James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment

Liz Shaw was played by Caroline John in P'twee's first series. She was replaced by Katy Manning playing Jo Grant.
Incidentally, Katy made a return to the Whoniverse with an appearane in The Sarah Jane Adventures alongside HER own successor, Elisabeth Sladen & one Matt Smith...
The other companion that got mentioned was Peri (short for Perpugilliam, i think) Brown, her Docs were 5 & 6 (Davison & C. Baker), and yes, her best known feature was her cleavage as she spent part of her first story in a bikini!

--- In [hidden email], Stevan Warburton <stevanbcool@...> wrote:
>
> Apologies, I know it is not Kate Ford; she is from Coronation St. It is Kate
> someone I know. She played Jo, the brainless blond wonder; I prefered Dr Liz
> (unknown surname at present, someone help me here) as she had looks, maturity
> and intelligence. a foil to the lamented Timlord.

True.  The beauty of being an aussie is that we could be either in the middle or
to the side.  Left or right depends on your view point, but we're mostly in the
middle.  ;-)

Nat





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From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, 30 January, 2011 9:20:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] top ten male sci-fi actors

 
The problem with groups like this one where it attracts interest from both sides
of the Atlantic Pond...... some shows that are referenced may not have been
available for viewing on both sides :)

Bruce
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From: Natalie Foster
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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] top ten male sci-fi actors

Not to sure I agree with 1, 2, 4 and 6.
mine are (in no particular order):

1. Robert Beltran
2. Walter Koenig - Chekov (Star Trek)/Bester (Babylon five)
3. Martin Shaw - Doyle/Judge John Deed *sigh*
4. The Hoff - before the ego.
5. Richard Hatch - Battlestar Galactica (the original series)
6. Nickolas Young - John, The Tomorrow People
7. Paul Darrow - Avon, Blakes 7
8. Christopher Eccleston - The Doctor
9. Colin Baker - "
10. Sylvester McCoy - "
11. Paul McGann - "

I know I cheated lol

nat

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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, 30 January, 2011 2:42:12 AM
Subject: [SHADO] top ten male sci-fi actors

Hi,

well, this needs some female drooling material here...

1. Cmdr. Ed Straker - Ed Bishop (UFO - who else on first place?)
2. Cmdr. Spock - Leonard Nimoy (ST:TOS)
3. Cmdr. Chakotay - Robert Beltran (ST:Voyager)
4. Col. Alec Freeman - George Sewell (UFO)
5. Cap. Lew Waterman - Gary Myers (UFO)
6. Cap. James T. Kirk - William Shatner (ST:TOS)
7. Tony Newman - James Darren (Time Tunnel)
8. David Vincent - Roy Thinnes (The Invaders)
9. Dietmar Schonherr - Cap. A. McLean (Space Patrol)
10. Cap. Peter Carlin - Peter Gordeno (UFO)

;-)

An

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In the beginning, Henderson was supposed to run Shado, but due the accident, Henderson couldn't, so they had Straker do it... because the American's were footing most of the bill and wanted an American to run Shado.  Henderson was then appointed to be the person in charge of money for all the space organizations, including Shado, thus setting up the relationship where they wouldn't see eye to eye on everything.

Bruce
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  From: Stevan Warburton
  To: [hidden email]
  Cc: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment


   
  I don't get it; at the start of the series General Henderson & Straker are like
  best buddies but for the rest of the series they are baying for each others
  blood.

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  From: . <[hidden email]>
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 7:35:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment

  i have a ufo issue,.....when paul and the alien were making thier way back to
  moonbase, the other monnbase rescue team shot the alien on sight, paul, felt
  sympathy for that alien, but review the aliens actions. from the start, it was
  hostile to paul and only wanted information on moonbase or to infiltrate it and
  maybe destroy it. after that incident, there was an attack on the moonbase.
  the possible friendship between paul and the alien might have only been a ruse,
  playing on human emotions and characture, to gain entrance with an expendable
  human jigsaw puppet, to get into moonbase and destroy it.
  now, in another episode, an alien possessed human screams ''it is a matter of
  survival !!!''
  so, whatever the aliens really are, they are not sympathetic to humans, and are
  non human entities. this opens up a whole new veiwpoint for fan based media
  u.f.o. series juandra.

  another favorite scene is the general yelling at straker ''yer all a bunch of
  spineless sheep, mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a--a-a-a-ah mwaaaaaaaaaaaa-a--a-a-ah!''
  probably the last thing that straker wanted to hear. demonstrating the alien's
  contemp for humans.
  jim

  --- On Sat, 1/29/11, J A <[hidden email]> wrote:

  From: J A <[hidden email]>
  Subject: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
  To: [hidden email]
  Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 11:01 AM

  Katy Manning, who played Jo Grant alongside Jon Pertwee.

