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from my experience a pre0fabricated part is a part that is made up of basic components for ease of assembly onsite or in units smaller than the whole completed unit.
 
broadly speaking basic materials could be interpreted as a prefabrication,
 
as they are crushed or cut or melted into a basic material,
 
 but generally speaking it would be something that was assembled or made at a factory
and brought to a place to snap into place to make a whole unit.
 
jim

--- On Thu, 6/16/11, Jeffrey Nelson <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jeffrey Nelson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 9:23 PM


 



Please forgive my possible ignorance, as I am reading these quotes taken out of context.
 
I've always thought of "pre-fab" as applying to "modules or units" made (as in assembled)  out of various "materials" (such as steel and concrete) offsite, then hauled in and installed in sections (or whatever they would be called).  Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then assembling them onsite, for example.  Or pouring a concrete wall into a form offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to pouring the wall onsite.
I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders or a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab".  My experience is somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just misunderstanding the quotes that I have read in this discussion.  :-)
 
Jeff
--- On Thu, 6/16/11, Yuchtar <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Yuchtar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 10:36 PM

 

An Delendir wrote:

> And yes, the underground HQ was supposed to be hidden. Thus - no one should notice it is being excavated (see above). And - the excavation must take place with the topside unchanged to the public eye. The static calculations for this alone are a nightmare. The relevant installation of equipment as well. None of that can be done in a matter of months, especially not when entirely hidden from the public.
>

But it does NOT have to be ENTIRELY hidden if it can be explained as
being required for something else ...

>>Second, who says they didn't use any pre-fab materials?? You?
>
>
> It is prefab modules or units, not materials.

Oh, sorry, is 'material' the wrong word? Let's see what the dictionary
says ...

material (n) the substance or things from which something is or can be
made or with which something is done.

No, that sounds about right to me.

> Which mass-producing factory would you have build 10+ feet thick, leadlined concrete walls? How would you transport these, especially in secrecy? How get them down a covered construction site? They would definitely not have fitted through the studio gate and quite likely strained any lifting gear available for the site.
>

Military. Does not have to be SECRET. Tell them to make this and they
make it - they don't ask why.

> Trying to curb my participation in this discussion, rsp. telling me what I may or may not talk about, is offensive, outside your competence and rather blatantly the contrary of what a discussion list is supposed to be.
>

Outside my competence? In what, exactly, do I require competence before
expressing my opinion here?

> There is a general Netiquette for discussion lists of any sort, which says pretty much this:
>
> "No ad hominem attacks. An ad hominem attack is marked by an attack
> on an opponent's character/person rather than by an answer to the
> contentions made in the debate."

When did I attack you ad hominemly? Calling you chica? Sorry, I could
have sworn you used that term yourself at one point - apologies if I was
wrong.

> So far I tend to believe that a discussion about canon is on topic for the SHADO-list. So far *I* have not once attacked anyone on a personal level and been perfectly polite as well.
>

I think Marc, the list owner, has already pointed out how impolite it
was for you to tell everyone else they were WRONG when they weren't ...

> As to me and canon - I am anal about canon. I readily confess to that. People will have to live with it. I'm not going to change in that respect.
>

No, no, hon, you're not anal about canon, you're anal about YOUR VERSION
of canon and that's not quite the same thing. Petulantly stamping your
foot and demanding everyone accept your version of canon as the one true
gospel is called 'not playing well with others.' (As an aside, and
apropos of nothing, is slash canon, BTW? According to your version? Just
wondering).

> That said, it is for those just as anal and fascinated about verifiable, logical detail that Lightcudder and I have sat down for hours daily and started off that wiki. We're not getting paid for this, we don't even expect getting a thumbs up, and even though quite a few have started reading and consuming it, few opted to help so far. You did not do so either, I might note.
>

And if I did, would my contribution be included if it differed from YOUR
version of canon?

> If I am outspoken about canon facts, then this is because I am prepared to discuss their veracity. With those wanting to or willing to discuss.
>

But you're not discussing, you're brow-beating - again, there's a
difference.

Y

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Wow. Okay, but a pre-fab 'module' could still be called 'material' since
it is being used to form the building as a whole, so when I said
'pre-fab materials,' it was not so wrong as to be misunderstood. Three
pre-fab 'modules' and one pre-fab 'unit' could collectively be called
pre-fab 'materials' and it would not be WRONG according to the
definition of 'material.'

