what about ufo

It WAS successful enough, there WAS a second season...it just took  
way too long and was fiddled with too much by too many. It was going  
to be called UFO:1999, but they changed that too ultimately.

On Apr 26, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Matt wrote:

> UFO had a relatively small following in every country it was shown,  
> had it been a super hit, I'm quite sure Gerry and the crew would  
> have pushed forward with season two.



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--- In [hidden email], "Alan Lewis" <zen18531@...> wrote:

> Slippery slope. Where do you stop...

Alan,
Slippery slope indeed.  But I agree with Pam that UFO was never meant to be PC television.  It breaks all the rules -- and for a reason.  That's why we love it so much!  Make it PC and no one will like it, not even the "masses" it would be made to please because it would have lost its point.  Geographically, you can't just blame Hollywood for dumbed down shows, since New York also cranks them out by the dozens.  But it can't be denied -- even by Americans -- that the dumbing down is going on and has been for many years.  The best we can do is to show our disgust by the lack of ticket sales at the box office, which is the only thing that the execs will understand.  Unfortunately, far too many people the world over are willing to plop down the coinage for a stupid movie. So it's doubtful that Hollywood or New York will get the message any time soon.  I hope UFO gets made into a good movie.  I hope it stays true to the original in plot and characterization.  But then, like Straker I'm an optimist. *grin*
Yours,
Denise

Yeah, Abrams' Star Trek was such a failure. I'm sure most directors would
love to have failures like his: it made much more money than was spent
making it (box office gross was $385M while budget was $140M, does not
include sales of DVDs and tie-ins), it garnered a 95% approval on Rotten
Tomatoes, and was nominated for 4 Academy awards. It was such a failure
that 2 sequels are already planned and budgeted with Abrams at the helm
(next one is slated for release in May 2013).

--
Mario

http://mario.silent-tower.org/


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A voice of reason, thank you.

Bruce

From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:40 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: what about ufo

 
Cultural differences have absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. You would think that after six thousand some years of global conflict we would have learned that lesson by now.







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I guess you didn’t hear this one.  Someone complained that Cameron got the stars wrong in the original movie, so when he re-released in 3D, he fixed it.  I found that humorous :)

Bruce

From: Pam McCaughey
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:32 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: what about ufo

 


I will say this: British made historical drama is often THE best made in terms of accuracy. This applies to case in point: movie "A Night To Remember" vs "Titanic". While James Cameron (who is a Canadian BTW) got the forensic aspects of the sinking itself down pat, he ruined the screen play with his stoooopid Jack-Rose love story - there were plenty of REAL love stories on board the ill fated liner without creating a bogus one.








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I remember a line spoken by George C Scott playing Patton, in the movie of
the same name.

Britain and the United States are two people separated by a common language.

Different cultures.  Not one culture dumber then another one, just
different.

Even here in the United States, we are different cultures.  Ask for a
certain type of sandwich, it’s a hero, some place else, it’s a sub.  That
doesn’t make someone who calls it a Hero smarter or dumber then someone who
calls it a Sub.

This has got to be the most stupidest thread I have read here on Yahoogroups
ever.  Talk about ignorance.  This isn't cultural difference, but ignorance,
or even lack of active brain cells by some.

Ok, someone posted this....

La Femme Nikita (1990, French original) vs. Point of No Return (1993, US
remake)
Nattevagten (1994, Danish original) vs. Nightwatch (1997, US remake)
Trois Hommes et un couffin (1985, French original) vs. Three Men and a Baby
(1987, US remake)
The Avengers (1960s, British original) vs. The Avengers (1998, US remake)