  -- Jamie

  --- In [hidden email], Stevan Warburton <stevanbcool@...> wrote:
  >
  > Apologies, I know it is not Kate Ford; she is from Coronation St. It is Kate
  > someone I know. She played Jo, the brainless blond wonder; I prefered Dr Liz
  > (unknown surname at present, someone help me here) as she had looks, maturity
  > and intelligence. a foil to the lamented Timelord.

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totally corretct!
it also serves as a plot device to make straker seem more human , to invoke sympathy, instead of the untouchable master of covert ops against alien invasion. secrecy in britain was quite a subject in the late 1960's, any one who lived thru that care to relate something?
jim

--- On Sun, 1/30/11, Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 7:52 AM


 



In the beginning, Henderson was supposed to run Shado, but due the accident, Henderson couldn't, so they had Straker do it... because the American's were footing most of the bill and wanted an American to run Shado. Henderson was then appointed to be the person in charge of money for all the space organizations, including Shado, thus setting up the relationship where they wouldn't see eye to eye on everything.

Bruce
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From: Stevan Warburton
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment

I don't get it; at the start of the series General Henderson & Straker are like
best buddies but for the rest of the series they are baying for each others
blood.

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From: . <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 7:35:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment

i have a ufo issue,.....when paul and the alien were making thier way back to
moonbase, the other monnbase rescue team shot the alien on sight, paul, felt
sympathy for that alien, but review the aliens actions. from the start, it was
hostile to paul and only wanted information on moonbase or to infiltrate it and
maybe destroy it. after that incident, there was an attack on the moonbase.
the possible friendship between paul and the alien might have only been a ruse,
playing on human emotions and characture, to gain entrance with an expendable
human jigsaw puppet, to get into moonbase and destroy it.
now, in another episode, an alien possessed human screams ''it is a matter of
survival !!!''
so, whatever the aliens really are, they are not sympathetic to humans, and are
non human entities. this opens up a whole new veiwpoint for fan based media
u.f.o. series juandra.

another favorite scene is the general yelling at straker ''yer all a bunch of
spineless sheep, mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-a--a-a-a-ah mwaaaaaaaaaaaa-a--a-a-ah!''
probably the last thing that straker wanted to hear. demonstrating the alien's
contemp for humans.
jim

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, J A <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: J A <[hidden email]>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 11:01 AM

Katy Manning, who played Jo Grant alongside Jon Pertwee.

-- Jamie

--- In [hidden email], Stevan Warburton <stevanbcool@...> wrote:
>
> Apologies, I know it is not Kate Ford; she is from Coronation St. It is Kate
> someone I know. She played Jo, the brainless blond wonder; I prefered Dr Liz
> (unknown surname at present, someone help me here) as she had looks, maturity
> and intelligence. a foil to the lamented Timelord.

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Hi Jim,

> it also serves as a plot device
> to make straker seem more human ,
> to invoke sympathy, instead of the
> untouchable master of covert ops
> against alien invasion.

Actually there was no specific need for such a plot device. Straker was acted and more often than not also scripted as being quite human alright. No need for such rough devices.

I always viewed Henderson's stroppiness as being the result of his own very much failed marriage (watch Confetti Check A-OK very closely for that, he says it pretty much directly) and his rancour over losing the command of SHADO, as well as his basic health.

It is also quite evident that regardless of what the general does do - Straker shows him utmost respect even then when he plays powergames with him.


Cheers,

An

i guess thats the part he has to play , being in authority over straker.
what was the episode where they had to shut down due to lack of funds?
jim
--- On Sun, 1/30/11, An Delendir <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: An Delendir <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:41 AM


 



Hi Jim,

> it also serves as a plot device
> to make straker seem more human ,
> to invoke sympathy, instead of the
> untouchable master of covert ops
> against alien invasion.

