If there ever was a UFO episode that was eviscerated by
editing on the SciFi channel, it would have to be AQOP. I was amazed at how many different scenes took place in the original teaser sequence, and these scenes have much to do with establishing the bond between Straker and his son. By contrast, when I last viewed this episode on the SciFi channel some seven years ago, the teaser seemed rather jerky and contrived. AQOP is also an episode that disproves critics of Ed Bishop's acting skills. The physical features of his face were impressively distorted at the scene of Johnny's accident, expressing concern with a look that is not used elsewhere in the series; it struck me as the deeper emotion of a caring parent. From that point onward, Bishop masterfully plays a man in silent torture. Even trusty Alec Freeman never fully realizes the extent of Ed's personal conflict. But after watching this episode there are some technical quibbles that bother me. First of all, the green dye (bad as it was) should have extended to the Alien's bare hands and not merely his face. Next, no explanation is ever given to the disappearance of the UFO escape craft, especially when Carlin performed his overflights over the Irish coast. And speaking of Carlin, he does a little too much in this episode -- fly Sky1, perform salvage, and lead the Mobiles into position. Despite the placement in the DVD series, I get the feeling that this episode was filmed before Exposed. If that is not the case, then hopefully somebody has a behind-the-scenes explanation for Billington's absence. Having witnessed all the effort that SHADO performed in a vain attempt to capture a UFO on the moon, I was surprised that a specialized crew was not dispatched to collect and completely analyze the underwater wreckage. Despite Carlin's statement about vaporized materials, the photos he took show enough intact pieces for at least a minimal materials analysis. After all, if that B142 probe is ever going to chase a departing UFO at SOL velocities, then SHADO had better start analyzing spinner wreckage for some Alien FTL how-to secrets. Does anyone know Suzanne Neve's age at the time of filming? I have a hard time believing that she was over 30, which would place her as a 20-year-old bride at SHADO's creation. And with Amelia and many others atesting to Ed Straker's wow-power, our erstwhile Commander does not strike me as one to date teenage girlfriend while starting a top-secret military organization. Also, are there any Joe90 or Secret Service fans who can attest that the blind woman's coastal home was a model used in one of these two supermarionation series? Finally, after viewing the escape pod departing from the UFO, I am left with the impression that UFOs are much larger than our previous list discussions. Rather than simply being a three-man craft as previously stated, I still think that a spinner is *at least* as large as Croxley's house in E.S.P. Despite these minor points, this is an excellent episode overall, with The fine acting of Ed Bishop, tension-filled scenes, emotive score by Barry Gray, and tightly-paced directing by David Lane. Along with Conflict, it resides on my list of episodes to play when I want to introduce a potential convert to UFO. Jeff Kuzma |
Well, let's start off by saying that this is another excellent entry in the
UFO canon -- actually, I think it's better than Dalotek Affair, my previous high point for UFO. This episode is more proof for my theory that UFO is more drama than sci-fi -- again, nothing wrong with that, just a side point. It actually got me to thinking a bit -- I really like my sci-fi in space or some place other than Earth. There's just something about Earth-bound sci-fi that doesn't move me much, but that's just me. Anyway ... things I liked: - that mod hospital -- very nice! - the acting was all around solid - Ed Bishop was particularly good here. I loved almost all of Ed's scenes - from playing with his child (it was really weird to see Straker so relaxed!) to the encounter with his wife and her new husband to the accident and beyond. - the script (and filming) was strong -- I liked how little sentences ("Yes, he could be listed under Rutland") or scenes ("I think you should leave now, Ed") told so much about Ed's personal life and how heavily it has been impacted by running SHADO. Very well done. Nits: - the whole old lady