Y


Jeffrey Nelson wrote:

> Please forgive my possible ignorance, as I am reading these quotes taken out of context.
>  
> I've always thought of "pre-fab" as applying to "modules or units" made (as in assembled)  out of various "materials" (such as steel and concrete) offsite, then hauled in and installed in sections (or whatever they would be called).  Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then assembling them onsite, for example.  Or pouring a concrete wall into a form offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to pouring the wall onsite.
> I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders or a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab".  My experience is somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just misunderstanding the quotes that I have read in this discussion.  :-)
>  
> Jeff



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Works for me Yucthy. :)

--- In [hidden email], Yuchtar <yuchtr@...> wrote:
>
> Wow. Okay, but a pre-fab 'module' could still be called 'material' since
> it is being used to form the building as a whole, so when I said
> 'pre-fab materials,' it was not so wrong as to be misunderstood. Three
> pre-fab 'modules' and one pre-fab 'unit' could collectively be called
> pre-fab 'materials' and it would not be WRONG according to the
> definition of 'material.'
>
> Y

Thanks, Yuchtar!  I didn't mean to infer that you were wrong, only looking for clarification due to my limited understanding of the subject, and reading out of context.  I thought I might be wrong, actually.  I now see that it works either way.  Thanks again for the help.  :-)
 
Jeff

--- On Thu, 6/16/11, Yuchtar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Yuchtar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 11:47 PM


 



Wow. Okay, but a pre-fab 'module' could still be called 'material' since
it is being used to form the building as a whole, so when I said
'pre-fab materials,' it was not so wrong as to be misunderstood. Three
pre-fab 'modules' and one pre-fab 'unit' could collectively be called
pre-fab 'materials' and it would not be WRONG according to the
definition of 'material.'

Y

Jeffrey Nelson wrote:

> Please forgive my possible ignorance, as I am reading these quotes taken out of context.
>
> I've always thought of "pre-fab" as applying to "modules or units" made (as in assembled) out of various "materials" (such as steel and concrete) offsite, then hauled in and installed in sections (or whatever they would be called). Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then assembling them onsite, for example. Or pouring a concrete wall into a form offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to pouring the wall onsite.
> I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders or a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab". My experience is somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just misunderstanding the quotes that I have read in this discussion. :-)
>
> Jeff

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i think that a few prefab modular units could have been sunk into place easily. the apt i live in was trucked in from san fransisco, over 400 miles south, and is 3 stories tall and has 12 units in it , including stairs and hallways.
so that is not unreasonable as an approach to how shado was covertly built.
jim
--- On Thu, 6/16/11, Yuchtar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Yuchtar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 9:47 PM


 



Wow. Okay, but a pre-fab 'module' could still be called 'material' since
it is being used to form the building as a whole, so when I said
'pre-fab materials,' it was not so wrong as to be misunderstood. Three
pre-fab 'modules' and one pre-fab 'unit' could collectively be called
pre-fab 'materials' and it would not be WRONG according to the
definition of 'material.'

Y

Jeffrey Nelson wrote:

> Please forgive my possible ignorance, as I am reading these quotes taken out of context.
>
> I've always thought of "pre-fab" as applying to "modules or units" made (as in assembled) out of various "materials" (such as steel and concrete) offsite, then hauled in and installed in sections (or whatever they would be called). Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then assembling them onsite, for example. Or pouring a concrete wall into a form offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to pouring the wall onsite.
> I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders or a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab". My experience is somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just misunderstanding the quotes that I have read in this discussion. :-)
>
> Jeff

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And even with the exterior lead sheathed shell poured in place, there's
absolutely no reason to assume that the interiors, and the buttresses we see
in the various corridors, weren't prefabricated and brought in - although
you do have to wonder why their finish work was so bad. Hmm. *grin*.  

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of .
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:25 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers

 

 


i think that a few prefab modular units could have been sunk into place
easily. the apt i live in was trucked in from san fransisco, over 400 miles
south, and is 3 stories tall and has 12 units in it , including stairs and
hallways.
so that is not unreasonable as an approach to how shado was covertly built.
jim
--- On Thu, 6/16/11, Yuchtar <[hidden email]
<mailto:yuchtr%40earthlink.net> > wrote:

From: Yuchtar <[hidden email] <mailto:yuchtr%40earthlink.net> >
Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 9:47 PM

 

Wow. Okay, but a pre-fab 'module' could still be called 'material' since
it is being used to form the building as a whole, so when I said
'pre-fab materials,' it was not so wrong as to be misunderstood. Three
pre-fab 'modules' and one pre-fab 'unit' could collectively be called
pre-fab 'materials' and it would not be WRONG according to the
definition of 'material.'

Y

Jeffrey Nelson wrote:

> Please forgive my possible ignorance, as I am reading these quotes taken
out of context.
>
> I've always thought of "pre-fab" as applying to "modules or units" made
(as in assembled) out of various "materials" (such as steel and concrete)
offsite, then hauled in and installed in sections (or whatever they would be
called). Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in
as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then
assembling them onsite, for example. Or pouring a concrete wall into a form
offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to pouring
the wall onsite.
> I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders or
a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab". My experience is
somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just misunderstanding
the quotes that I have read in this discussion. :-)
>
> Jeff

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From Straker's presentation to the UN Security Council, I got the impression that all the details, designs, construction methods, for the organization had been worked out in advance. I suspect that the plans for SHADO were in the making long before 1970 (conjecture on my part) and that in itself would have saved quite a bit of time. We know from the series that not all of SHADO's systems were 100% in 1980 as the Utronic equipment was just being installed.

I sensed a huge air of urgency in Straker's presentation, so it makes sense that the project would have pulled all the stops in getting done as quick as possible. That means throwing money at it, a lot of money. Like the best and brightest minds were brought in to man SHADO, it is reasonable to assume that the people who built it were the best at what they did.