Lets talk about that US remake of the Avengers.. where it was filmed


Filming locations for
The Avengers (1998) More at IMDbPro »
Albert R. Broccoli 007 Stage, Pinewood Studios, Iver Heath, Buckinghamshire,
England, UK (studio) (interiors: Sir August Winter's weather machine)
Bicester, Oxfordshire, England, UK
Blenheim Palace, Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England, UK (exteriors of
Hallucinogen Hall)
East Grinstead, West Sussex, England, UK
Hambledon, Hampshire, England, UK (Ministry test village)
Hatfield House, Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England, UK (Hallucinogen Hall)
London, England, UK
Old Royal Naval College, Greenwich, London, England, UK (World Council HQ)
Pinewood Studios, Iver Heath, Buckinghamshire, England, UK (studio)
RAF Little Rissington, Gloucestershire, England, UK (disused RAF base for
opening sequence)
Radcliffe Camera, Radcliffe Square, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, UK
Regent's Park, London, England, UK
Richard Rogers House, Chelsea, London, England, UK (Emma Peel's flat)
Ridge, Hertsmere, Hertfordshire, England, UK
Shepperton Studios, Shepperton, Surrey, England, UK (studio)
Stowe Castle, Buckinghamshire, England, UK
Syon House, Syon Park, Brentford, Middlesex, England, UK (Hallucinogen Hall)
The Reform Club, Pall Mall, St. James's, London, England, UK (Boodles)
Tram Tunnel, Kingsway, Holborn, London, England, UK
Windsor Great Park, Windsor, Berkshire, England, UK

I don’t see a United States filming location?? I just see England listed
over and over again.  But I guess you really meant a British film made for
an American audience.

As far as the rest.. I guess the whole world must appreciate everything the
same way, who doesn’t is just plain dumb.  Yea, right.


The Prisoner Us remake v The Prisoner UK Original.

IMDB database about The Prisoner 'US' remake

Country:  UK

Geographically, you can't just blame Hollywood for dumbed down shows, since
New York also cranks them out by the dozens.

Law and Order too stupid for you? Don’t like it? Don’t watch it.  There has
been dozens of TV shows that ran on TV that was filmed here in New York,
from The Naked City to Law And Order: SVU.   Someone must enjoy watching it.
Do I call you stupid for not appreciating good TV?  Don’t like it? Don’t use
a paint roller to complain, use a paintbrush and point out specific items.

BTW, I live about 15 minutes from where Ed Bishop was born.



Bottom line, with apologies to Marc, I used to enjoy chatting about UFO on
here, but with the total ignorance of some of the posters on here, I really
don’t feel like chatting anymore on here.

The more ignorant posters in this thread, don’t bother responding to this.
Wonderful thing about email software, you can automatically trash emails
based on a persons email address, even their ip address, so you don’t even
have to bother to hit delete, automatically trashes stupidity for you.

Bruce

> I don’t see a United States filming location?? I just see England listed
> over and over again.  But I guess you really meant a British film made for
> an American audience.

Yes, I was also thinking that some of those "US" remakes weren't
actually made in the US.

But as I recall, UFO was also a British TV series made for an American
audience.  So it would have been "dumbed down" to start with.  :-)

Of course, the quality of any production has mostly to do with the
team who works on them, not what country they are located in.
The team that Gerry Anderson put together in the 1960's was
a pretty good one.

Also, it's interesting to compare UFO with SPACE:1999 Year Two.
There is quite a difference in these series.  And people who don't like
SPACE:1999 Year Two often complain about it being "Americanized".
However, it was still shot in the same place, and the production
team was mostly the same.  I personally think the key
difference was that Sylvia Anderson was involved with UFO,
but not SPACE:1999 Year Two.

Marc

But because the lead actor was born on this side of the pond, they spoke about American dollars, not British Pounds, does that make it dumb?  I guess for some, it does.

Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Marc Martin
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [SHADO] what about ufo


   
  > I don’t see a United States filming location?? I just see England listed
  > over and over again. But I guess you really meant a British film made for
  > an American audience.

  Yes, I was also thinking that some of those "US" remakes weren't
  actually made in the US.

  But as I recall, UFO was also a British TV series made for an American
  audience. So it would have been "dumbed down" to start with. :-)

  Of course, the quality of any production has mostly to do with the
  team who works on them, not what country they are located in.
  The team that Gerry Anderson put together in the 1960's was
  a pretty good one.

  Also, it's interesting to compare UFO with SPACE:1999 Year Two.
  There is quite a difference in these series. And people who don't like
  SPACE:1999 Year Two often complain about it being "Americanized".
  However, it was still shot in the same place, and the production
  team was mostly the same. I personally think the key
  difference was that Sylvia Anderson was involved with UFO,
  but not SPACE:1999 Year Two.

