"GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance in the past?

All the Best,

BRIAN

PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?




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Not that this answers your question, but I dont believe the surviving members or their next of kin own the rights to the Beatles song catalog. What was known as the 'Beatles Catalog' was owned by the late Michael Jackson andhe might have borrowed against its worth.

 

Bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Serridge

Sent: Mar 8, 2010 7:01 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

 



Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance in the past?

All the Best,

BRIAN

PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

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> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music
> publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold
> containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with
> clearance in the past?

I seem to vaguely recall this being discussed somewhere, although I
don't recall that it's ever been a problem that ORDEAL contains
Beatles music in it. I know that in some movies that the music
rights have caused problems with the movie being released on video,
but never appears to have been a problem with UFO.


> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't
> received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

I thought I saw this question posted already, but perhaps I just
imagined it... :-)

Marc

I didn't receive it until today, Mark. maybe a space/time thingy. ;-)



Michael Blake

San Antonio, TX





From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:50 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS





> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music
> publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold
> containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with
> clearance in the past?

I seem to vaguely recall this being discussed somewhere, although I
don't recall that it's ever been a problem that ORDEAL contains
Beatles music in it. I know that in some movies that the music
rights have caused problems with the movie being released on video,
but never appears to have been a problem with UFO.

> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't
> received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

I thought I saw this question posted already, but perhaps I just
imagined it... :-)

Marc





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Hi,

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

I have been told my my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) thatin the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment' for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way theproducer/director saw fit during that film/sequence". This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also there were no credits givento the Beatles, and also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changedup, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotional piece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed topublicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and I doubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronizationroyalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff

--- In [hidden email], Brian Serridge <brianserridge@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance inthe past?
>
> All the Best,
>
> BRIAN
>
> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn'treceived. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

I know what you mean. Sigourney Weaver had to get permission to sing "You Are My Lucky Star" at the end of ALIEN (just before she harpoons it!!).

All the Best,

BRIAN



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 19:50:22
Subject: Re: [SHADO] "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

 
> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music
> publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold
> containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with
> clearance in the past?

I seem to vaguely recall this being discussed somewhere, although I
don't recall that it's ever been a problem that ORDEAL contains
Beatles music in it. I know that in some movies that the music
rights have caused problems with the movie being released on video,
but never appears to have been a problem with UFO.

> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't
> received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

I thought I saw this question posted already, but perhaps I just
imagined it... :-)

Marc




     

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Y'know, that reminds me.....how do people post UFO videos on YouTube
and videos with other songs in them? Isn't there some sort of issue with that?....And how are these people getting those rights cleared.
I'd really like to know how to get those rights,
Thanks


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----- Original Message -----
From: griffwason
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:21 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS


   
Hi,

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

I have been told my my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) that in the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment'for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way the producer/director saw fit during that film/sequence". This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also there were no credits given to the Beatles, and also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changed up, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotionalpiece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed to publicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and Idoubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronization royalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff

--- In [hidden email], Brian Serridge <brianserridge@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance in the past?
>
> All the Best,
>
> BRIAN
>
> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?



 

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I THINK people just post stuff on YouTube without paying for the rights a lot of the time.  Quite often stuff gets pulled when rights ownerscomplain, though.  There was a trailer for a new movie I had receiveda link to on YouTube recently.  And it had been pulled by the time I got there.
 
Jeff

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, davrecon <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: davrecon <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 2:03 PM


 



Y'know, that reminds me.....how do people post UFO videos on YouTube
and videos with other songs in them? Isn't there some sort of issue with that?....And how are these people getting those rights cleared.
I'd really like to know how to get those rights,
Thanks

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----- Original Message -----
From: griffwason
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:21 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

Hi,

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

I have been told my my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) thatin the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment' for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way theproducer/director saw fit during that film/sequence" . This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also there were no credits given to the Beatles, and also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changed up, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotional piece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed topublicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and I doubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronizationroyalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, Brian Serridge <brianserridge@ ...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance inthe past?
>
> All the Best,
>
> BRIAN
>
> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn'treceived. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

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I agree with that; there were a number of SG-1 videos, including a couple
I really loved, that got pulled Pity; the people who created the videos
did
put a lot of work into them. But they didn't get permission to use the
clips
or the music.

Evelyn Duncan
[hidden email]

You're on your own, sir.
This can only end in tears.
-- Bartok





In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:42:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I THINK people just post stuff on YouTube without paying for the rights a
lot of the time. Quite often stuff gets pulled when rights owners
complain, though.



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Everyone sues you tube because of copyright issues.

Editing video is easy, adding to or totally replacing soundtracks is just software.

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: davrecon
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS


   
Y'know, that reminds me.....how do people post UFO videos on YouTube
and videos with other songs in them? Isn't there some sort of issue with that?....And how are these people getting those rights cleared.
I'd really like to know how to get those rights,
Thanks

----------------------------------------------------------

----- Original Message -----
From: griffwason
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:21 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

Hi,

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

I have been told my my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) that in the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment'for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way the producer/director saw fit during that film/sequence". This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also there were no credits given to the Beatles, and also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changed up, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotionalpiece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed to publicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and Idoubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronization royalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff

--- In [hidden email], Brian Serridge <brianserridge@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance in the past?
>
> All the Best,
>
> BRIAN
>
> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

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I have the SG1 version of 'The Star Wars Cantina' if you want it.

Nat





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From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, 10 March, 2010 7:01:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

 
I agree with that; there were a number of SG-1 videos, including a couple
I really loved, that got pulled Pity; the people who created the videos
did
put a lot of work into them. But they didn't get permission to use the
clips
or the music.