Actually there was no specific need for such a plot device. Straker was acted and more often than not also scripted as being quite human alright. No need for such rough devices.

I always viewed Henderson's stroppiness as being the result of his own very much failed marriage (watch Confetti Check A-OK very closely for that, he says it pretty much directly) and his rancour over losing the command of SHADO, as well as his basic health.

It is also quite evident that regardless of what the general does do - Straker shows him utmost respect even then when he plays powergames with him.

Cheers,

An








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For me the Straker-Henderson dynamic and their often poisonous exchanges is one of the highlights of the show. It does seem the original intention was to introduce an entirely new character as Straker's "boss" but the reintroduction of Henderson was a fine move. The tension between them is not unusual given the different demands of their jobs. Henderson was holding the purse strings and away from the sharp end where Straker operated so maybe didn't fully appreciate what SHADO needed. Perhaps Henderson was frustrated having missed out on the leadership of SHADO but even before his accident at his age he could never have fulfilled the same sort of role as Straker. I would agree that the two did respect each other and in other circumstances they were on good terms but as two strong-minded individuals there would always be potential for arguments.
 
AB

--- On Sun, 30/1/11, An Delendir <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: An Delendir <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 30 January, 2011, 17:41


 



Hi Jim,

> it also serves as a plot device
> to make straker seem more human ,
> to invoke sympathy, instead of the
> untouchable master of covert ops
> against alien invasion.

Actually there was no specific need for such a plot device. Straker was acted and more often than not also scripted as being quite human alright. No need for such rough devices.

I always viewed Henderson's stroppiness as being the result of his own very much failed marriage (watch Confetti Check A-OK very closely for that, he says it pretty much directly) and his rancour over losing the command of SHADO, as well as his basic health.

It is also quite evident that regardless of what the general does do - Straker shows him utmost respect even then when he plays powergames with him.

Cheers,

An









     

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None??

They shut down Shado when they felt a UFO full of exploses were looking for them, so they shut down their radios to not give the UFO a idea where they are.

Bruce
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  Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment


   

  i guess thats the part he has to play , being in authority over straker.
  what was the episode where they had to shut down due to lack of funds?
  jim
  --- On Sun, 1/30/11, An Delendir <[hidden email]> wrote:

  From: An Delendir <[hidden email]>
  Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
  To: [hidden email]
  Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 9:41 AM

  Â  

  Hi Jim,

  > it also serves as a plot device
  > to make straker seem more human ,
  > to invoke sympathy, instead of the
  > untouchable master of covert ops
  > against alien invasion.

  Actually there was no specific need for such a plot device. Straker was acted and more often than not also scripted as being quite human alright. No need for such rough devices.

  I always viewed Henderson's stroppiness as being the result of his own very much failed marriage (watch Confetti Check A-OK very closely for that, he says it pretty much directly) and his rancour over losing the command of SHADO, as well as his basic health.

  It is also quite evident that regardless of what the general does do - Straker shows him utmost respect even then when he plays powergames with him.

  Cheers,

  An

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Hi Alan,


> Perhaps Henderson was frustrated having missed out on the leadership
> of SHADO but even before his accident at his age he could never have
> fulfilled the same sort of role as Straker.

Another aspect, unmentioned so far, is that Henderson was used to have Straker directly under his command as his aide. Even though he now holds his pursestrings, that isn't the case anymore and most likely also rankling given both their backgrounds.

> I would agree that the two did respect each other and in other
> circumstances they were on good terms but as two strong-minded
> individuals there would always be potential for arguments.
 
They do have a common backstory. Henderson most likely considers Straker as being his (former) protegé and Straker certainly has to have a healthy respect for a man who furthered him to the point he is now (regardless of what the job costs him).

Some of the incidents which are cited are actually experienced under the influence of aliens (like in Mindbender) or basic bureaucratic hassles. That Henderson would freak over someone blowing the lid off SHADO, as with Foster in Court Martial, is quite understandable as well.

I actually like the dynamics between the two of them, and Grant Taylor is such an excellent actor as well.