  Marc


 


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--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:
>
> But because the lead actor was born on this side of the pond, they spoke about American dollars, not British Pounds, does that make it dumb?  I guess for some, it does.

Not to butt into what seems to be a contentious topic here, but I always assumed that the reason they spoke of dollars rather than pounds was that in the late sixties, the two countries leading the "space race" were the Soviet Union and America. It may have seemed a logical projection that America would continue to dominate the world economy and that "dollars" would become an international currency ( much as they've tried to do with the "euro" across Europe ). There also seemed to be this same sort of feel in "Doppelganger" and even to a degree in "Thunderbirds.

Obviously this prediction has not turned out to be true ( as has the continued acceptance of smoking and cocktails in the workplace, or Nehru jackets as fashion staples ). America is no longer the leading world economy, nor do we have a thriving space program.

Of course, the practical reason was that Gerry Anderson and Lew Grade were trying to sell their programs to an American network/audience. Hence the preoccupation with American 'lead characters'.

Filming locations have nothing to do with content and execution. That masses of people watch something is no proof of quality. Nor is the nationality of actors by the way (and Bishop chose to stay, marry and live in the UK if we start talking places of birth for any sort of proof).


The "dumbing down" can even be seen - by the way - in one of the single best TV shows ever produced in the USA: Homicide, Life on the Streets.


The first 3 seasons of HLOTS and your example of Law and Order are, for instance, not even in the same league. HLOTS is that much better, it compares to Law and Order like Arthur Miller to Robert E. Howard. It was so much better that it had a set of hardcore, highly intellectual fans which kept it alive but it never appealed to "the masses" (that generalised audience meant in this discussion here with "dumbed down to it"). It was consistently on the brink of being stopped. The hardcore fans lobbied, the producers decided to "make it more appealing to the masses". HLOTS was treated to soppy love-stories and cheating, female detectives in positions of command, more action, more bang-bang, in short, HLOTS was dumbed down. A lot. To the point of being almost mediocre TV-fare. Another equally smart TV production, Stingray out of Stephen Cannell's company, didn't survive more episodes than UFO, yet it was the single best filmed and scripted detective series of
 its time. 

You may deplore that this is being done, but denial isn't going to convince others. It's too blatant. Plus it's also a logical consequence of what is being done when appealing to mass markets.



________________________________
 From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2012, 1:36
Subject: Re: [SHADO] what about ufo
 

 
I remember a line spoken by George C Scott playing Patton, in the movie of
the same name.

Britain and the United States are two people separated by a common language.

Different cultures.  Not one culture dumber then another one, just
different.

Even here in the United States, we are different cultures.  Ask for a
certain type of sandwich, it’s a hero, some place else, it’s a sub.  That
doesn’t make someone who calls it a Hero smarter or dumber then someone who
calls it a Sub.

This has got to be the most stupidest thread I have read here on Yahoogroups
ever.  Talk about ignorance.  This isn't cultural difference, but ignorance,
or even lack of active brain cells by some.

Ok, someone posted this....

La Femme Nikita (1990, French original) vs. Point of No Return (1993, US
remake)
Nattevagten (1994, Danish original) vs. Nightwatch (1997, US remake)
Trois Hommes et un couffin (1985, French original) vs. Three Men and a Baby
(1987, US remake)
The Avengers (1960s, British original) vs. The Avengers (1998, US remake)

