea!!

Always
Kerry

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Neesierie"
<neesierie@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Deb, for taking the time to work all these conflicting time
elements out. It's so cool to see the big picture!
>
> And Yuchy,
> I thoroughly enjoyed your romps! So good to see you writing again! Keep it
up!
> Yours,
> Denise
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Deborah
Rorabaugh" <momkat@> wrote:
> >
> > New: A second speculative history for Straker taking into account what
was
> > in the ribbon array on the uniform seen in Identified:
> > http://www.shadolibrary.org/ops/straker/indexc.shtml
> >
> > Also Yuchtar has two new stories listed in the Library and they are also
> > available as PDFs.
> >
> > Notice: these are both adult only, but you don't have to sign up or sign
in
> > to read them.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>





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Deborah Rorabaugh wrote:

> (Like what he might have been doing in Korea, explaining away that Air Force
> Good Conduct Medal - or letting me know that's it's actually okay *grin*.)

Well, only enlisted personnel can get a Good Conduct Medal, so that
would suggest he was enlisted first and then went to OCS for his
commissioning.

> And if someone can help ID the two ribbons I can't figure out in the array
> from Confetti Check - that would be greatly appreciated as well. (Right hand
> side, rows two and three - these are the ones that also appear to have been
> repeated.)

Oh, I forgot, I was working on that for you. I got interrupted and
forgot all about it. Sorry. I'll get back on it. Can't get as clear a
screen shot from that episode as I got from Identified, though.

Y



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I wondered about him going through OCS, but we were told he had a degree in
astrophysics - and that's a four-year degree. Now I know some guys with
degrees turned down being given a commission because they didn't want the
responsibility - but that doesn't sound like Straker. And if he wanted to go
into the astronaut corps from early on, he would have needed to be an
officer so he could become a pilot.

Just thinking aloud here:

Maybe he got out of college early (say got out of high school at 16, out of
college at 19 and had to go in as an enlisted man due to his (lack of) age.
Went through OCS for commissioning at 21. That does work, especially if he
had been advised that people who already had their Masters were considered
too specialized for the US Military's taste, and so decided that he'd worry
about any higher level degrees later. That also has the added advantage than
when his career is referred to in the press as part of his biography, what
they're likely to say is something like 'retired as a Colonel after a
distinguished 20 year career in the USAF'. If his age isn't mentioned, then
nobody would be likely to notice that he was several years younger than any
of his peers.

 

I do have a fair screen shot of that medal array on both history pages. I
also have graphic versions of them as well - although the colors may be off.
On one I made the end-stripes white, but they could be yellow. But I
couldn't ID them with either color. I'm thinking those two are European, not
American, and may actually date from WWII - since some of the other ones on
that array date from that time.

I want to say that somebody goofed and gave Straker Henderson's ribbons in
that episode but with the two repeated ribbons I think we have to just admit
the people in costume just plain goofed.

 

 

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Yuchtar
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:48 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

 

 



Deborah Rorabaugh wrote:

> (Like what he might have been doing in Korea, explaining away that Air
Force
> Good Conduct Medal - or letting me know that's it's actually okay *grin*.)

Well, only enlisted personnel can get a Good Conduct Medal, so that
would suggest he was enlisted first and then went to OCS for his
commissioning.

> And if someone can help ID the two ribbons I can't figure out in the array
> from Confetti Check - that would be greatly appreciated as well. (Right
hand
> side, rows two and three - these are the ones that also appear to have
been
> repeated.)

Oh, I forgot, I was working on that for you. I got interrupted and
forgot all about it. Sorry. I'll get back on it. Can't get as clear a
screen shot from that episode as I got from Identified, though.

Y

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youhave to be a capt. in the air force to be a group commander, col. full bird. is that group commander rank. so, capts in the air force can easily be 35 years old. and like i said about the blue angels, if you are a hotshot for some reason, and assigned to command a special flight group, you could be a full bird from that at 34-38 without sweating any regs, or details.
i also found out that if your father was killed while you were an officer in the service, and he was killed while you were in service, and your record was in good standing that you could wear his ribbons for several years as an memoriam to his service.
jim

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011


 
I wondered about him going through OCS, but we were told he had a degree in
astrophysics - and that's a four-year degree. Now I know some guys with
degrees turned down being given a commission because they didn't want the
responsibility - but that doesn't sound like Straker. And if he wanted to go
into the astronaut corps from early on, he would have needed to be an
officer so he could become a pilot.

Just thinking aloud here:

Maybe he got out of college early (say got out of high school at 16, out of
college at 19 and had to go in as an enlisted man due to his (lack of) age.
Went through OCS for commissioning at 21. That does work, especially if he
had been advised that people who already had their Masters were considered
too specialized for the US Military's taste, and so decided that he'd worry
about any higher level degrees later. That also has the added advantage than
when his career is referred to in the press as part of his biography, what
they're likely to say is something like 'retired as a Colonel after a
distinguished 20 year career in the USAF'. If his age isn't mentioned, then
nobody would be likely to notice that he was several years younger than any
of his peers.

