Discovery.

One idea worth talking about; how the aliens ever got to learn of human
life on earth, how long it took them to make the search, and if they`ve
ever found similar discovery of life on other worlds.

One thing also puzzles me: It`s the contradiction between SHADO defending
the earth against the aliens, and SETI
looking for signs of 'Intelligent` life
in the universe.

Surely, it's not a contradiction.

At the moment we have no proof (yet) of extraterrestrial life, and hence
SETI search legitimate, logical and worthwhile search.

Whereas in UFO, SHADO came about ONLY after proof existed of UFO's and that
they were a danger to human beings: killing them and abducting them back to
their planet. If the aliens (in UFO) had not done this, there would have
never been a reason for SHADO to have been formed in the first place, and it
all might have been very different...

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Lazenby [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:56 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Discovery.

One idea worth talking about; how the aliens ever got to learn of human life
on earth, how long it took them to make the search, and if they`ve ever
found similar discovery of life on other worlds.

One thing also puzzles me: It`s the contradiction between SHADO defending
the earth against the aliens, and SETI looking for signs of 'Intelligent`
life in the universe.

> One thing also puzzles me: It`s the contradiction between SHADO
> defending the earth against the aliens, and SETI looking for
> signs of 'Intelligent` life in the universe.

Yes, but does SETI even exist in the "UFO Universe"?

Also, things like SETI could be seen as a front to make the
public believe that we haven't found any Aliens, and even
if we did, they'd probably be friendly. This comforts
the public, while secret agencies like SHADO know
what's REALLY going on...

Marc

"Griff" wrote:
> Surely, it's not a contradiction.
>
> At the moment we have no proof (yet) of extraterrestrial life,
> and hence SETI search legitimate, logical and worthwhile
> search.
>

Indeed - and even if we did encounter a real extra-terrestrial
species, I can't see a good reason to stop looking for others
elsewhere in the Universe. Indeed, it would be a massive
encouragement, not a reason to stop.

>>At the moment we have no proof (yet) of extraterrestrial life
>Indeed

Yes, but do you really think there is no proof, or are you
just part of the public that's been conned by the real-life
version of SHADO?

It seems that there've been a great number of testimonials
from government & military folks that there is proof, for
example: http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Of course, I realize that being a fan of a TV show called
"UFO" doesn't make you a believer in UFOs, but still I'd
assume that perhaps such folks would be more open to the
possibility that the proof is already out there...

Marc

If anyone on this list is planning to attend the Paul
Darrow appearance at 10th Planet, could you email me
privately? Thanks in advance!

JF

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The SHADOW Knows huh, surely an unintenional pun. Of course SHADO could use a few like him and his gang. They would fit right in.

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:. This comforts
the public, while secret agencies like SHADO know
what's REALLY going on...

Marc



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--With regards to there being any proof, if there was any potential
threat don't you think the military in both Britain and more
especially America, would mount the maximum possible defence? Instead
we have a situation where both Britain's and America's air defence
networks have been cut to the bone. The military may not be able to
mount an effective defence against a threat but they would tend to
mount the maximum defence they could.

Adrian Flitcroft

- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:

"davrecon" wrote:
>

> Hey Pam,
>
> Try "The Sentinal", by Arthur C. Clarke. Best one of all of
> them....IMHO.
>
Ah yes, 'The Sentinel' - the short story upon which 2001, or the
'two movie' for our Klingon subscribers, was based.

>--With regards to there being any proof, if there was any potential
>threat don't you think the military in both Britain and more
>especially America, would mount the maximum possible defence?

You jumped from "proof" to "threat" there. One should allow for
the possibility that not every civilization in the universe is
as war-mongering as our own...

Marc

Marc Martin wrote:

> You jumped from "proof" to "threat" there. One should allow for
> the possibility that not every civilization in the universe is
> as war-mongering as our own...
>

Excellent point, given that not every civilisation on Earth is as
war-mongering as yours or mine.

However, firstly, if there is extra-terrestrial life, as I believe
there is, there must at least be a number of potential belligerent
threats, and secondly since we are a different species, maybe they
wouldn't consider it warmongering in the first place. Look at the
way we often treat other species from our own planet.

>Is that the one where the guy made the TRex standing up and put the head on
the tail?

>Dave H.

That or something pretty much like it Dave, been a while since I' ve seen the
documentary.

James K.


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>maybe they
>wouldn't consider it warmongering in the first place. Look at the
>way we often treat other species from our own planet.

Heh, heh... now we're back on-topic -- see Straker's speech in IDENTIFIED
on how he thinks the Aliens might view us... "like cattle"...

Marc

I feel James has made a really good point here when he said "Look at the way
we often treat other species from our own planet." I've addressed this issue
in many of my fanfic stories (most notably Still Waters Run deep) in that
the aliens treat us Terrans the way we have historically treated whales,
elephants, tigers, et al - with NO regard for their lives, their form of
intelligence, their needs. We see ouselves as the dominant species on the
globe, and have used that idea to further our exploitation of all the other
animals based on our own egos. Well, my view is that the aliens see us the
same way we see cattle - easily bred, easily replaced, very useful for any
number of things - but not to be seen as anything but below our intelligence
and therefore, deserving of our exploitation. Pam
>
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--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> >--With regards to there being any proof, if there was any
potential
> >threat don't you think the military in both Britain and more
> >especially America, would mount the maximum possible defence?
>
> You jumped from "proof" to "threat" there. One should allow for
> the possibility that not every civilization in the universe is
> as war-mongering as our own...

But. The military was not formed to consider how to respond to
pacifist countries (or Worlds). Their job is to respond to
aggression. If there was proof of an alien civilization, it is much
better to be prepared for aggression, just in case.

One interesting SF story is the first contact between men and Kzin,
by
Larry Niven. While it ends in our favor, the lack of preparedness
nearly caused the story to end badly.