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----- Original Message ----- From: Diorite Gabbro To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [SHADO] Conflict <..... I don't know, to me it seems like there is something a little more personal to it. After all, Henderson helped plan SHADO, monstrous security costs, fleet of submarines, moon bases and all - they are mention in Confetti Check. Straker may be executing the plan, but the initial abitious plan was presented with Henderson's name on it. Now he thinks too much money is being spent? .......> <...... Straker was the man put in charge. I know some think Henderson recommended him, but the only thing on film is that the committee picked Straker. Straker is the one whose job it was to track exactly what the aliens had been doing and try to anticipate them. It seems a little peevish to gripe about the money that way. .....> ------------------------------------------------------- There is a scene in the show, where Straker is visiting Henderson recovering in the hospital after the limosine accident. Henderson is wearing those black shades because of injuries, etc, that would prevent him from assuming the command of SHADO. He seemed perfectly pleased with the choice of Straker as it's commander then, and fine with the fact that he (Henderson) wouldn't be. It seems to me, that they meant to, and should have, used another character entirely to represent the resentful head of the IAS, but somehow ended up recycling Henderson's character back into that role again, which makes no sense. That way, the complaining bureaucrat at the top was not a military man in the know of SHADO's true importance.... Watching Henderson's character earlier, he's a likable fellow. Watching him later on in the series, he's just a dick. Makes no sense whatsoever. Dave H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> It seems to me, that they meant to, and should have,
> used another character entirely to represent the resentful > head of the IAS, but somehow ended up recycling Henderson's > character back into that role again In the original script for CONFLICT, it was *not* Henderson in that role, instead it was a "James Douglas": JAMES L. DOUGLAS IS A STERNFACED AUTHORITATIVE FIGURE IN HIS EARLY FIFTIES - A MAN WHO GIVES AN IMPRESSION OF PHYSICAL AS WELL AS INTELLECTUAL POWER. HIS OFFICE IS FURNISHED SIMPLY, BUT THE FITTINGS ARE OBVIOUSLY EXPENSIVE. BEHIND THE DESK IS A LARGE, MULTI- COLOURED GALACTIC ASTRONOMICAL CHART, NEARBY, ON A SMALL STAND, IS A DETAILED MODEL OF A COMMUNIC- ATIONS PLATFORM SATELLITE, DESIGNED TO CARRY A PERMANENT CREW. Marc |
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I actually think it's meant to be like the way Jackson appears quite menacing at first in Exposed and Court Martial and we only realise when it turns out Jackson ordered Foster shot with a knock-out bullet that Jackson is not "all bad" and he then becomes increasingly a likeable character.
Henderson began supportively, but *after* that scene with the shades and wheelchair he gets a new job...holding the purse strings. And this seems to change the relationship over time. But Henderson happily supports the stuff that he sees as important. In "Conflict", he's just spent double last years' money clearing space junk and thinks Straker's being too demanding over something not justified. That's how I saw it. davrecon <[hidden email]> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Diorite Gabbro To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [SHADO] Conflict <..... I don't know, to me it seems like there is something a little more personal to it. After all, Henderson helped plan SHADO, monstrous security costs, fleet of submarines, moon bases and all - they are mention in Confetti Check. Straker may be executing the plan, but the initial abitious plan was presented with Henderson's name on it. Now he thinks too much money is being spent? .......> <...... Straker was the man put in charge. I know some think Henderson recommended him, but the only thing on film is that the committee picked Straker. Straker is the one whose job it was to track exactly what the aliens had been doing and try to anticipate them. It seems a little peevish to gripe about the money that way. .....> ------------------------------------------------------- There is a scene in the show, where Straker is visiting Henderson recovering in the hospital after the limosine accident. Henderson is wearing those black shades because of injuries, etc, that would prevent him from assuming the command of SHADO. He seemed perfectly pleased with the choice of Straker as it's commander then, and fine with the fact that he (Henderson) wouldn't be. It seems to me, that they meant to, and should have, used another character entirely to represent the resentful head of the IAS, but somehow ended up recycling Henderson's character back into that role again, which makes no sense. That way, the complaining bureaucrat at the top was not a military man in the know of SHADO's true importance.... Watching Henderson's character earlier, he's a likable fellow. Watching him later on in the series, he's just a