Different Ending

I was just re-watching "The Square Triangle", and noticed something
interesting...
The closing credits ran over a scene of the woman standing presumably over
her dead husband's grave, then walking out to meet her lover at his
car...instead of the usual scene of the camera pulling back from the Earth
in space to reveal what I've always guessed was supposed to be the alien's
homeworld. Has anyone else noticed this? Are there other episodes that
have the closing credits run over different images, besides this one?

I'm fairly certain this is the only one. Just shows there a few things that
even Straker can't stop... If it been up to me, I'd have given them (the
naughty couple ;-) a whole ton of Amnesia drug so that they would have
forgotten about each other completely... but then again, you can't stop the
inevitable...

Griff

-----Original Message-----
From: Railhead [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:00 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Different Ending


I was just re-watching "The Square Triangle", and noticed something
interesting...
The closing credits ran over a scene of the woman standing presumably over
her dead husband's grave, then walking out to meet her lover at his
car...instead of the usual scene of the camera pulling back from the Earth
in space to reveal what I've always guessed was supposed to be the alien's
homeworld. Has anyone else noticed this? Are there other episodes that
have the closing credits run over different images, besides this one?




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Railhead wrote:

> The closing credits ran over a scene of the woman standing
> presumably over her dead husband's grave, then walking out to meet
> her lover at his car...instead of the usual scene of the camera
> pulling back from the Earth in space to reveal what I've always
> guessed was supposed to be the alien's homeworld.

This is one of the defining things about UFO for me - amid all
the wooden acting, inconsistent storylines and occasionally
dodgy scripts there are moments of sheer brilliance, and this is
one of them - it's just so cold, so effective.

By the way, Patrick Mower, who played the scheming boyfriend in
this episode (and also one of the Section's more cold-blooded
professional killers in 'Callan' in 1970) is currently a regular
in a twice-weekly British soap opera called 'Emmerdale'.

He's also been a guest on the top British TV word game Countdown - filmed in
the same studios as Emmerdale, so that was obviously a cheap guest!


>By the way, Patrick Mower, who played the scheming boyfriend in
>this episode (and also one of the Section's more cold-blooded
>professional killers in 'Callan' in 1970) is currently a regular
>in a twice-weekly British soap opera called 'Emmerdale'.
>

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At 12:20 PM 8/29/02 +0000, you wrote:
I believe somewhere in the series the amnesia drug is stated as being able
to erase the "last 12 hours" (or was it 24 hours?)
So perhaps they couldn't go back "months" or "years" or whatever would be
necessary to erase the knowledge of an entire relationship. Besides, what
else would they erase if they went back that far? If that married couple
had a child during the last year, perhaps they'd erase the mother's
knowledge of having a child, so it'd be harmful to do anything other than
what they did.
SHADO is in the business to stop aliens from taking over the world...not
policing the streets from civilians...so Straker made the only decision he
could. Much the same as he had to about his son's life in "A Question of
Priorities".

Hi all,

A few days ago I mentioned that it was time to move our UFO episode
discussions on to the episode COMPUTER AFFAIR. However, so far there
haven't been any comments on this episode. Does anyone have anything
to say about COMPUTER AFFAIR?

Marc

Give me a chance to watch the episode again and I'll have my say. Other than
Gabrielle beening featured prominately in it I can't really say it one of my
favorite episodes.

James K.


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Hi All :)

As I said in an earlier email, I really like the austereness of Computer
Affair, and the other early episodes. They have that certain starkness that
I think suits the cleanliness and ascetic principles seen throughout many
Anderson productions.

In my opinion Computer Affair, potentially at least, has 'one' of the most
plausible story lines of any of the episodes. It is unfortunately - in my
opinion - in its execution that it - I wouldn't say it fails - but certainly
falls a little flat.

