HD21 Report

>Lorraine Meyer has sent me her detailed HD21
>report, and you can read it here:

http://ufoseries.com/conventions/hd21-report.html

>Thanks Lorraine for taking the time to do this!

>Marc

I enjoyed reading this report as well,excellent.Timelash is my favourite episode.

What I found rather surprising was the ,haughty,mis-trustful and superior attitude on the part of Pinewood by not allowing the very few people on the tour to take pictures of the back lot.
This could easily have been done very discreetly via supervison from Chris Bentley.
What on earth was all the concern about?

Mark



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We took a different perspective on this Mark. Pinewood is an active studio
that produces major movies and, as such, is likely not to want photos
circulating around. Charlie and I just felt privileged to be allowed to tour
the studio and were not offended in any way by not being allowed to take
pictures on the lot. I am sure that they have their reasons and aside from
a few pics of the guests at the theatre and at Heatherden Hall (which is
used publicly as a wedding and meeting venue), we respected their "no
photograph" request. Believe me, it is worth the trip to go see the studio
in person if you can manage it! At no time did we feel that Pinewood or
Fanderson members were making this request because of a superior or
mistrustful attitude. Now if we had managed to locate those underground
SHADO facilities, I definitely would have tried to get a few photos of that!
:-)

Lorraine


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Subject: [SHADO] HD21 Report


>Lorraine Meyer has sent me her detailed HD21
>report, and you can read it here:

http://ufoseries.com/conventions/hd21-report.html

>Thanks Lorraine for taking the time to do this!

>Marc

I enjoyed reading this report as well,excellent.Timelash is my favourite
episode.

What I found rather surprising was the ,haughty,mis-trustful and superior
attitude on the part of Pinewood by not allowing the very few people on the
tour to take pictures of the back lot.
This could easily have been done very discreetly via supervison from Chris
Bentley.
What on earth was all the concern about?

Mark

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> Now if we had managed to locate those underground
> SHADO facilities, I definitely would have tried to get a few photos of that!

By the way, in the photo of the walkway from THE LONG SLEEP, sharp-eyed
viewers might notice Lorraine's head poking out from one of the shrubs
on the left:

http://ufoseries.com/conventions/hd21-walkway.jpg

Marc

...and right at the very end in the distance, you can see me with the UFO fans from Japan between the two end shrubs :)

Lorraine's head popping out by the side is very amusing! Fun picture, thank you for sharing Lorraine :)


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From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] HD21 Report


> Now if we had managed to locate those underground
> SHADO facilities, I definitely would have tried to get a few photos of that!

By the way, in the photo of the walkway from THE LONG SLEEP, sharp-eyed
viewers might notice Lorraine's head poking out from one of the shrubs
on the left:

http://ufoseries.com/conventions/hd21-walkway.jpg

Marc




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Hi all,
With respect to photography on the backlot of Pinewood being barred.
I was a photographer on the photocall at Pinewood for The Spy Who Loved
Me.
So far so good......I was then shown the newly built 007 stage with the
set for the interior of the supertanker that swallows the US and
Russian submarines. I was on the walkway high above the set where the
shootout takes place and where Bond attacks the control centre.
I was told I was not allowed to take any photographs and to keep my
camera in the bag!!!!!!!!

Regards
Howard

--- In [hidden email], "Charles & Lorraine" <airtime25@...>
wrote:
>
> We took a different perspective on this Mark. Pinewood is an active
studio
> that produces major movies and, as such, is likely not to want
photos
> circulating around. Charlie and I just felt privileged to be
allowed to tour
> the studio and were not offended in any way by not being allowed to
take
> pictures on the lot. I am sure that they have their reasons and
aside from
> a few pics of the guests at the theatre and at Heatherden Hall
(which is
> used publicly as a wedding and meeting venue), we respected
their "no
> photograph" request. Believe me, it is worth the trip to go see the
studio
> in person if you can manage it! At no time did we feel that
Pinewood or
> Fanderson members were making this request because of a superior or
> mistrustful attitude. Now if we had managed to locate those
underground
> SHADO facilities, I definitely would have tried to get a few photos
of that!
> :-)
>
> Lorraine


Lorraine

Firstly,I want to make it plain that no criticism is intended with
regard to Fanderson,anyone involved in organising the event, or any
of the guests.I also do not wish to take the shine off what obviously
was a very exciting and enjoyable day.