dick. Makes no sense whatsoever. Dave H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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----- Original Message ----- From: zerg harry To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [SHADO] Conflict Henderson began supportively, but *after* that scene with the shades and wheelchair he gets a new job...holding the purse strings. And this seems to change the relationship over time. But Henderson happily supports the stuff that he sees as important. In "Conflict", he's just spent double last years' money clearing space junk and thinks Straker's being too demanding over something not justified. That's how I saw it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ....Holding the purse strings to "his baby", the thing, that of ALL things, he *knew* the importance of.... You would think that he would be more than happy to pour all the money he could into the project that he and Straker had created to defend the world, especially on an issue (clearing space junk that could give cover to aliens) that any good military man would easily understand. I believe he even referred to SHADO in that meeting as "....an expensive & unnecessary luxury that we just can't afford...." (probably not the exact wording, cause it's been awhile since I've last watched it). Those are odd words coming from the man who spearheaded it's formation. His resistance on many of these obviously legitimate issues just seems plain childish at times. That's why I believe that the use of an entirely different character altogether as head of the IAC; say a bureaucrat ignorant of the true threat that SHADO was fighting, would have been far superior writing in the series. - BTW, after fighting Straker on these obviously important issues, he then turns around and gives lots of money at the end of "Close Up" to a totally irrelevant project on microscopy. A bad leader, or bad writing?.... Dave H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> BTW, after fighting Straker on these obviously important
> issues, he then turns around and gives lots of money at > the end of "Close Up" to a totally irrelevant project on > microscopy. A bad leader, or bad writing?.... As I understood it, the amount of money that was requested for Kelly's pet project was insignificant in the big scheme of things. So no, this is neither bad leadership nor bad writing... Marc |
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Dave, Confetti Check was written as the first ep of the second 13 ep shooting block, so I'd assume by that stage Tony Barwick knew how Henderson had been presented in the first 13 episodes and probably thought it was a good idea to show Henderson and Straker as men who started off as friends, so we can assume that their present day situation is one of friends who have been turned into semi-enemies by ten years of being in particular roles.
But again, I'm fairly certain that Henderson's "hard-to-get" attitude about the funds is a game he plays to keep Straker honest. No doubt Henderson reports to the very politicians you describe and he has to prove to them that every time Straker asks for more money it is for SHADO and the world's best interests, not because Straker's law-unto-himself role has gone to his head. What he says is that SHADO is an unworkable luxury "in its present form", in Conflict, suggesting that SHADO may need to be refined to make it more efficient. Again, this is probably part of the game he plays to test Straker. I also get a feeling that this relationship was inspired by Gerry Anderson's relationship with Lew Grade. Grade apparently ordered Anderson to slash his proposed budget for "Supercar" by 50% and when Anderson reduced it by less than the required amount, Grade relented because Anderson had clearly done his absolute best to reduce the budget as far as possible. He wanted the series, but in a cheaper, more efficient form than the one Anderson initially proposed. This idea of the money man forcing the guy he's funding to justify himself seems pretty realistic to me. In Mindbender, Straker says to Henderson "You get the money, I run the store". And Henderson's comment that Straker is "SHADO's most vital piece of manpower" clearly is meant to be Henderson's true feelings about him, since Straker's out cold in sick bay and there's no games or agendas between them. Z. n <[hidden email]> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: zerg harry To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [SHADO] Conflict Henderson began supportively, but *after* that scene with the shades and wheelchair he gets a new job...holding the purse strings. And this seems to change the relationship over time. But Henderson happily supports the stuff that he sees as important. In "Conflict", he's just spent double last years' money clearing space junk and thinks Straker's being too demanding over something not justified. That's how I saw it. ---------------------------------------------------------- ....Holding the purse strings to "his baby", the thing, that of ALL things, he *knew* the importance of.... You would think that he would be more than happy to pour all the money