Cheers

An

ok,
im overboard now.
i have so many questions since i was a kid about this show. i really like it, i used to use chicken pot pie tins to make ufos when i was i guess about 10 years old.
why do they spin? do they spin on the inside too? is there some kind of fluid or way the interior cabin doesnt spin or do they just get pinned to the wall?
 
and, ...what do the aliens really look like? not the expendable transplant human alienauts.
are they from mars?
the end of the show eeriely shows mars[?] at the final shot.
are the shado cars electric or jet powered?
there is some kind of eagle looking ufo killer ship i have never seen in the show, that is listed as cannon, a hawk? where did that come from?
did straker's kid live? was straker's child killed in that car accident?
who is in love with who in the show?
thank you,
jim

--- On Sun, 1/30/11, Alan Briscoe <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Alan Briscoe <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:41 PM


 



For me the Straker-Henderson dynamic and their often poisonous exchanges is one of the highlights of the show. It does seem the original intention was to introduce an entirely new character as Straker's "boss" but the reintroduction of Henderson was a fine move. The tension between them is not unusual given the different demands of their jobs. Henderson was holding the purse strings and away from the sharp end where Straker operated so maybe didn't fully appreciate what SHADO needed. Perhaps Henderson was frustrated having missed out on the leadership of SHADO but even before his accident at his age he could never have fulfilled the same sort of role as Straker. I would agree that the two did respect each other and in other circumstances they were on good terms but as two strong-minded individuals there would always be potential for arguments.
 
AB

--- On Sun, 30/1/11, An Delendir <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: An Delendir <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 30 January, 2011, 17:41

 

Hi Jim,

> it also serves as a plot device
> to make straker seem more human ,
> to invoke sympathy, instead of the
> untouchable master of covert ops
> against alien invasion.

Actually there was no specific need for such a plot device. Straker was acted and more often than not also scripted as being quite human alright. No need for such rough devices.

I always viewed Henderson's stroppiness as being the result of his own very much failed marriage (watch Confetti Check A-OK very closely for that, he says it pretty much directly) and his rancour over losing the command of SHADO, as well as his basic health.

It is also quite evident that regardless of what the general does do - Straker shows him utmost respect even then when he plays powergames with him.

Cheers,

An

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Just a quick one Jim.

Shado cars (the type Cmd Straker / Colnel Foster / Lake) drive are gas turbine
hence that jet like start up sound.

Yes Straker's son does die because of the antidote is relocated.
Jackson speculates that after an autopsy the aliens maybe disembodied
intelligence that needs a host to travel through interstellar space. The UFOs
are a complete mystery still to though.



 I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you except I
did not guess it was Mars.

That's all I can tell you on those




________________________________
From: . <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 3:57:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment

 
ok,
im overboard now.
i have so many questions since i was a kid about this show. i really like it, i
used to use chicken pot pie tins to make ufos when i was i guess about 10 years
old.
why do they spin? do they spin on the inside too? is there some kind of fluid or
way the interior cabin doesnt spin or do they just get pinned to the wall?
 
and, ...what do the aliens really look like? not the expendable transplant human
alienauts.
are they from mars?
the end of the show eeriely shows mars[?] at the final shot.
are the shado cars electric or jet powered?
there is some kind of eagle looking ufo killer ship i have never seen in the
show, that is listed as cannon, a hawk? where did that come from?
did straker's kid live? was straker's child killed in that car accident?
who is in love with who in the show?
thank you,
jim

--- On Sun, 1/30/11, Alan Briscoe <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Alan Briscoe <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:41 PM

 

For me the Straker-Henderson dynamic and their often poisonous exchanges is one
of the highlights of the show. It does seem the original intention was to
introduce an entirely new character as Straker's "boss" but the reintroduction
of Henderson was a fine move. The tension between them is not unusual given the
different demands of their jobs. Henderson was holding the purse strings and
away from the sharp end where Straker operated so maybe didn't fully appreciate
what SHADO needed. Perhaps Henderson was frustrated having missed out on the
leadership of SHADO but even before his accident at his age he could never have
fulfilled the same sort of role as Straker. I would agree that the two did
respect each other and in other circumstances they were on good terms but as two
strong-minded individuals there would always be potential for arguments.
 
AB

--- On Sun, 30/1/11, An Delendir <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: An Delendir <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 30 January, 2011, 17:41

 

Hi Jim,

> it also serves as a plot device
> to make straker seem more human ,
> to invoke sympathy, instead of the
> untouchable master of covert ops
> against alien invasion.