stuff -- I guess she was just there so that SHADO could find the alien. - the rather stodgy pace of the entire episode. Just didn't seem there was that much urgency in parts. Overall it was decent though. - the experimental antibiotic -- while it was a good idea story-wise, I thought it was a tad outdated in that we have several (I think) different antibiotics to cover allergenic and/or bio-resistance. I thought of an idea here -- John should have gotten a "strange infection" that's only been seen "in the last ten years or so". This would have tied the infection in with the alien invasion (making it even MORE powerful for Ed) thus making the experimental drug from America a little more dramatic. This episode is really an emotional one-two punch - the tension for the most part doesn't let up. It's stories like this where UFO shines. I liked how Ed uses his position for personal gain -- was it appropriate? Why couldn't he confide in Alex? Was it to protect Alex or to cover his own ass? [BTW, where *was* Foster in this episode? Was this out of order?] A solid, solid entry. Overall: B Right now, I'm grading this a B -- it might go up after we finish all 26 episodes. 1999 Lives, Anthony |
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> The biggest drawback is that the science is weak (fires on the > moon, sound in space, punctured EVA suits causing suffocation and > not decompression), and the spaceships sound like jet fighters... > in space. But the colors are striking, the transfers flawless, and > the set worth a look. > The 'sound in space' criticism is a bit harsh .. nearly all popular sci-fi does that. And fires on the moon? I'm not sure which episode(s) are being referred to here, but assuming it's a fire caused by a UFO, interceptor or whatever crashing, it's entirely plausible if the fire is caused by ignited fuel containing oxygen. The USS Enterprise's phaser beams shouldn't be visible in space .. no-one ever complains about that :) |
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> I liked how Ed uses his position for personal gain -- was it > appropriate? Why couldn't he confide in Alex? Was it to protect > Alex or to cover his own ass? A good question and one I always raise myself when this episode is discussed - to me it seems highly inappropriate that Straker should use SHADO's facilities as a private medical taxi service. A clear-cut abuse of responsibility, and if Freeman hadn't diverted the transport, there would have been a definite moral question mark left hanging over this episode. |
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Apparently neither one of you guys has ever been a father. If you
had you'd know any good father would move heaven or hell or brake the rules to save his child. It is one thing to make rules and regulations but it is something else to live by them. They work fine under ideal circumstances but when in real life are circumstances ideal. Would Straker allow someone else to do the same as he did? We will never know because that episode was never filmed. The episode is trying to make a point, which is Straker, Mister Perfect being put in a position where he has to break the rules. In other words a personal and emotional hell! As to breaking rules and regulations no one complains when its done on Star Trek. Heck, it they were to Courtmartial every character in that group of series who has struck a fellow Star Fleet officer it they would have to change the name of the show to Space Court! James K.( not a father but who knows a good one when he see one) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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>And speaking of Carlin, he does a little too much in this episode
>-- fly Sky1, perform salvage, and lead the Mobiles into position. >Despite the placement in the DVD series, I get the feeling that >this episode was filmed before Exposed. If that is not the case, >then hopefully somebody has a behind-the-scenes explanation >for Billington's absence. This episode is in the correct order. Originally Mike Billington was supposed to be in the Mobiles, but since this was Peter Gordeno's final episode, they gave that part to him. Kind of silly though, since he was just in Skydiver a few minutes before... Marc |
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Well the way I see it... SHADO owed Straker *something*.