But the fact remains,it is anchronistic for the studio itself to
prevent a small group of people on a very rare occasion,who have paid
a lot of money to visit the site,only then to unreasonably,and it has
to be said rather pettily,order and restrict them.

No one is suggesting crawling all over the studio,going wherever you
feel like ,snapping like mad.But clearly there was never any danger
of that occuring.

As I suggested a modest number of photos under the supervison of one
of the event organiser's limited only to the areas of the tour,could
not possibly have caused any harm.

It does sound like a blanket policy,without much consideration given
to individual circumstances.

Mark  
 

> Lorraine
>
> Firstly,I want to make it plain that no criticism is intended with
> regard to Fanderson,anyone involved in organising the event, or any
> of the guests.I also do not wish to take the shine off what
obviously
> was a very exciting and enjoyable day.
>
> But the fact remains,it is anchronistic for the studio itself to
> prevent a small group of people on a very rare occasion,who have
paid
> a lot of money to visit the site,only then to unreasonably,and it
has
> to be said rather pettily,order and restrict them.
>
> No one is suggesting crawling all over the studio,going wherever
you
> feel like ,snapping like mad.But clearly there was never any danger
> of that occuring.
>
> As I suggested a modest number of photos under the supervison of  
one
> of the event organiser's limited only to the areas of the
tour,could
> not possibly have caused any harm.
>
> It does sound like a blanket policy,without much consideration
given
> to individual circumstances.
>
> Mark
>
I'll agree that it does sound like they are using a blanket policy
Mark and I guess that is the easiest thing for them to do for groups
touring the studio. It also would put a great deal of responsibility
on the Fanderson organizers to supervise everyone. I would have loved
to have been able to take a few photos of J/K stages, "Harville
Hospital" and even the water tower but, again, I respect that they
(Pinewood studios) must have their reasons for such restrictions. I
am glad that you clarified that you weren't including Fanderson in
your criticism. I also realize that it is difficult, if not
impossible, for some people to attend such events for various reasons
and I don't deny that it would be wonderful if they could see the
pictures of the sites on the studio tour. Perhaps the best thing
would be for one person or organization such as Fanderson to try to
get permission to take photos of these sites and clear them with
Pinewood security and post them. Sounds like a lot of effort though.
Aside from some of the structures, I have to stress that the
excitement of the tour came from actually walking the streets and
being there. A picture of Goldfinger Avenue would be ok but it just
isn't the same.
Lorraine

Hi all, just wondering what people's favourite episodes of UFO are. I've noticed a few comments lately from folks about how they found this or that episode a bit slow or dull or disappointing when rewatching the series on DVD. But what ones do people like the best?

For me, personally, I think the last eight episodes with Ginny Lake are stunningly good, on the whole, and I also think a couple of the earlier ones were very strong as well.

I'd probably say my top 5 are:

1. Timelash.
2. Mindbender.
3. The Long Sleep.
4. Reflections in the Water.
5. Kill Straker.

I'm also fond of A Question of Priorities, Sub-smash, Psychobombs and Cat With Ten Lives, when I'm in the mood. But my top five are the ones that are always pretty cool viewing.

How about you?

Z.


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Hi Harry,

I've said it a few times before, but I actually prefer most of the
earlier production episodes (although not all). I like the more
ascetic, austere, pragmatic and more typically 'Andersonesque'
approach, where the concentration is more on the craft,
technicalities. I've asked myself a few times why this would be, and I
suppose it could be that when I was young I only ever seemed to see
the earlier production episodes, and was bought up on Thunderbords and
Captain Scarlet. When I finally saw the (and in my opinion) later more
wacky episodes, it was quite a surprise. Of course, I love them all,
warts and all. I guess UFO is imprinted in my DNA by now - I know all
the episodes practically word for word, scene for scene, but never
ever get bored of it.

One thing I would say, is that on reading the scripts, some of the
episodes that suffer in presentation do so as some of the more
poignent and crucial points were left on the cutting room floor.
Reading the scripts really makes me wonder and wish at what could have
been...