Actually there was no specific need for such a plot device. Straker was acted
and more often than not also scripted as being quite human alright. No need for
such rough devices.

I always viewed Henderson's stroppiness as being the result of his own very much
failed marriage (watch Confetti Check A-OK very closely for that, he says it
pretty much directly) and his rancour over losing the command of SHADO, as well
as his basic health.

It is also quite evident that regardless of what the general does do - Straker
shows him utmost respect even then when he plays powergames with him.

Cheers,

An

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you mean some kind of galactic ghost?
or covened and they have bodies somewhere and transplant humans are used as ''tools'' for them as their desperate exclaimation about survival would indicate. or are they ghosts, and just think that they need to survive?
you said it is a mystery, but i was wondering if any fandom has answers on this?
jim

--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Stevan Warburton <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 10:19 AM


 



Just a quick one Jim.

Shado cars (the type Cmd Straker / Colnel Foster / Lake) drive are gas turbine
hence that jet like start up sound.

Yes Straker's son does die because of the antidote is relocated.
Jackson speculates that after an autopsy the aliens maybe disembodied
intelligence that needs a host to travel through interstellar space. The UFOs
are a complete mystery still to though.

I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you except I
did not guess it was Mars.

That's all I can tell you on those

________________________________
From: . <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 3:57:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment

ok,
im overboard now.
i have so many questions since i was a kid about this show. i really like it, i
used to use chicken pot pie tins to make ufos when i was i guess about 10 years
old.
why do they spin? do they spin on the inside too? is there some kind of fluid or
way the interior cabin doesnt spin or do they just get pinned to the wall?

and, ...what do the aliens really look like? not the expendable transplant human
alienauts.
are they from mars?
the end of the show eeriely shows mars[?] at the final shot.
are the shado cars electric or jet powered?
there is some kind of eagle looking ufo killer ship i have never seen in the
show, that is listed as cannon, a hawk? where did that come from?
did straker's kid live? was straker's child killed in that car accident?
who is in love with who in the show?
thank you,
jim

--- On Sun, 1/30/11, Alan Briscoe <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Alan Briscoe <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 4:41 PM

For me the Straker-Henderson dynamic and their often poisonous exchanges is one
of the highlights of the show. It does seem the original intention was to
introduce an entirely new character as Straker's "boss" but the reintroduction
of Henderson was a fine move. The tension between them is not unusual given the
different demands of their jobs. Henderson was holding the purse strings and
away from the sharp end where Straker operated so maybe didn't fully appreciate
what SHADO needed. Perhaps Henderson was frustrated having missed out on the
leadership of SHADO but even before his accident at his age he could never have
fulfilled the same sort of role as Straker. I would agree that the two did
respect each other and in other circumstances they were on good terms but as two
strong-minded individuals there would always be potential for arguments.

AB

--- On Sun, 30/1/11, An Delendir <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: An Delendir <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: James May's 20th century/favourite UFO moment
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 30 January, 2011, 17:41

Hi Jim,

> it also serves as a plot device
> to make straker seem more human ,
> to invoke sympathy, instead of the
> untouchable master of covert ops
> against alien invasion.

Actually there was no specific need for such a plot device. Straker was acted
and more often than not also scripted as being quite human alright. No need for
such rough devices.

I always viewed Henderson's stroppiness as being the result of his own very much
failed marriage (watch Confetti Check A-OK very closely for that, he says it
pretty much directly) and his rancour over losing the command of SHADO, as well
as his basic health.

It is also quite evident that regardless of what the general does do - Straker
shows him utmost respect even then when he plays powergames with him.

Cheers,

An

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>  I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you
>  except I did not guess it was Mars.

I think the planet at the end of the closing credits was intended to be
"The Alien Planet".  It was NOT intended to be Mars.

(although I don't remember how we came to that conclusion!)

Marc

why not mars?
it would be a carbon/ silicate resource base of ops........the craft dont last long in earth's enviroment-from the differance in gravity or electron molelcular bonding due to solar radiation being stronger on earth? maybe hydrating martian metals or plastics is like destructive acid to that.
so, they came across earth. landed on mars, observed while they build simple carbon/silacate ships to grab bodies with, from thier base. or, jumpgates to mars, and then to thier home planet or other bases.
i dont really know im just trying to make up a good story.......lol.
jim

--- On Mon, 1/31/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Planet in the end credits
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 11:38 AM


 



> I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you
> except I did not guess it was Mars.