I do have a fair screen shot of that medal array on both history pages. I
also have graphic versions of them as well - although the colors may be off.
On one I made the end-stripes white, but they could be yellow. But I
couldn't ID them with either color. I'm thinking those two are European, not
American, and may actually date from WWII - since some of the other ones on
that array date from that time.

I want to say that somebody goofed and gave Straker Henderson's ribbons in
that episode but with the two repeated ribbons I think we have to just admit
the people in costume just plain goofed.

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Yuchtar
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:48 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

Deborah Rorabaugh wrote:

> (Like what he might have been doing in Korea, explaining away that Air
Force
> Good Conduct Medal - or letting me know that's it's actually okay *grin*.)

Well, only enlisted personnel can get a Good Conduct Medal, so that
would suggest he was enlisted first and then went to OCS for his
commissioning.

> And if someone can help ID the two ribbons I can't figure out in the array
> from Confetti Check - that would be greatly appreciated as well. (Right
hand
> side, rows two and three - these are the ones that also appear to have
been
> repeated.)

Oh, I forgot, I was working on that for you. I got interrupted and
forgot all about it. Sorry. I'll get back on it. Can't get as clear a
screen shot from that episode as I got from Identified, though.

Y

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Is that wearing ribbons of your Dad a USAF or RAF thing?  If it applies for
the US, then the array with the WWII ribbons could be Straker senior's.
(Although that still doesn't explain the duplicate ribbons.)

For the USAF, the legal requirements for time in rank can, in theory, get a
phenomenally outstanding officer from Commissioning to Colonel in 13.5
years. In reality, I haven't found anybody who made it in less than 20.

Straker could easily have been anywhere between 35 to 40 in 1970 and be
perfectly within the legal requirements for his service.

And just because Bishop was 37-38 at the time of filming certainly doesn't
mean that Straker was 37 in 1980. I've always thought Straker was older than
that - maybe 45 when he met Foster, and probably older than that. Assuming
Straker has excellent genes and excellent health (we know he doesn't lounge
around in the sun *grin*) he could easily be 50+ in 1980 and people would
just comment on how young he looks.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of .
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:48 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

 

 

youhave to be a capt. in the air force to be a group commander, col. full
bird. is that group commander rank. so, capts in the air force can easily be
35 years old. and like i said about the blue angels, if you are a hotshot
for some reason, and assigned to command a special flight group, you could
be a full bird from that at 34-38 without sweating any regs, or details.
i also found out that if your father was killed while you were an officer in
the service, and he was killed while you were in service, and your record
was in good standing that you could wear his ribbons for several years as an
memoriam to his service.
jim

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
>
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

 
I wondered about him going through OCS, but we were told he had a degree in
astrophysics - and that's a four-year degree. Now I know some guys with
degrees turned down being given a commission because they didn't want the
responsibility - but that doesn't sound like Straker. And if he wanted to go
into the astronaut corps from early on, he would have needed to be an
officer so he could become a pilot.

Just thinking aloud here:

Maybe he got out of college early (say got out of high school at 16, out of
college at 19 and had to go in as an enlisted man due to his (lack of) age.
Went through OCS for commissioning at 21. That does work, especially if he
had been advised that people who already had their Masters were considered
too specialized for the US Military's taste, and so decided that he'd worry
about any higher level degrees later. That also has the added advantage than
when his career is referred to in the press as part of his biography, what
they're likely to say is something like 'retired as a Colonel after a
distinguished 20 year career in the USAF'. If his age isn't mentioned, then
nobody would be likely to notice that he was several years younger than any
of his peers.

I do have a fair screen shot of that medal array on both history pages. I
also have graphic versions of them as well - although the colors may be off.
On one I made the end-stripes white, but they could be yellow. But I
couldn't ID them with either color. I'm thinking those two are European, not
American, and may actually date from WWII - since some of the other ones on
that array date from that time.

I want to say that somebody goofed and gave Straker Henderson's ribbons in
that episode but with the two repeated ribbons I think we have to just admit
the people in costume just plain goofed.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Yuchtar
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 10:48 PM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

Deborah Rorabaugh wrote:

> (Like what he might have been doing in Korea, explaining away that Air
Force
> Good Conduct Medal - or letting me know that's it's actually okay *grin*.)

Well, only enlisted personnel can get a Good Conduct Medal, so that
would suggest he was enlisted first and then went to OCS for his
commissioning.

> And if someone can help ID the two ribbons I can't figure out in the array
> from Confetti Check - that would be greatly appreciated as well. (Right
hand
> side, rows two and three - these are the ones that also appear to have
been
> repeated.)

Oh, I forgot, I was working on that for you. I got interrupted and
forgot all about it. Sorry. I'll get back on it. Can't get as clear a
screen shot from that episode as I got from Identified, though.