Griff's top 15 UFO fav's
1 - Identified
2 - E.S.P.
3 - Sub Smash
4 - Court Martial
5 - Exposed

6 - The Responsibility Seat
7 - The Dalotek Affair
8 - Close Up
9 - Computer Affair
10 - Kill Straker!
11 - Flight Path
12 - Conflict
13 - Reflections in the water
14 - Survival
15 - Ordeal

Best to All :)

Griff

--- In [hidden email], zerg harry <zergharry@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, just wondering what people's favourite episodes of UFO are.
I've noticed a few comments lately from folks about how they found
this or that episode a bit slow or dull or disappointing when
rewatching the series on DVD. But what ones do people like the best?

Just posted a poll if it helps.

http://www.eagletransporter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3592

Cheers,

Mark
http://www.eagletransporter.com/forum/
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--- In [hidden email], zerg harry <zergharry@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, just wondering what people's favourite episodes of UFO
are. I've noticed a few comments lately from folks about how they
found this or that episode a bit slow or dull or disappointing when
rewatching the series on DVD. But what ones do people like the best?
>    
> For me, personally, I think the last eight episodes with Ginny
Lake are stunningly good, on the whole, and I also think a couple of
the earlier ones were very strong as well. Psychobombs and Cat With Ten Lives, when I'm in the mood. But my top
five are the ones that are always pretty cool viewing.
>    
> How about you?
>    
> Z.
>    
>        
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>I also like the episodes with Ginny LAKE i wish she had been
In the earlier shows I enjoy THE MAN WHO CAME BACK AND i thought
Col.Jackson was a good character. my top five are
1. MINDBENDER
2. TIMELASH
3. THE MAN WHO CAME BACK
4. THE RESPONSIBILITY SEAT
5. SUBSMASH
Also i do like ORDEAL.  

> For me, personally, I think the last eight episodes with Ginny Lake are
> stunningly good, on the whole, and I also think a couple of the earlier
> ones were very strong as well.

I also tend to prefer the latter ones. They are certainly more
"watchable" after having seen them over and over and over again...

In my UFO Series Guide, I give each episode my own "grade", which
pretty much reveals my favorites and least favorites. The
ones which I gave the best grade ("A") to are:

* CONFLICT
* A QUESTION OF PRIORITIES
* KILL STRAKER!
* SUB-SMASH
* THE CAT WITH TEN LIVES
* DESTRUCTION
* TIMELASH
* MINDBENDER
* THE LONG SLEEP

That's 9 episodes though... I suppose if I were to
narrow it down to 5, it would be:

1. A QUESTION OF PRIORITIES
2. TIMELASH
3. MINDBENDER
4. THE LONG SLEEP
5. THE CAT WITH TEN LIVES

Marc

Hi, everyone. I'm new here, and this seems like a perfect way to
introduce myself. Here are my top 5 favorites:

1. Mindbender
2. Timelash
3, 4, 5 (no particular order). Kill Straker!, A Question of
Priorities, Sub-Smash (even though I have to admit that there are just
so many problems with that episode).

The first 2 are very close in my mind. Even though I think I probably
watch Timelash more, I like Mindbender better because there's more
thinking. Timelash is more of an action episode. Timelash was the
episode that really got me into the series (which I only discovered 2
summers ago).

>Alpharaptor





--- In [hidden email], zerg harry <zergharry@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all, just wondering what people's favourite episodes of UFO are.
I've noticed a few comments lately from folks about how they found
this or that episode a bit slow or dull or disappointing when
rewatching the series on DVD. But what ones do people like the best?

--- zerg harry <[hidden email]> wrote:

But what ones do
> people like the best?
>

In no particular order, Exposed, Kill Straker,
Conflict, A Question of Priorities, and ESP.

Diorite

Nice to see some love for "E.S.P" and "The Responsibility Seat" around here!

I may not have them as top fivers, but I've always felt Responsibility Seat is a hugely entertaining episode (and proof that the characters on screen don't have to be laughing or over-acting for a scene to be funny...especially when Freeman and Ford have that great scene together. Freeman: "What do you think?" Ford: "It's a tough decision." Freeman: "Thanks!").

