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jamesgibbon
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> No, it's established Straker's been living in England for several
> years, married an English woman, may have been stationed on some
> AF base there in Intelligence. He would have naturally picked up
> expressions like that. He indeed uses a lot of British expressions
> and British patterns of speech throughout the series. One is
> 'bloody-minded' where Americans would use 'stubborn'

Good point, that's true. Never really noticed that actually,
probably because I'm English. All the same - while it fits very
well it's probably just a happy accident, a consequence of the
scripts being written by British people.

> Where does the expression 'he's out of it' originate from in
> England, do you know? I believe that the expression 'buying the
> farm' 'or he bought the farm' may have come from wartime.

I don't know .. although it's not only used to denote death, it's
also commonly used to describe unconsciousness, either from (say) a
serious blow to the head (like 'out cold') or from excessive
consumption of alcohol, in which case it can also be used to
describe a state of 'semi-consciousness'.

Slang expressions often mutate into wider meanings. At my last
job, in an American firm, 'buying the farm' used to mean 'getting
fired' - a frequently encountered occupational hazard of working in
IT in a financial organisation where mistakes cost large sums of
money.
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Griff!
Do you own a farm James... ;)

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<At my last job, in an American firm, 'buying the farm' used to mean
'getting fired' - a frequently encountered occupational hazard of working in
IT in a financial organisation where mistakes cost large sums of money.>
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J Ramage
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>> Where does the expression 'he's out of it' originate from in
> England, do you know? I believe that the expression 'buying the
> farm' 'or he bought the farm' may have come from wartime.

I have four books on word and phrase origins and none of them list these
phrases. What value for money those were! My favourite phrase from my area
for dying has to be 'popped his clogs', which my mum uses frequently. God
knows where that's from.

Jess