There are a number of concepts that are certainly worthy enough, and could
have been developed into a full episodes in their own right: The
interception, capture, interrogation of an alien, and then final
debriefing - so many opportunities, potential areas of development, and
would have made a great episodes. The same can be said of the character
development within Computer Affair. It says much of the era in which the
episode was made: cold war attitudes and military concepts, male/female
attitudes, race issues (even raising these, Gerry was ahead of his time). It
has always surprised me that nothing further was developed from this - maybe
pressure from the backers.

Can you imagine being an operative working in SHADO? Okay it's top secret,
your working hours use military rosters and postings (the excuse for long
periods away being that you work for a film company), you have to adopt the
persona and expertise of a film executive or technician (certainly good
enough not to raise the suspicions of other 'real' film professionals, you
are away for long periods (maybe not to return), you cannot discuss SHADO
with anyone outside the organisation on fear of death... so, who are circle
of friends? Who is you support circle when things get tough? Who do you
socialise with?

Inside SHADO, there must have been a whole department just making sure the
Film Company cover story worked, and everything was cross-checked, as in the
spoof spy film "True Lies", there is a system that uses technology and a
clued-in team to give a cross-checked cover story as to the whereabouts of
the agent "Arnie" when his wife ring in. Imagine the complexity of the
system need to make all that work, and make sure each operative knew where
they were supposed to be...

Sure, I can hear people say, isn't it just easier to employ unmarried, loner
types, who don't have any loved ones. Well, this is the real world, and
humans don't work like that. Human beings work best if they are surrounded
by people they care about, and have a balanced psychological profile. The
'closed-down nature of SHADO', especially with the "we're the only ones who
know, we're gonna die if we tell, and we're the only ones who can save the
world", without a fully operating people support system, would have led to
just about all the operatives becoming non-functional as they soon developed
into a load of paranoid neurotics.

In the real world, with real people the real answer would be (especially
with current social values) would be a support system that would probably
encourage personal development to some degree, to counter the paranoia that
would otherwise be doubtless a foregone conclusion. This may sound
implausible, but I can tell you that in many countries today, and in many
agencies that involve the use the under-cover people, this attitude is being
cultivated to lessen the risk of: high-turnover, traitors, improved
motivation and reasoning etc. - I won't tell you how I know about this...

No, I think all in all that conceptually - at least - Computer Affair had a
lot of potential mileage, but unfortunately only went the first few blocks,
or was only allowed to venture that far... I still like it though... hey,
all that in 45 minutes ;-)

Later,

Griff

Hi All and Griff esp:

I have to agree totally with what Griff said in the past posting! I've
looked at all these considerations when writing my own fan fic and have
tried to address them all as much as possible.

Someone else on the site once said that relationships would have to be
encouraged WITHIN SHADO itself because it would be easier to be married to
someone who was in the same situation - you wouldn't have to lie or conceal
anything from your sig other at least. One's friends and "support system"
would be wholly within the organization. This not only makes sense from a
human standpoint, but from all the other points Griff outlined to reduce
paranoia, encourage work-related motivation and reduce the problems with
staffing turnovers, burnouts, etc. There would have to be a massive EAP in
effect within SHADO to help the staff maintain as much normalcy as possible,
so as to perform to their best abilities.

Thanks for bringing up these issues Griff, and perhaps other fan fic writers
will read your posting and say "Yeah, I think I'll write a story dealing
with this in particular!"

Ciao for now - Pam

Hello, new member here...well, old UFO watcher--I remember seeing the
episodes growing up...

I picked up the first dvd set last week and, dragging my...rather
younger...wife--she was born about 4 years after the show first
aired...to the TV, we had a mini-marathon. It was fun watching those
old eps again for the first time in nearly thirty years--and, the look
on my wife's face was priceless as she saw the costuming and sets--and
then as she started drooling over Straker and Alec Freeman...that's all
right though, I was busy falling in love all over again with Lt.
Ellis...