I think the planet at the end of the closing credits was intended to be
"The Alien Planet". It was NOT intended to be Mars.

(although I don't remember how we came to that conclusion!)

Marc







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i wasnt trying to be snide on that last comment, its just that i have all these models i made, if i cant give them away, i thought some nice destuction footage would be good, comming up with a little story line for it might be nice too......setting these paper models on fire or exploding them would be a shame without a good plot for a reason.
jim

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Planet in the end credits
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 11:38 AM


 



> I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you
> except I did not guess it was Mars.

I think the planet at the end of the closing credits was intended to be
"The Alien Planet". It was NOT intended to be Mars.

(although I don't remember how we came to that conclusion!)

Marc







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I can't see the aliens using Mars as a staging post. It's too near to Earth and they are travelling at several times the Speed of Light (S.O.L 4 etc)   Even Pluto would be too close probably. They would travel from Pluto to Earth in a matter of minutes at times. I think the general consensus of opinion was that the aliens came from another solar system.. and that they had travelled for months. So it must have been a very distant solar system!

But it's a very  interesting theory ..  Heinlein  did something similar in 'Have Space Suit , Will Travel'

LtCdr

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Talking about the alien planet, remember the episode where they send a probe back to the alien planet to take photos?  The camera malfunctions and important data like magnifications fails to make it back, making the whole project worthless.


I know in the script, it was supposed to happen that way.

But lets say this was real life.  The camera couldn't take a photo of the alien in its natural environment?

Bruce
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  From: Marc Martin
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  > I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you
  > except I did not guess it was Mars.

  I think the planet at the end of the closing credits was intended to be
  "The Alien Planet". It was NOT intended to be Mars.

  (although I don't remember how we came to that conclusion!)

  Marc


 


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SID detected the aliens entering the solar system often, didn't it?/

Bruce
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  why not mars?
  it would be a carbon/ silicate resource base of ops........the craft dont last long in earth's enviroment-from the differance in gravity or electron molelcular bonding due to solar radiation being stronger on earth? maybe hydrating martian metals or plastics is like destructive acid to that.
  so, they came across earth. landed on mars, observed while they build simple carbon/silacate ships to grab bodies with, from thier base. or, jumpgates to mars, and then to thier home planet or other bases.
  i dont really know im just trying to make up a good story.......lol.
  jim

  --- On Mon, 1/31/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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  Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 11:38 AM

  Â  

  > I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you
  > except I did not guess it was Mars.

  I think the planet at the end of the closing credits was intended to be
  "The Alien Planet". It was NOT intended to be Mars.

  (although I don't remember how we came to that conclusion!)

  Marc

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i remember that sid did that,.....but what was the farthest point mentioned? the ort cloud? neptune? i dont remember, i guess i have to watch the whole series again, and i dont mind that at all!!!
jim

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Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 5:59 PM


 



SID detected the aliens entering the solar system often, didn't it?/

Bruce
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why not mars?
it would be a carbon/ silicate resource base of ops........the craft dont last long in earth's enviroment-from the differance in gravity or electron molelcular bonding due to solar radiation being stronger on earth? maybe hydrating martian metals or plastics is like destructive acid to that.
so, they came across earth. landed on mars, observed while they build simple carbon/silacate ships to grab bodies with, from thier base. or, jumpgates to mars, and then to thier home planet or other bases.
i dont really know im just trying to make up a good story.......lol.
jim

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Planet in the end credits
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 11:38 AM

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> I was wondering about that planet and got the same inclination as you
> except I did not guess it was Mars.

I think the planet at the end of the closing credits was intended to be
"The Alien Planet". It was NOT intended to be Mars.

(although I don't remember how we came to that conclusion!)

Marc

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I aways assumed it to be a near Earth asteroid. Even at it's closest approach to Earth, Mars would be roughly forty eight million miles away. Both the Earth and our moon would appear as bright dots, as observed from the Martian orbit.

That being said, I agree with Marc, the producers of the show probably wanted the audience to assume that it was, in fact, the alien planet. Not to mention the dramatic music at the end.