Inteceptors

Here's something that just occurred to me. How and why is it that
those pilots get in there and dont have pressure suits? What
happens if the ship is damaged?

I would love to have a Q&A with gerry!

It seems there are quite a few instances where the pilots don't wear pressure suits: Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars, Lost in Space, etc. Doesn't make much sense to me, either. Also, for the first 25 missions of the NASA Space Shuttles, pressure suits weren't worn (unless leaving the ship) either.

Jeff

Brinke <[hidden email]> wrote:
Here's something that just occurred to me. How and why is it that
those pilots get in there and dont have pressure suits? What
happens if the ship is damaged?

I would love to have a Q&A with gerry!


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Doesn't the new Battlestar Galactica uses pressure suits for the
Vipers?

George

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Don't know. Haven't watched enough to notice. You're probably right. I was referring to the original. : )

Jeff

Clay <[hidden email]> wrote:


Doesn't the new Battlestar Galactica uses pressure suits for the
Vipers?

George



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In the context of the other shows that were listed, I guessed that you
may have been refering to the original.

So, if UFO was to be redone today, would they have pressure suits for
the Interceptors?

George

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even in the original BG, they wore pressure suits, I think I remember in the
first couple of episodes, when they needed to recruit women pilots, there
was a scene with the women wearing it. But its more like underwear, worn
underneath the uniform.

Then again... are you talking pressure suits.. helping the body cope with
high g's or space suits like the Apollo astronauts wore when exploring the
moon??

Bruce
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--- Clay <[hidden email]> wrote: I would suspect not as they are in a pressurized
cockpit with little room to spare. Which may be the
reason for not wearing pressurized suits at NASA also.
The other reasoning may be that if something happens
to a vehicle as small as an interceptor/viper the
chances of the pilot surviving and the suit being
undamaged suit is pretty infinitesmal. (which, yes, i
probably spelled wrong ... *snerk*)

if they make a UFO movie, i think the shuttle pilots
will probably wear suits as will the skydiver pilots
-- a little more chance of survival when hit on both
of those. interceptors always struck me as the
motorcycle of SHADO and they tend to not fare well
when hit by much of anything. if they modified the
design, it would be a whole new issue as to whether it
was reasonable to put them in pressure suits. the
cockpits were really tiny on those things ....

well, that's dragons 2cents (ever notice that they
left the cent symbol off keyboards????)

laters

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dragon haven wrote:
> well, that's dragons 2cents (ever notice that they
> left the cent symbol off keyboards????)

¢You'd Think they'd know better...¢

the pilots/crew of the shado lunar modules did wear space suits (minus
helmets)


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--- Clay <[hidden email]> wrote: I would suspect not as they are in a pressurized
cockpit with little room to spare. Which may be the
reason for not wearing pressurized suits at NASA also.
The other reasoning may be that if something happens
to a vehicle as small as an interceptor/viper the
chances of the pilot surviving and the suit being
undamaged suit is pretty infinitesmal. (which, yes, i
probably spelled wrong ... *snerk*)

if they make a UFO movie, i think the shuttle pilots
will probably wear suits as will the skydiver pilots
-- a little more chance of survival when hit on both
of those. interceptors always struck me as the
motorcycle of SHADO and they tend to not fare well
when hit by much of anything. if they modified the
design, it would be a whole new issue as to whether it
was reasonable to put them in pressure suits. the
cockpits were really tiny on those things ....

well, that's dragons 2cents (ever notice that they
left the cent symbol off keyboards????)

laters

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We were referring specifically to pressurized, self contained space suits. 'Pressure suits' used to keep blood from pooling in the extremities, and starving the brain of oxygen during high 'g' maneuvers are commonly called 'g-suits'. : )

Jeff
Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:
even in the original BG, they wore pressure suits, I think I remember in the
first couple of episodes, when they needed to recruit women pilots, there
was a scene with the women wearing it. But its more like underwear, worn
underneath the uniform.