It destroyed his marriage... narrowed his private life... he'd put in megga hours of work... had a mass heaping of stress added to his life. I don't have a problem with this venture, as long as it *wasn't* going to put any of the population at risk (which it wouldn't have done, had there been no UFO attack). Jaime http://jaime.net --- In SHADO@y..., James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote: > "Anthony D" wrote: > > > I liked how Ed uses his position for personal gain -- was it > > appropriate? Why couldn't he confide in Alex? Was it to protect > > Alex or to cover his own ass? > > A good question and one I always raise myself when this episode is > discussed - to me it seems highly inappropriate that Straker > should use SHADO's facilities as a private medical taxi service. > A clear-cut abuse of responsibility, and if Freeman hadn't > diverted the transport, there would have been a definite moral > question mark left hanging over this episode. |
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The antibiotic wasn't required as it was a strange disease, it was because
John was allergic to the antibiotics required to treat the infection he had. Grant -----Original Message----- From: Anthony D [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: 19 November 2002 02:14 To: [hidden email] Subject: [SHADO] A Question of Priorities Well, let's start off by saying that this is another excellent entry in the UFO canon -- actually, I think it's better than Dalotek Affair, my previous high point for UFO. This episode is more proof for my theory that UFO is more drama than sci-fi -- again, nothing wrong with that, just a side point. It actually got me to thinking a bit -- I really like my sci-fi in space or some place other than Earth. There's just something about Earth-bound sci-fi that doesn't move me much, but that's just me. Anyway ... things I liked: - that mod hospital -- very nice! - the acting was all around solid - Ed Bishop was particularly good here. I loved almost all of Ed's scenes - from playing with his child (it was really weird to see Straker so relaxed!) to the encounter with his wife and her new husband to the accident and beyond. - the script (and filming) was strong -- I liked how little sentences ("Yes, he could be listed under Rutland") or scenes ("I think you should leave now, Ed") told so much about Ed's personal life and how heavily it has been impacted by running SHADO. Very well done. Nits: - the whole old lady stuff -- I guess she was just there so that SHADO could find the alien. - the rather stodgy pace of the entire episode. Just didn't seem there was that much urgency in parts. Overall it was decent though. - the experimental antibiotic -- while it was a good idea story-wise, I thought it was a tad outdated in that we have several (I think) different antibiotics to cover allergenic and/or bio-resistance. I thought of an idea here -- John should have gotten a "strange infection" that's only been seen "in the last ten years or so". This would have tied the infection in with the alien invasion (making it even MORE powerful for Ed) thus making the experimental drug from America a little more dramatic. This episode is really an emotional one-two punch - the tension for the most part doesn't let up. It's stories like this where UFO shines. I liked how Ed uses his position for personal gain -- was it appropriate? Why couldn't he confide in Alex? Was it to protect Alex or to cover his own ass? [BTW, where *was* Foster in this episode? Was this out of order?] A solid, solid entry. Overall: B Right now, I'm grading this a B -- it might go up after we finish all 26 episodes. 1999 Lives, Anthony Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ **************************************************************************** ******* Legally privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee(s) legally indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message, and notify us immediately. If you or your employer does not consent to Internet e-mail messages of this kind, please advise us immediately. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this message are not given or endorsed by West Herts College unless otherwise indicated by an authorised representative independent of this message. Please note that neither West Herts College nor I accept any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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writes: > I'm always amazed at Ed's performance in this, it's almost all facial. When > they remind him his son's name isn't Straker, it's Rutland. The pain, boy > it > blows you away. The look on his face when Mary tells him to go. Even the > body > language when he brings Johnnie back and he sees Mary, slowly gets out of > the > car I completely agree with this, Ed Bishop certainly conveyed the pain, anguish and torture of Straker with just a few facial expressions, this sequence can often move me to tears - it is such a powerful piece of acting and one of the scenes I always remember. Claire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 "Christian J." <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Obviously Barnaby Shaw was a good choice for >> playing Strakers son :-) Say, does anyone have an current image? It might be interesting to see if Mr. Shaw has any