Lets talk about that US remake of the Avengers.. where it was filmed

Filming locations for
The Avengers (1998) More at IMDbPro »
Albert R. Broccoli 007 Stage, Pinewood Studios, Iver Heath, Buckinghamshire,
England, UK (studio) (interiors: Sir August Winter's weather machine)
Bicester, Oxfordshire, England, UK
Blenheim Palace, Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England, UK (exteriors of
Hallucinogen Hall)
East Grinstead, West Sussex, England, UK
Hambledon, Hampshire, England, UK (Ministry test village)
Hatfield House, Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England, UK (Hallucinogen Hall)
London, England, UK
Old Royal Naval College, Greenwich, London, England, UK (World Council HQ)
Pinewood Studios, Iver Heath, Buckinghamshire, England, UK (studio)
RAF Little Rissington, Gloucestershire, England, UK (disused RAF base for
opening sequence)
Radcliffe Camera, Radcliffe Square, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, UK
Regent's Park, London, England, UK
Richard Rogers House, Chelsea, London, England, UK (Emma Peel's flat)
Ridge, Hertsmere, Hertfordshire, England, UK
Shepperton Studios, Shepperton, Surrey, England, UK (studio)
Stowe Castle, Buckinghamshire, England, UK
Syon House, Syon Park, Brentford, Middlesex, England, UK (Hallucinogen Hall)
The Reform Club, Pall Mall, St. James's, London, England, UK (Boodles)
Tram Tunnel, Kingsway, Holborn, London, England, UK
Windsor Great Park, Windsor, Berkshire, England, UK

I don’t see a United States filming location?? I just see England listed
over and over again.  But I guess you really meant a British film made for
an American audience.

As far as the rest.. I guess the whole world must appreciate everything the
same way, who doesn’t is just plain dumb.  Yea, right.

The Prisoner Us remake v The Prisoner UK Original.

IMDB database about The Prisoner 'US' remake

Country:  UK

Geographically, you can't just blame Hollywood for dumbed down shows, since
New York also cranks them out by the dozens.

Law and Order too stupid for you? Don’t like it? Don’t watch it.  There has
been dozens of TV shows that ran on TV that was filmed here in New York,
from The Naked City to Law And Order: SVU.   Someone must enjoy watching it.
Do I call you stupid for not appreciating good TV?  Don’t like it? Don’t use
a paint roller to complain, use a paintbrush and point out specific items.

BTW, I live about 15 minutes from where Ed Bishop was born.

Bottom line, with apologies to Marc, I used to enjoy chatting about UFO on
here, but with the total ignorance of some of the posters on here, I really
don’t feel like chatting anymore on here.

The more ignorant posters in this thread, don’t bother responding to this.
Wonderful thing about email software, you can automatically trash emails
based on a persons email address, even their ip address, so you don’t even
have to bother to hit delete, automatically trashes stupidity for you.

Bruce


 

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Hi,

In the following link, I think Mr Redford say's it all...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17851693

Regards,

Griff

--- In [hidden email], andelendir@... wrote:
>
> Filming locations have nothing to do with content and execution...

 I personally think the key

difference was that Sylvia Anderson was involved with UFO,

but not SPACE:1999 Year Two.



Marc

Good point (and dont forget Conan /Fred Freiberger/ the Destroyer)!

All the best,Branko



   
     

   
   






       

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"I personally think the key

difference was that Sylvia Anderson was involved with UFO,

but not SPACE:1999 Year Two.

Marc"
 
This brings up a point I forgot to put in my introduction. I mentioned that "Space:1999" is my favorite Anderson series, but I forgot to mention that I much prefer series one over series two. While I enjoy series two for what it is ( not much choice at this point ), I really do prefer the overall mood, feel, music, and tone of year one.
 
I wish that if they had wanted to jazz up 1999 year two and make it more action oriented, that Freiberger had watched 'UFO' for inspiration. 'UFO' was a more action oriented and less metaphysical series than 'Space:1999' year one, but at least ( 98.5% of the time ) the stories made sense and weren't laced with forced humor ( 1999 year two may be the perfect example of the percieved "dumbing down" of  shows for Americans, that folks here have been arguing about . I'm an American and when year two was on I was an adolescent, and even then I thought it was juvenile compared to year one ).
 
On a different subject; I just got my Dinky "Ed Straker's Car" with box ( both in good shape ) from the ebay auction I won last week. A little paint rub off, but overall very nice, and I got it for about $50.00 U.S. including shipping! The next closest example on there was in far worse condition without box, and that one started at $78.00 w/o shipping ( of course there was a mint one with box starting at $280.00, but that's quite a bit too dear for that particular toy ).

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