Y

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--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:

> And just because Bishop was 37-38 at the time of filming certainly doesn't
> mean that Straker was 37 in 1980. I've always thought Straker was older than
> that - maybe 45 when he met Foster, and probably older than that. Assuming
> Straker has excellent genes and excellent health (we know he doesn't lounge
> around in the sun *grin*) he could easily be 50+ in 1980 and people would
> just comment on how young he looks.

Deb,
Yeah, but readers tend to get upset when you write him anywhere close to 50 (unless you're doing what Pam does and showing him YEARS after the series.)  In one story I wrote him as 49 and got lots of comments about that.  It surprised me, because I didn't see that as something farfetched.  He's not a youngster, after all!  But the readers seem to have a problem with it.  Just FYI.
Yours,
Denise

I don't understand that at all. People started taking better care of themselves in the 70's and 80's. I've known many people who look much younger than they are. (Clean living does have it's advantages. *snicker*) I don't see a 50 year old Straker as being outside the realm of possiblity.

Case in point, when the guys at work saw my wedding pic, they asked me if I robbed the cradle! (Sue is five years older than I am. *grin*) Then again, I'm often told that I don't look my age either, or act it. :)

Matt :)

Well, Alec is only 29

:)


On 3 Aug 2011, at 15:52, Matt wrote:

> I don't understand that at all. People started taking better care of themselves in the 70's and 80's. I've known many people who look much younger than they are. (Clean living does have it's advantages. *snicker*) I don't see a 50 year old Straker as being outside the realm of possiblity.
>
> Case in point, when the guys at work saw my wedding pic, they asked me if I robbed the cradle! (Sue is five years older than I am. *grin*) Then again, I'm often told that I don't look my age either, or act it. :)
>
> Matt :)
>
>


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I admit that in my own body of work I have Straker as early to mid forties.
Still very young for his rank in 1970, and still older than Bishop, but not
all that much older. But to make that work I also completely disregarded the
ribbon array from Identified.

If we want to accept that array as canon instead of a blooper, then there's
no real choice but to say that Straker is either much older that he appears
OR the history of that universe is so different from our own that almost
nothing of the real world applies - and I'm sure that's not what Anderson
and his writers meant or wanted when (in theory) to get from the reality of
1969 to SHADO's 1980 simply *grin* required that humankind's push into space
continue internationally instead of pretty much stopping when the US got
bored.

There's no real reason to believe that the history of that world varies all
that much from our own prior to the first Moonwalk. I mean, there are some
obvious differences like UFOs attacking the planet, but overall events
probably played out much the same over time. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam,
civil rights in the US, Kennedy, etc.

Bentley actually put together a very nice back-history for that world in his
intro to the SHADO Organization in the *Complete Book of UFO*.

 

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Neesierie
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:20 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

 

 

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Deborah
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:

> And just because Bishop was 37-38 at the time of filming certainly doesn't
> mean that Straker was 37 in 1980. I've always thought Straker was older
than
> that - maybe 45 when he met Foster, and probably older than that. Assuming
> Straker has excellent genes and excellent health (we know he doesn't
lounge
> around in the sun *grin*) he could easily be 50+ in 1980 and people would
> just comment on how young he looks.

Deb,
Yeah, but readers tend to get upset when you write him anywhere close to 50
(unless you're doing what Pam does and showing him YEARS after the series.)
In one story I wrote him as 49 and got lots of comments about that. It
surprised me, because I didn't see that as something farfetched. He's not a
youngster, after all! But the readers seem to have a problem with it. Just
FYI.
Yours,
Denise





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In which case, he certainly has had a hard life. ;)
Sewell was 46.

-----Original Message-----
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Grant Wray
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:57 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: New in the Library 7/31/2011

Well, Alec is only 29

:)


On 3 Aug 2011, at 15:52, Matt wrote:

> I don't understand that at all. People started taking better care of
themselves in the 70's and 80's. I've known many people who look much
younger than they are. (Clean living does have it's advantages. *snicker*) I
don't see a 50 year old Straker as being outside the realm of possiblity.
>
> Case in point, when the guys at work saw my wedding pic, they asked me if
I robbed the cradle! (Sue is five years older than I am. *grin*) Then again,
I'm often told that I don't look my age either, or act it. :)
>
> Matt :)
>
>


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>
> Well, Alec is only 29
>
> :)
>

Excessive consumption of alcohol can lead to rapid aging, and other undesireable effects. *grin*

So am I. BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Y, giggling ...



Grant Wray wrote:

> Well, Alec is only 29
>
> :)


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So is my mother in law. *grin* (At least that's what she keeps telling us!)

--- In [hidden email], Yuchtar <yuchtr@...> wrote:

New and revised histories for Alec Freeman.

Version 1: http://www.shadolibrary.org/ops/freeman/history_a.shtml (Alec
born in 1931)

Version 2: http://www.shadolibrary.org/ops/freeman/history_b.shtml (Alec
born in 1927)

The two versions correspond with the two versions of Straker's history.

 

The second version may have Freeman as a little TOO old. But then so does
the second version of Straker.

 

 



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