Then again... are you talking pressure suits.. helping the body cope with
high g's or space suits like the Apollo astronauts wore when exploring the
moon??



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Although the astronauts HAVE been wearing pressurized space suits since the 26TH mission, but just during launch & re-entry.

Jeff

dragon haven <[hidden email]> wrote:

--- Clay wrote: I would suspect not as they are in a pressurized
cockpit with little room to spare. Which may be the
reason for not wearing pressurized suits at NASA also.

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the biggest problem with the inteceptors is, of course, one and done.
how could they have an airborne vehicle with one missle? the
inteceptors have no defensive capability. ever see one zap an alien
with a laser? nope. they hang there nekked. they need weapons.
(for the movie, of course.)





--- In [hidden email], Jeffrey Nelson <1shado1@s...> wrote:
>
> We were referring specifically to pressurized, self contained
space suits. 'Pressure suits' used to keep blood from pooling in
the extremities, and starving the brain of oxygen during high 'g'
maneuvers are commonly called 'g-suits'. : )
>
> Jeff
> Bruce Sherman <brucesherman@s...> wrote:
> even in the original BG, they wore pressure suits, I think I
remember in the
> first couple of episodes, when they needed to recruit women
pilots, there
> was a scene with the women wearing it. But its more like
underwear, worn
> underneath the uniform.
>
> Then again... are you talking pressure suits.. helping the body
cope with
> high g's or space suits like the Apollo astronauts wore when
exploring the
> moon??
>
>
>
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Inteceptors


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???? What????.....

NASA shuttle launches have all crew members wearing pressurised
emergency escape suits during launches and reentrys. ALL crew members might
not have and use EVA suits, but they all have pressure suits. (....and these
are not to be confused with G suits.)

Also, a tiny cabin has nothing to do as a consideration for whether or
not an occupant wears a pressure suit. Mercury astronauts wore pressure
suits, and their cabin was much smaller than an Interceptor's. SR-71 pilots
wear full pressure suits and their cockpit is pretty cramped as well.

Try telling a pilot they're gonna fly without protection because we
can't spare the room and see the reaction you'll get....

Dave H.

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>
>
>
> dragon haven wrote:
> > well, that's dragons 2cents (ever notice that they
> > left the cent symbol off keyboards????)
>

> ¢You'd Think they'd know better...¢.

lol ... showoff --- where'd you find a keyboard with
that on it? or is there some mystic combination of
keys like there is for spanish n's and things?

dragon


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dragon haven wrote:

>>¢You'd Think they'd know better...¢.
>
>
> lol ... showoff --- where'd you find a keyboard with
> that on it? or is there some mystic combination of
> keys like there is for spanish n's and things?

On the Mac, it's Option+4
Press both Keys at the same time.

???? What????.....
>
> NASA shuttle launches have all crew members
> wearing pressurised
> emergency escape suits during launches and reentrys.
> ALL crew members might
> not have and use EVA suits, but they all have
> pressure suits. (....and these
> are not to be confused with G suits.)

uhm, the comment had to do with the first 26 mercury,
etc launches, not current time. I know they wear them
now. (dragon really has to remember to mention
timeframes in the future ......)
>
> Also, a tiny cabin has nothing to do as a
> consideration for whether or
> not an occupant wears a pressure suit. Mercury
> astronauts wore pressure
> suits, and their cabin was much smaller than an
> Interceptor's. SR-71 pilots
> wear full pressure suits and their cockpit is pretty
> cramped as well.

ok, someone else said they didn't and due to my
complete and total lack of desire to do research at
this moment (i am doing quite enough research for
classes right now, thank you very much *falls over
laughing* ..)
>
> Try telling a pilot they're gonna fly without
> protection because we
> can't spare the room and see the reaction you'll
> get....
>
in the original BG they were just about that smart ...
personally i hadn't really given it a lot of thought
and tossed in my two cents ... teach me to say
anything about techie stuff .......... *dragon looks
frazzled and retreats to her lair for a plunge in the
cooling pool .... *