Turning to COMPUTER AFFAIR--I grew up in the southern US, so an
interracial romance would most definitely have been a sensitive
subject--at least in that region of the country--I can't speak for how
it would have been received in Britain or Continental Europe during that
period though. In fact, I think this might well have been the first
time I've seen this ep--I don't think they showed it when it originally
aired where I lived. I think it was very much a character oriented ep
and I'm wondering just how big a part censors might have played in
limiting what they wanted to do.

I do agree that this ep does reveal much about the temper of the times
especially as involves relationships and male/female work dynamics and
race issues and pressure from outside might well have put the kibosh on
further developing Ellis and the interceptor pilot's (Bradley's?)
relationship.

Again, I'm glad I found this list and that there are still those of us
who remember this gem of a show and I'm doing my part to educate the
younger generations (My wife and baby girl...)

Take care,
Joe

"J. Smith" wrote:

> Turning to COMPUTER AFFAIR--I grew up in the southern US, so an
> interracial romance would most definitely have been a sensitive
> subject--at least in that region of the country--I can't speak for
> how it would have been received in Britain or Continental Europe
> during that period though.

To be honest, even at the age of ten I remember finding it a bit
shocking! It seemed as out of place in 1970 as the alcohol-free
champagne, the wireless telephones and the nehru suits. Watching
Computer Affair for the first time as a child, I assumed that it
was a 'futuristic' thing - something that might happen in ten
years' time, but wouldn't happen in 1970.

"J. Smith" wrote:

> Hello, new member here...well, old UFO watcher--I remember seeing the
> episodes growing up...

GREETINGS!

> I picked up the first dvd set last week and, dragging my...rather
> younger...wife--she was born about 4 years after the show first
> aired...to the TV, we had a mini-marathon. It was fun watching those
> old eps again for the first time in nearly thirty years--and, the look
> on my wife's face was priceless as she saw the costuming and sets--and
> then as she started drooling over Straker and Alec Freeman...that's all
> right though, I was busy falling in love all over again with Lt.
> Ellis...

What? Why isn't she drooling over Foster too? What's wrong with her?
<shrug> Eh, well, just makes it easier for me ...

"Hands off, he's MINE!" [WHAP WHAP]

Gotta keep the others in line, you see ... {{;-)

> Turning to COMPUTER AFFAIR--I grew up in the southern US, so an
> interracial romance would most definitely have been a sensitive
> subject--at least in that region of the country--I can't speak for how
> it would have been received in Britain or Continental Europe during that
> period though. In fact, I think this might well have been the first
> time I've seen this ep--I don't think they showed it when it originally
> aired where I lived. I think it was very much a character oriented ep
> and I'm wondering just how big a part censors might have played in
> limiting what they wanted to do.

Hmmmmm, do the censors have as much say in Britain as they do here?

LOL! Welcome, Joe!!

-- Yuchtar, the friendly Klingon

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Jaime wrote:

> > I thought that "Computer Affair" was one of the most well written and
> > acted
> > episodes of the series...
> > Gary
>
> Well I'm glad I'm not the *only* person that likes this episode !!
> I can't believe how negative some people have been towards Computer
> Affair.

Yeah, I think it's an okay ep too. All the computer analysis - heh.
(My vote for most boring ep would be Sound of Silence)

> I concur with your comments Gary.
> I think the episode is particularly well written and acted.
> I particularly like seeing Lt. Ellis out of the purple wig at SHADO

Those purple wigs are a bit distracting, aren't they?

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Another reminder, they said time is of the essence, before they tear
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" fans should also express their passion about the show to UPN, TNT, and
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Write, fax and call UPN, TNT & Showtime.

Here is the relevant contact info:

UPN

Dean Valentine (CEO)
Adam Ware (COO)
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Danielle Greene (Alternative Development, Current programming)

United Paramount Network
11800 Wilshire Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90025

Phone: 310-575-7000
fax: 310 575 7210

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SHOWTIME

Jerry Offsay (Pres., programming)
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Gary Levine (VP., Original programming)

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phone: 310-551-6300

or

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