resemblence to Ed Bishop in adulthood. >> The radar screen shows two lines going >> incessantly from the upper right to the >> lower left - what's the use of this? Not much. The set designer probably lacked experience with an actual radar screen and figured that something in the style of a medical oscilloscope (SIC) would work just as well. >> ...Why are there so much lamps switched-on... Probably an oversight, but you could argue that she had them on for her house-call by the doctor. >> The UFO is able to shot a simple person far >> away from the sky! What a shot! Yes. But this time their was a very powerful radio transciever carried by the defector which the spinner could detect and target. "Anthony D" <[hidden email]> added: > Anyway ... things I liked: > > - that mod hospital -- very nice! Did you notice how it was one of the few mod sets in UFO that actually 'work'? By contrast, the colors and items from Foster's girlfriend's apartment in 'Survival' are an absolute disaster -- so garish and tiring that nobody could actually live in such a place. Did anybody else find the hospital floor pattern somewhat reminiscient of the inner chambers from 'The Prisoner'? Marc answered one question with: >>>> I get the feeling that this episode was >>>> filmed before Exposed. If that is not >>>> the case, then hopefully somebody >>>> has a behind-the-scenes explanation >>>> for Billington's absence. >> This episode is in the correct order. Originally >> Mike Billington was supposed to be in the >> Mobiles, but since this was Peter Gordeno's >> final episode, they gave that part to him. Kind >> of silly though, since he was just in Skydiver a >> few minutes before... Thanks for the backstory, Marc. As odd as it was to have Carlin in the Mobiles, I get the feeling that Billington's absence helped the somberness of the episode by concentrating the mood of the Freeman -Straker scenes. Paul Foster's presence would probably have diluted the tight dynamic that we last saw in 'Flight Path' and 'The Computer Affair.' Ameila <[hidden email]> wrote: >> But the use of the indifferent word >> 'boy' like he didn't have any connection to him. Indeed. I had the sense that Rutland merely used Johnny as a chess piece in a game of controlling Mary. >> I'm always amazed at Ed's performance in this, >> it's almost all facial. Yes, his expressions were powerfully communicative, and yet Bishop never crossed over the line into William Shatner-esque theatrics. >> I don't think anyone, even Henderson, would >> have said a word against him doing what he >> did. His son was dying.... Perhaps, but you have to consider the timeline within the series before making that statment. During the 'Conflict' epsiode, Henderson probably would have seized upon this incendent to remove Straker from command. But the 'softer' Henderson from 'Confetti Check A-OK', 'Closeup', or 'Mindbender' would probably have behaved exactly along the lines you suggest. >> Don't know how old Neve was... What would be a good source of biograhical data on Ms. Neve? I still think that she looks substantially younger than Ed Bishop. Jeff Kuzma |
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> Did you notice how it was one of the few mod sets in UFO > that actually 'work'? By contrast, the colors and items from > Foster's girlfriend's apartment in 'Survival' are an absolute > disaster -- so garish and tiring that nobody could actually > live in such a place. A lot of peoples' homes were like that in the 70s .. :) |
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usually IMDB(Internet Movie Data Base) is a go choice for a limited bio of actor. However I check for Neve sometime ago and it doesn't have one. The earliest credit listing I found for her is in the BBC Sherlock Holmes series of 1961 where she was the governess in The Adventure of the Copper Beeches. If you take it that she would have been in the area of about 20 then that would have her born around 1941 give or that a year or 5 which would make her younger than Ed. James K. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 James Gibbon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Foster's girlfriend's apartment in 'Survival' are an absolute >> disaster -- so garish and tiring that nobody could actually >> live in such a place. > > A lot of peoples' homes were like that in the 70s .. :) Oops! I apologize for offending anybody with my remark! On the subject of Suzanne Neve, James K. added: > If you take it that she would have been in the area of > about 20 then that would have her born around 1941 > give or that a year or 5 which would make her younger > than Ed. Which would make her 28-years-old to Bishop's 39, supporting my observation that she was a decade younger than Ed. Thanks for the information, James, as it was exactly what I suspected. So when Denise Felt <[hidden email]> posted: > I'll just say that I never thought she was the type of > woman to appeal to his type of guy and leave it at that. Well, Denise, do you feel any differently knowing that in 1970 Ed Straker was a 29-year-old Colonel marrying an 18-year-old bride?<s> In the early days of the FAB-UFO list there were many comments on Mary's emotionalism and lack of maturity during the SHADO years. Such actions seem more plausible when viewed as those of an insecure teenage bride. It would also explain why Straker never divulged sufficient secrets to his wife. Jeff Kuzma |