Evelyn Duncan
brandykitt@aol. com

You're on your own, sir.
This can only end in tears.
-- Bartok

In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:42:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
1shado1@sbcglobal. net writes:

I THINK people just post stuff on YouTube without paying for the rights a
lot of the time. Quite often stuff gets pulled when rights owners
complain, though.

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How do you replace the soundtrack of a TV show if the actors are talking over the music and the original mastertapes no longer exist in order to separate the music from the speech?

All the Best,

BRIAN



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 22:39:54
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

 
Everyone sues you tube because of copyright issues.

Editing video is easy, adding to or totally replacing soundtracks is just software.

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: davrecon
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

Y'know, that reminds me.....how do people post UFO videos on YouTube
and videos with other songs in them? Isn't there some sort of issue with that?....And how are these people getting those rights cleared.
I'd really like to know how to get those rights,
Thanks

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----- Original Message -----
From: griffwason
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:21 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

Hi,

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

I have been told my my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) thatin the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment' for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way theproducer/director saw fit during that film/sequence" . This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also there were no credits given to the Beatles, and also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changed up, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotional piece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed topublicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and I doubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronizationroyalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, Brian Serridge <brianserridge@ ...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance inthe past?
>
> All the Best,
>
> BRIAN
>
> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn'treceived. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

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> Y'know, that reminds me.....how do people post UFO videos on YouTube
> and videos with other songs in them? Isn't there some sort of issue with
> that?....

Well of course... I've seen entire episodes of UFO posted on YouTube.
Then YouTube eventually removes them, because they never should have
been posted there in the first place.

Marc

Not too hard to do tech wise, you use what is a sound mixer or something, forget the tech term. Basically you break down the sound track into individual tracks based on frequency. You lower everything but the speakers voice.

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Serridge
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:27 AM
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS


   
How do you replace the soundtrack of a TV show if the actors are talking over the music and the original mastertapes no longer exist in order to separate the music from the speech?

All the Best,

BRIAN

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 22:39:54
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

  
Everyone sues you tube because of copyright issues.

Editing video is easy, adding to or totally replacing soundtracks is justsoftware.

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: davrecon
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

Y'know, that reminds me.....how do people post UFO videos on YouTube
and videos with other songs in them? Isn't there some sort of issue with that?....And how are these people getting those rights cleared.
I'd really like to know how to get those rights,
Thanks

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----- Original Message -----
From: griffwason
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:21 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: "GET BACK" ROYALTY PAYMENTS

Hi,

The following might help, but I DO know that the UK law has changed somewhat since UFO was made.

I have been told my my publisher (who used to act for some HUGE bands) that in the sixties, it was possible to pay a music company a 'block payment'for use of their music in films "and could be used in just about any way the producer/director saw fit during that film/sequence" . This would correspond with how "Get Back" was used in UFO, and also there were no credits given to the Beatles, and also the track "Get Back" was cut, tempo/speed changed up, and merged in/out with other stock UFO music.

This music track usage was viewed by the music publisher as a promotionalpiece (we may laugh at this now, but at the time the Beatles still needed to publicize their music, it was also a choice made by the publisher, and Idoubt very much whether the Beatles knew anything about it at all) but ONLY if a partial piece of a track was played, and NOT a complete track.

Synchronization rights and royalties - A synchronization license is needed for a song to be reproduced onto a television program, film, video, commercial, radio, or even an 800 number phone message. It is called this because you are "synchronizing" the composition, as it is performed on the audio recording, to a film, TV commercial, or spoken voice-over. If a specific recorded version of a composition is used, you must also get permission from the record company in the form of a "master use" license. The synchronization royalty is paid to songwriters and publishers for use of a song used as background music for a movie, TV show, or commercial.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Griff

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, Brian Serridge <brianserridge@ ...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how much has to be paid in royalties to the music publishers of the Beatles song "Get Back" every time a "UFO" DVD is sold containing the edpisode "Ordeal"? Has this ever caused problems with clearance in the past?
>
> All the Best,
>
> BRIAN
>
> PS. I sent this e-mail to the forum on Saturday, but apparently it wasn't received. Anyone else experiencing similar problems?

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Brian Serridge wrote:
>
> How do you replace the soundtrack of a TV show if the actors are talking over the music and the original mastertapes no longer exist in order to separate the music from the speech?

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Some original tapes may have been lost but there would have been numerous copies of the M&E tracks made. When a film or TV programme is made which has any hope of foreign sales then it is a delivery requirement that apart from the final mixed sound there are also M<&E (Music and Effects) tracks prepared. As the name suggests these are tracks which contain only the separate music and sound effects, no dialogue. A copy of these tracks would be delivered to every foreign TV/Film distributor who bought the production. Thisis so that the production can be dubbed into foreign languages without having to remake all the music and effects. This means that it would be very easy to replace a piece of music, and there have been instances where this has had to be done.

This happened to the film "Scream and Scream Again". It had the "Amen Corner" performing in a nightclub and they also performed the title song. Rightsproblems meant that it is probably impossible to see the original version now. You are now likely to see one of two versions. One I believe is American and has awful and inappropriate (1980s?) synth music covering all the lost music. The other, not ideal but far better, has an apparently 1960s jazzy instrumental cue over the titles (which is actually more appropriate thanthe original Amen Corner track in my opinion) and fairly generic, probablylibrary, 1960's pop songs in the nightclub scenes.

In the case of UFO there would have been originally dozens of copies of theM&E tracks all over the world and still more are probably being produced for new sales and as the series has periodically been remastered and sold for DVD etc.

Regards
John

> In the case of UFO there would have been originally dozens of copies of
> the M&E tracks all over the world and still more are probably being
> produced for new sales and as the series has periodically been remastered
> and sold for DVD etc.

Plus they've been available for download on the Internet for years:

http://ufoseries.com/musicEffects/

:-)

Marc