he could into the project that he and Straker had created to defend the world, especially on an issue (clearing space junk that could give cover to aliens) that any good military man would easily understand. I believe he even referred to SHADO in that meeting as "....an expensive & unnecessary luxury that we just can't afford...." (probably not the exact wording, cause it's been awhile since I've last watched it). Those are odd words coming from the man who spearheaded it's formation. His resistance on many of these obviously legitimate issues just seems plain childish at times. That's why I believe that the use of an entirely different character altogether as head of the IAC; say a bureaucrat ignorant of the true threat that SHADO was fighting, would have been far superior writing in the series. - BTW, after fighting Straker on these obviously important issues, he then turns around and gives lots of money at the end of "Close Up" to a totally irrelevant project on microscopy. A bad leader, or bad writing?.... Dave H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I have to admit that all this discussion is fascinating. If UFO is ever
to be re-done much of the first season is already all fleshed-out in the past few month's posts. Go UFO! Paul zerg harry wrote: > Dave, Confetti Check was written as the first ep of the second 13 ep shooting block, so I'd assume by that stage Tony Barwick knew how Henderson had been presented in the first 13 episodes and probably thought it was a good idea to show Henderson and Straker as men who started off as friends, so we can assume that their present day situation is one of friends who have been turned into semi-enemies by ten years of being in particular roles. > > But again, I'm fairly certain that Henderson's "hard-to-get" attitude about the funds is a game he plays to keep Straker honest. No doubt Henderson reports to the very politicians you describe and he has to prove to them that every time Straker asks for more money it is for SHADO and the world's best interests, not because Straker's law-unto-himself role has gone to his head. > > What he says is that SHADO is an unworkable luxury "in its present form", in Conflict, suggesting that SHADO may need to be refined to make it more efficient. Again, this is probably part of the game he plays to test Straker. > > I also get a feeling that this relationship was inspired by Gerry Anderson's relationship with Lew Grade. Grade apparently ordered Anderson to slash his proposed budget for "Supercar" by 50% and when Anderson reduced it by less than the required amount, Grade relented because Anderson had clearly done his absolute best to reduce the budget as far as possible. He wanted the series, but in a cheaper, more efficient form than the one Anderson initially proposed. This idea of the money man forcing the guy he's funding to justify himself seems pretty realistic to me. > > In Mindbender, Straker says to Henderson "You get the money, I run the store". And Henderson's comment that Straker is "SHADO's most vital piece of manpower" clearly is meant to be Henderson's true feelings about him, since Straker's out cold in sick bay and there's no games or agendas between them. > > Z. > > n <[hidden email]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zerg harry > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SHADO] Conflict > > Henderson began supportively, but *after* that scene with the shades and wheelchair he gets a new job...holding the purse strings. And this seems to change the relationship over time. > > But Henderson happily supports the stuff that he sees as important. In "Conflict", he's just spent double last years' money clearing space junk and thinks Straker's being too demanding over something not justified. > > That's how I saw it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ....Holding the purse strings to "his baby", the thing, that > of ALL things, he *knew* the importance of.... > > You would think that he would be more than happy to > pour all the money he could into the project that he and > Straker had created to defend the world, especially on > an issue (clearing space junk that could give cover to > aliens) that any good military man would easily > understand. > > I believe he even referred to SHADO in that meeting as > "....an expensive & unnecessary luxury that we just > can't afford...." (probably not the exact wording, cause > it's been awhile since I've last watched it). Those are > odd words coming from the man who spearheaded it's > formation. > > His resistance on many of these obviously legitimate > issues just seems plain childish at times. > > That's why I believe that the use of an entirely different > character altogether as head of the IAC; say a bureaucrat > ignorant of the true threat that SHADO was fighting, would > have been far superior writing in the series. > > - BTW, after fighting Straker on these obviously important > issues, he then turns around and gives lots of money at > the end of "Close Up" to a totally irrelevant project on > microscopy. A bad leader, or bad writing?.... > > Dave H. |
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zerg harry wrote:
