MAN WHO CAME BACK

Hi all,

I see that our discussion on the UFO episode THE MAN WHO CAME BACK
hasn't gotten very far... is there ANYONE who has something they'd
like to say about this episode?

Marc

This is one of my favorite episodes and it has its own
strange-ness to it...

1) Can anyone DENY that Darren Nesbitt is a literal
walking, talking, living Fanderson puppet? With those
HUGE lips?? And that hair? He looks like
Supermariation in the flesh! The only thing missing
are the wires!! Is he still alive..?

2)Where did this Col. Grey come from??? Gary Raymond
is a familar face in British movies and TV of that
era, but...it's like he walked on off the street and
just joined SHADO. Certainly that role should have
been Foster's with some other SHADO operative being
the injured "co-pilot."

3) A very telling sign that despite the placement of
an "American" actor in the role of Straker, UFO
remains truly British--which is it, no denying that.
But I rememberm even as a kid, that vague line...
"What about Collins?" "He's out of it." HUH?
He's..what? Come again? Just reminds me of Brian
Donlevy bellowing around the Quatermass films and then
asks some gal to "organize some coffee."
Ehhh...huh-huh-huh....say what?

4) SID shows incredible AI for 1980.."I'm
hit.....I'm..hit....I'm...hit.."

5. When this episode was shown on The Sci-Fi Channel
years ago, the entire scene of Grey talking to the
blind guy was completely cut out. Just FYI...

Good episode, but..."Col. Grey" just doesn't belong
there.

JF

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Yeah, I didn;t care for this one because it focused on
guest srats to the detriment of the regular crew. Gary
Raymond was so good in The Rat Patrol, it kept pulling
me out of the episode. :)

Scott

Quoting ultramannick <[hidden email]>:

> 2)Where did this Col. Grey come from??? Gary Raymond
> is a familar face in British movies and TV of that
> era, but...it's like he walked on off the street and
> just joined SHADO.

This is fallout from the change to Pinewood studios --
originally Gary Raymond's Col. Gray character was
to be the replacement character for Col. Freeman. In
the end, they went with Col. Virginia Lake, but this
episode has them both!

Marc

Darren Nesbitt is still alive. He dropped out of acting for a while in the
80's and 90's and live in Spain. But he is back in England now and acting
again. He was in one of the Christmas shows last year.

James K.


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He's coming to Glasgow soon in a play - I'm going with friends to see it :o)

Chers,
Lesleyxx

> Darren Nesbitt is still alive. He dropped out of acting for a while in
the
> 80's and 90's and live in Spain. But he is back in England now and acting
> again. He was in one of the Christmas shows last year.
>
> James K.

Oddly enough I watched that very episode last week, and I thought it stunk a
bit.
There were plenty of chances to kill Straker before getting into space - I
did watch it alongside Kill Straker, and thought it was really just the same
story, reshashed.
Grant,

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In a message dated 22/08/03 08:34:59 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:


> I always wondered what the heck happened to Jackson. I would have liked to
> see Straker turn the tables on Jackson and tell him 'I'm afraid you will
> live,
> Doctor' when he woke up from being whacked on the head

I'm addressing that very thing in my fanfic Repercussions [the rewrite so not
posted anywhere yet] siiiiigh heh - it always bothered me that no-one
explained what happened.




Claire







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Actually SID isn't an AI. That was just a stuck sound loop. Just like they had one lady who did all the time and tempature recordings by making one set and then cross looping them for all proable combanations, they did the same thing with SID.
Of course you can do it much faster now adays with current computers. You don't even need a "Live" voice anymore.

Robert Thomas wrote:
> Actually SID isn't an AI. That was just a stuck sound loop. Just
> like they had one lady who did all the time and tempature
> recordings by making one set and then cross looping them for all
> proable combanations, they did the same thing with SID.

Fair point, perhaps you're right - SID really only makes
announcements, it never answers questions or demonstrates
understanding of syntax in any way. In fact a present day computer
program with a set of stored phrases and announcements,
incorporating appropriate values for distance, speed, trajectory
etc could very easily do what SID does, but not with such a
convincing human voice.

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From: "ultramannick" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] MAN WHO CAME BACK


> This is one of my favorite episodes and it has its own
> strange-ness to it...
>
>

I agree, this was one of my favorite episodes, DISPITE many of the plot
stupidities of it. Using a top SHADO official, with all his sensitive
internal knowledge of SHADO operations, as merely an assasination robot was
quite stupid, and indeed going thru all the BS on moonbase with Foster and
such, instead of just walking into his ol' pal Straker's office and blowing
him away was weak.

But I did like the direction on this ep better than on most, and I
always though Col. Grey was a great character and had wished he turned up
in more episodes. I also like some of the technical stuff they showed; like
Collins being rescued from the jungle, the scenes around the moonbase, many
showing the people in their off duty hours and in locations we don't usually
see in other eps, and some of the exchanges between Grey and Col. Lake were
better than is evident in other eps.
I also liked that exchange between Collins and Lake in the lounge, where
he's relating to her his thoughts as he was awaiting rescue and looking up
at the sky, thinking how "....Just think, ol' Ginny's up there...."

The ending was real weak though, where they show Foster exclaiming
"....He could have killed you!...."
Yeah buddy, you're one to talk!
It all did seem a little too close to Kill Staker.

But it was still good because of the more imaginative-than-usual
direction, and the background filler. It is eps like this that I've used to
formulate base plans, drawings, and layouts from. It is fertile for
imagination.

Dave H.