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wrote: >Oops! I apologize for offending anybody with my remark! The amazing thing here is that you can now redo your house in retro 70's and be just as hideous as they were back then! No joke. Although why anyone would is WAY beyond me! >So when Denise Felt <[hidden email]> posted: > > > I'll just say that I never thought she was the type of > > woman to appeal to his type of guy and leave it at that. > >Well, Denise, do you feel any differently knowing that in >1970 Ed Straker was a 29-year-old Colonel marrying an >18-year-old bride?<s> > >In the early days of the FAB-UFO list there were many >comments on Mary's emotionalism and lack of maturity >during the SHADO years. Such actions seem more >plausible when viewed as those of an insecure >teenage bride. It would also explain why Straker never >divulged sufficient secrets to his wife. Actually, Jeff. It's obvious from the episode that she's a lot younger than he is. So I always knew of the age difference. I got married at barely twenty and never, thank God, treated my husband (who was far more deserving of it than Straker ever was!) to Mary's type of "emotionalism." I have simply felt since I was old enough to consider the matter that a strong man would prefer a strong partner. And the years have not changed my mind about that. But I've long since realized that Gerry Anderson and I don't agree on that point! *grin* Yours, Denise _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Dear posters and esp Denise:
I read what Denise said about Mary being considerably younger than Straker when they were married and it was like alot of jigsaw pieces finally "fit" right. I was always so annoyed by her increadibly immature behaviour, her jealousy, her refusal to have any kind of life outside the 4 walls of their home, etc (i.e. not making her own friends, meeting the neighbours, etc). NOW it all makes more sense. If Mary really was an 18 yr old, shy, insecure, with a much older husband like Straker (who may have appealed to her because she was looking for someone to "protect and nurture" her - do we know much about Mary's younger days? Her mother seemed like a very domineering suspicious type and the father seemed hen-pecked - what kind of family life did Mary come from? We could speculate endlessly - hey Denise - here is a back-story for you to write for us!!) - she was looking to him to "save" her from the world. She was too young to understand the kind of work he did and she was unable, as some younger folk can be, to see his POV because he was so much more mature than she was. Kind of Princess Diana-Prince Charles relationship in terms of age difference and maturity levels. I think Denise may have hit this on the head - why didn't the rest of us see it? Pam |
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>Furthermore, strangely enough, in the official bio for Straker, Mary is
>described as Mary Nightingale, a secretary at the ministry of defence. >Straker is described as being born in 1940. The marriage took place in >December 1970, (following what's in this bio ) Ed would have been 30. Strict >canon. "The official bio for Straker"? You mean the made-up-by-Fanderson bio? I wouldn't count that as canon, just creative thinking... Marc |
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wrote: >Dear posters and esp Denise: > >I read what Denise said about Mary being considerably younger than Straker >when they were married and it was like alot of jigsaw pieces finally "fit" >right. >NOW it all makes more sense. do we know much >about Mary's younger days? Her mother seemed like a very domineering >suspicious type and the father seemed hen-pecked - what kind of family life >did Mary come from? We could speculate endlessly - hey Denise - here is a >back-story for you to write for us!!) Pam, I DID use this info for a story. It's called "Full Circle" and it'll be online as soon as my new site gets UFO stuff on it. It should also be at the SHADO Library by now. I made her mother domineering and her father hen-pecked too. Actually, dragon sparked the idea for the story with her own Mary story, and I went from there. But unlike her story, I had them get back together in the end. You know me; I like happy endings. But this story isn't a part of my Ed & Sheila stories. I paint a very different picture of her in those. Well, okay. Not too different. Just not as likeable. *grin* Yours, Denise _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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wrote: >Because Denise has just made it up. I don't believe there's any >intention to portray Mrs Straker as a teenager at the time she >got married. Um, James. I didn't make up anything. In fact, I'm not even the one who brought the age issue up in the first place. I was merely agreeing with another poster that Mary was a good deal younger than Straker. And just to be exact, since people are nitpicking, I don't think she was a teenager. Slightly over twenty was my guess the first time I saw it, and my opinion hasn't changed much with future viewings. If you're going to throw darts, at least aim them at the right target. Yours, Denise _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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