> Dave, Confetti Check was written as the first ep of the second 13 ep shooting block Correction -- the first shooting block lasted for the first 17 episodes (ending with SUB-SMASH), and the second shooting block lasted for the last 9 episodes (starting with THE SOUND OF SILENCE). Only the DVD's break the episodes into 13-episode blocks. Marc |
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Picture the scene - Next year a remake of UFO comes out of Hollywood based perfectly on the discussions of Zerg Harry and Diorite Gabbro on this forum, but with no mention made of either of them in the credits. Starring Tom Cruise & Salma Hayek, the movie wins oscars for writing, kicks ass and goes down in history as another "Topgun". While Zerg & Diorite continue to eat tuna out of a can, the producer buys his forth Learjet, a caribbean island, and a 100% convincing humanlike robot trophy wife, all the while wiping his a** with $1000 bills..... 8-0 Dave H. --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Bowers To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [SHADO] Conflict I have to admit that all this discussion is fascinating. If UFO is ever to be re-done much of the first season is already all fleshed-out in the past few month's posts. Go UFO! Paul zerg harry wrote: > Dave, Confetti Check was written as the first ep of the second 13 ep shooting block, so I'd assume by that stage Tony Barwick knew how Henderson had been presented in the first 13 episodes and probably thought it was a good idea to show Henderson and Straker as men who started off as friends, so we can assume that their present day situation is one of friends who have been turned into semi-enemies by ten years of being in particular roles. > > But again, I'm fairly certain that Henderson's "hard-to-get" attitude about the funds is a game he plays to keep Straker honest. No doubt Henderson reports to the very politicians you describe and he has to prove to them that every time Straker asks for more money it is for SHADO and the world's best interests, not because Straker's law-unto-himself role has gone to his head. > > What he says is that SHADO is an unworkable luxury "in its present form", in Conflict, suggesting that SHADO may need to be refined to make it more efficient. Again, this is probably part of the game he plays to test Straker. > > I also get a feeling that this relationship was inspired by Gerry Anderson's relationship with Lew Grade. Grade apparently ordered Anderson to slash his proposed budget for "Supercar" by 50% and when Anderson reduced it by less than the required amount, Grade relented because Anderson had clearly done his absolute best to reduce the budget as far as possible. He wanted the series, but in a cheaper, more efficient form than the one Anderson initially proposed. This idea of the money man forcing the guy he's funding to justify himself seems pretty realistic to me. > > In Mindbender, Straker says to Henderson "You get the money, I run the store". And Henderson's comment that Straker is "SHADO's most vital piece of manpower" clearly is meant to be Henderson's true feelings about him, since Straker's out cold in sick bay and there's no games or agendas between them. > > Z. > > n <[hidden email]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: zerg harry > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SHADO] Conflict > > Henderson began supportively, but *after* that scene with the shades and wheelchair he gets a new job...holding the purse strings. And this seems to change the relationship over time. > > But Henderson happily supports the stuff that he sees as important. In "Conflict", he's just spent double last years' money clearing space junk and thinks Straker's being too demanding over something not justified. > > That's how I saw it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ....Holding the purse strings to "his baby", the thing, that > of ALL things, he *knew* the importance of.... > > You would think that he would be more than happy to > pour all the money he could into the project that he and > Straker had created to defend the world, especially on > an issue (clearing space junk that could give cover to > aliens) that any good military man would easily > understand. > > I believe he even referred to SHADO in that meeting as > "....an expensive & unnecessary luxury that we just > can't afford...." (probably not the exact wording, cause > it's been awhile since I've last watched it). Those are > odd words coming from the man who spearheaded it's > formation. > > His resistance on many of these obviously legitimate > issues just seems plain childish at times. > > That's why I believe that the use of an entirely different > character altogether as head of the IAC; say a bureaucrat > ignorant of the true threat that SHADO was fighting, would > have been far superior writing in the series. > > - BTW, after fighting Straker on these obviously important > issues, he then turns around and gives lots of money at > the end of "Close Up" to a totally irrelevant project on > microscopy. A bad leader, or bad writing?.... > > Dave H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- davrecon <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Starring Tom > Cruise & > Salma Hayek, the movie wins oscars for writing, > kicks > ass and goes down in history as another "Topgun". Tome Cruise as Henderson and Salma as Straker? Diorite, destined to be poor |