And E.S.P, while low key compared to the pace of the Pinewood eps, is the precursor to them, because it has a human who is not only controlled by the aliens, but is also enhanced with a "power", in this case the ability to predict the future. Before long people with super-human strength or the ability to jump time would follow, not to mention eps about the aliens' power to induce halluciantions, raise the dead and possess animals.

Z. (winner of the Lt. Keith Ford "stating the obvious" award.)

Diorite Gabbro <[hidden email]> wrote:

--- zerg harry <[hidden email]> wrote:

But what ones do
> people like the best?
>

In no particular order, Exposed, Kill Straker,
Conflict, A Question of Priorities, and ESP.

Diorite





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--- In [hidden email], zerg harry <zergharry@...> wrote:
> Hi all, just wondering what people's favourite episodes of UFO are.
I've noticed a few comments lately from folks about how they found this
or that episode a bit slow or dull or disappointing when rewatching the
series on DVD. But what ones do people like the best?
 
How about you?
>    
> Z.

My vote goes to:
1) Timelash
2) Mindbender
3) Kill Straker!
4) Cat with Ten Lives
5) The Square Triangle

Hi All

Looking at everyone's choices, I guess I'm the exeption that proves
the rule... either that, or I'm just weird! :)

Best to all

Griff

I really liked "Identified" the best. Actually, I don't think there was a
really bad episode in the entire show.

Wendy



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--- In [hidden email], "montgolfier100" <airtime25@...> wrote:
>
> > Lorraine
> >
> > Firstly,I want to make it plain that no criticism is intended
with
> > regard to Fanderson,anyone involved in organising the event, or
any
> > of the guests.I also do not wish to take the shine off what
> obviously
> > was a very exciting and enjoyable day.
> >
> > But the fact remains,it is anchronistic for the studio itself to
> > prevent a small group of people on a very rare occasion,who have
> paid
> > a lot of money to visit the site,only then to unreasonably,and
it
> has
> > to be said rather pettily,order and restrict them.
> >
> > No one is suggesting crawling all over the studio,going wherever
> you
> > feel like ,snapping like mad.But clearly there was never any
danger
> > of that occuring.
> >
> > As I suggested a modest number of photos under the supervison
of   groups
> touring the studio. It also would put a great deal of
responsibility
> on the Fanderson organizers to supervise everyone. I would have
loved
> to have been able to take a few photos of J/K stages, "Harville
> Hospital" and even the water tower but, again, I respect that they
> (Pinewood studios) must have their reasons for such restrictions.  
I
> am glad that you clarified that you weren't including Fanderson in
> your criticism. I also realize that it is difficult, if not
> impossible, for some people to attend such events for various
reasons
> and I don't deny that it would be wonderful if they could see the
> pictures of the sites on the studio tour. Perhaps the best thing
> would be for one person or organization such as Fanderson to try
to
> get permission to take photos of these sites and clear them with
> Pinewood security and post them. Sounds like a lot of effort
though.
> Aside from some of the structures, I have to stress that the
> excitement of the tour came from actually walking the streets and
> being there. A picture of Goldfinger Avenue would be ok but it
just
> isn't the same.
> Lorraine
>
Lorraine

You've been very even-handed.Thankyou.

You could have easily ignored my comments or been critical of a lone
voice,expressing dis-satisfaction of an event I did'nt even attend.

I doubt whether they have caused ripples to the extent that would
prevent future events like HD21 taking place.I can certainly
appreciate why the day was a success and enjoyed by everyone
concerned.

The aim,as you have perhaps highlighted is to consider how such
events could be improved.

With this in mind, it is as well to appreciate, that Pinewood's very
existence depends on the Public interest and response to the product
it is so instrumental in helping to create.And in that context a
more open and engaging attitude towards ordinary people who admire
its place within the entertainment industry (and that includes me)
will certainly do it no harm at all.

May there be many more HD21's

Mark    

At 10:31 12/10/2007, you wrote:

>I really liked "Identified" the best. Actually, I don't think there was a
>really bad episode in the entire show.
>
>Wendy

I'm afraid that I have to disagree with you there, Wendy. Personally,
'Ordeal' was really bad, and the worst episode in the show, although it was
spot on about the Beatles' enduring popularity. ;)


Murray