*grin*

i think i'll stick to Mary arguements from now on
.....

laters all

dragon

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> On the Mac, it's Option+4
> Press both Keys at the same time.

ah *she said brightly* kewl. now, if SHADO had to
choose between Macs and Microsoft ............... LOL
*dragon dragging the missive somewhere vaguely near
topid ....*

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I think Dragon's confusion stems from something I had posted earlier. In one of my first posts on this subject, I had stated that the shuttle astronauts were not required to wear pressure suits on the missions prior to the Challenger accident. But in a later post reiterating what I had said in that earlier post, I mistakenly left out the word SHUTTLE before the word ASTRONAUTS. I'm guessing Dragon was referring to that later post, and assumed that the astronauts weren't required to wear pressure suits on our first 25 missions into space from day 1, due to my omission of the word SHUTTLE (my bad). The astronauts wore pressure suits until the advent of the space shuttle, and then it was apparently felt they weren't needed. Until the Challenger tragedy. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused...

Jeff

dragon haven <[hidden email]> wrote:

???? What????.....
>
> NASA shuttle launches have all crew members
> wearing pressurised
> emergency escape suits during launches and reentrys.
> ALL crew members might
> not have and use EVA suits, but they all have
> pressure suits. (....and these
> are not to be confused with G suits.)

uhm, the comment had to do with the first 26 mercury,
etc launches, not current time. I know they wear them
now. (dragon really has to remember to mention
timeframes in the future ......)
>
> Also, a tiny cabin has nothing to do as a
> consideration for whether or
> not an occupant wears a pressure suit. Mercury
> astronauts wore pressure
> suits, and their cabin was much smaller than an
> Interceptor's. SR-71 pilots
> wear full pressure suits and their cockpit is pretty
> cramped as well.

ok, someone else said they didn't and due to my
complete and total lack of desire to do research at
this moment (i am doing quite enough research for
classes right now, thank you very much *falls over
laughing* ..)
>
> Try telling a pilot they're gonna fly without
> protection because we
> can't spare the room and see the reaction you'll
> get....
>
in the original BG they were just about that smart ...
personally i hadn't really given it a lot of thought
and tossed in my two cents ... teach me to say
anything about techie stuff .......... *dragon looks
frazzled and retreats to her lair for a plunge in the
cooling pool .... *

*grin*

i think i'll stick to Mary arguements from now on
.....

laters all

dragon

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----- Original Message -----
From: "dragon haven" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Inteceptors


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An interesting thing about pressure suits in TV series and movies....

With the old BG, you had the pilots wearing these obnoxiously huge
helmets on their heads while pulling heavy G's, and no body vacuum
protection.

In Space 1999, where they at least tried to make the suits look
convincing, you could see though that they were nothing more than just ski
snowsuits with a drop over collar for the helmet, and it was funny because
when they had fights on the moon and were tossing each other around, you
would see the bottoms of the collars flip up and see the actors bare necks
out there on the supposed airless surface of the moon. It takes more than
just velcro to make an airtight seal....

UFO, at least, seemed to somehow hold the helmet collars down with
straps or something, and you never saw such gaffs, although in reality, the
collar could *never* be a separate part of the suit.

Now, the new BG has them in supposed full pressure suits, yet you see
them get in their cockpits in coveralls and then snap on this little token
of a helmet collar. An airtight helmet locking collar seal is not something
you can just clip on like a bowtie; it has to be completely airtight, and
hold the helmet down against 500-700 lbs of separation force. Look at a real
pressure suit and see how beefy the whole construction really is.

No need for the dragon to retreat to the cooling pool (????). TV and
movies really tend to oversimplify things. But the reality of these things
can be quite mind boggling....

Dave H.

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>
But the reality of these things
> can be quite mind boggling....
>
> Dave H.

Did you ever read Robert A Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit Will Travel"?

Karen