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In a message dated 10/20/2007 4:28:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Picture the scene - Next year a remake of UFO comes out of Hollywood based perfectly on the discussions of Zerg Harry and Diorite Gabbro on this forum, but with no mention made of either of them in the credits. Starring Tom Cruise & Salma Hayek, the movie wins oscars for writing, kicks ass and goes down in history as another "Topgun". While Zerg & Diorite continue to eat tuna out of a can, the producer buys his forth Learjet, a caribbean island, and a 100% convincing humanlike robot trophy wife, all the while wiping his a** with $1000 bills..... 8-0 Dave H. And this is why they should write this down and submit it to a willing producer. This way, they can reap some rewards out of this. Tuna - YEECH! Wendy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Dorito:
Why not use Brad Pitt as Straker (Bishop was ugly anyway, that role calls for a good looking or reasonably good looking guy) and move George Clooney into the General's role. Selma Hayek will play Ayesha's role ( we need one token anyway) and why not fill out the cast with members from this board? You wrote the scripts, cast yourselves! --- Diorite Gabbro <[hidden email]> wrote: > --- davrecon <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Starring Tom > > Cruise & > > Salma Hayek, the movie wins oscars for writing, > > kicks > > ass and goes down in history as another "Topgun". > > Tome Cruise as Henderson and Salma as Straker? > > Diorite, destined to be poor > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
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--- Susan Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dorito: Nope, wrong name. > > Why not use Brad Pitt as Straker Yuck. I've been giving some thought as to who (whom? Any grammar police here?) I'd cast as Straker. I'll continue until maybe I come up with someone I think could do the role justice and wouldn't nauseate me. D-i-o-r-i-t-e - I am a rock, just like the Paul Simon song |
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Ed Bishop was not ugly. And we're not over-analysing the show. And unless someone can point out a fan-written script for a UFO series, then the scripts have not been written. And I don't find the elaborate characterisation in modern SF TV shows any more potent, vivid or memorable than that of UFO. And that's my humble two cents worth! :)
The image of me eating tuna out of a tin while other folks win awards and get rich on the other hand is alarmingly accurate! ;) Cheers, Z. Susan Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: Dorito: Why not use Brad Pitt as Straker (Bishop was ugly anyway, that role calls for a good looking or reasonably good looking guy) and move George Clooney into the General's role. Selma Hayek will play Ayesha's role ( we need one token anyway) and why not fill out the cast with members from this board? You wrote the scripts, cast yourselves! --- Diorite Gabbro <[hidden email]> wrote: > --- davrecon <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > Starring Tom > > Cruise & > > Salma Hayek, the movie wins oscars for writing, > > kicks > > ass and goes down in history as another "Topgun". > > Tome Cruise as Henderson and Salma as Straker? > > Diorite, destined to be poor > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Brad Pitt, lol. I think they'd need to hire an >actor< for the
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Susan Smith <suesmith3@...> wrote:
> > (Bishop was ugly anyway, that role calls for a good looking or > reasonably good looking guy) Speaking as one who unfortunately does NOT possess matinee idol looks, I wish I was THAT ugly ;) Best to all Griff ... my wife still loves me anyway ... |
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If there HAD to be a remake (personally, I'm not in favour) I've
always thought Ed Harris would make a great Straker. He has an extremely powerful on-screen presence and a thoroughly convincing actor. Just an idea... Griff |
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UFO on tonite, Sunday at 6 pm on ITV 4 its a freeview channel broadcast on satellite, wonder if any members on the continent will pick it up ? Griff Wason <[hidden email]> wrote: Susan Smith <suesmith3@...> wrote: > > (Bishop was ugly anyway, that role calls for a good looking or > reasonably good looking guy) Speaking as one who unfortunately does NOT possess matinee idol looks, I wish I was THAT ugly ;) Best to all Griff ... my wife still loves me anyway ... Tim Yahoo E Mail Scanned by Norton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Tim wrote:
> UFO on tonite, Sunday at 6 pm Is this a new thing? I thought that ITV4 had been showing UFO for the past couple years... Marc |
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