--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:

> I sensed a huge air of urgency in Straker's presentation, so it makes
> sense that the project would have pulled all the stops in getting
> done as quick as possible

Well of course it was urgent -- the French delegate's daughters life
was in danger!  :-)

Marc

You've read one of Deb's stories! *grin*

> Well of course it was urgent -- the French delegate's daughters life
> was in danger!  :-)
>
> Marc
>

AND if the site chosen had already had all the ground water and other
studies done in advance - say for a mine or cave that was going to be
converted to something else, or a planned bunker in the area - then you've
just shaved six or more months off the planning stage.

There's no reason to assume that site was chosen at random or for it's
proximity to London - it could have been placed anywhere. So one of the
reasons for that location in particular could well have been that all the
studies had already been done, even if it was for another project.

CAD (Computer aided drafting) was wide-spread and there were people around
with lots of experience designing underground bunkers of that size. SHADO's
projected power requirements may have been higher than other installations,
but most people accept that SHADO was nuclear-powered and military nuclear
power plants are pretty modular - so they certainly didn't need to reinvent
it. And just not reinventing things that don't need to be speeds up the
process.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 2:01 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

From Straker's presentation to the UN Security Council, I got the impression
that all the details, designs, construction methods, for the organization
had been worked out in advance. I suspect that the plans for SHADO were in
the making long before 1970 (conjecture on my part) and that in itself would
have saved quite a bit of time. We know from the series that not all of
SHADO's systems were 100% in 1980 as the Utronic equipment was just being
installed.

I sensed a huge air of urgency in Straker's presentation, so it makes sense
that the project would have pulled all the stops in getting done as quick as
possible. That means throwing money at it, a lot of money. Like the best and
brightest minds were brought in to man SHADO, it is reasonable to assume
that the people who built it were the best at what they did.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Deborah
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> And even with the exterior lead sheathed shell poured in place, there's
> absolutely no reason to assume that the interiors, and the buttresses we
see
> in the various corridors, weren't prefabricated and brought in - although
> you do have to wonder why their finish work was so bad. Hmm. *grin*.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of . miles
> south, and is 3 stories tall and has 12 units in it , including stairs and
> hallways.
> so that is not unreasonable as an approach to how shado was covertly
built.
> jim
> --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Yuchtar <yuchtr@...
> <mailto:yuchtr%40earthlink.net> > wrote:
>
> From: Yuchtar <yuchtr@... <mailto:yuchtr%40earthlink.net> >
> Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> be
> called). Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in
> as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then
> assembling them onsite, for example. Or pouring a concrete wall into a
form
> offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to
pouring
> the wall onsite.
> > I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders
or
> a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab". My experience
is
> somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just
misunderstanding




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Ah - that's why Mary thought Straker was cheating on her. He was going
around threatening strange French women? LOL

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 2:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

> I sensed a huge air of urgency in Straker's presentation, so it makes
> sense that the project would have pulled all the stops in getting
> done as quick as possible

Well of course it was urgent -- the French delegate's daughters life
was in danger! :-)

Marc





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See what happens when he hangs around with Alec. *grin*

--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:

they were able to produce high tech hydrogen from air and water plasma reactors. those are not widely used, as with the nuclear waste batteries the navy uses on lifeboats for electricity for motors on them.
but a lot of what we have today, they had bulky, able to function items of the same or near same.
as for the moonbase, it would take three years for a simular kind of base, minus the interceptors, to be shot there and assembled. the one thing that is never mentioned is space madness that happens when brain chemicals are not at earth pull gravity and float around in your brain. even the astronauts had to leave right away because of hyperactivity and delusional behavior.
jim

--- On Fri, 6/17/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 17, 2011, 2:19 PM


 



AND if the site chosen had already had all the ground water and other
studies done in advance - say for a mine or cave that was going to be
converted to something else, or a planned bunker in the area - then you've
just shaved six or more months off the planning stage.

There's no reason to assume that site was chosen at random or for it's
proximity to London - it could have been placed anywhere. So one of the
reasons for that location in particular could well have been that all the
studies had already been done, even if it was for another project.

CAD (Computer aided drafting) was wide-spread and there were people around
with lots of experience designing underground bunkers of that size. SHADO's
projected power requirements may have been higher than other installations,
but most people accept that SHADO was nuclear-powered and military nuclear
power plants are pretty modular - so they certainly didn't need to reinvent
it. And just not reinventing things that don't need to be speeds up the
process.

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 2:01 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

From Straker's presentation to the UN Security Council, I got the impression
that all the details, designs, construction methods, for the organization
had been worked out in advance. I suspect that the plans for SHADO were in
the making long before 1970 (conjecture on my part) and that in itself would
have saved quite a bit of time. We know from the series that not all of
SHADO's systems were 100% in 1980 as the Utronic equipment was just being
installed.

I sensed a huge air of urgency in Straker's presentation, so it makes sense
that the project would have pulled all the stops in getting done as quick as
possible. That means throwing money at it, a lot of money. Like the best and
brightest minds were brought in to man SHADO, it is reasonable to assume
that the people who built it were the best at what they did.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Deborah
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> And even with the exterior lead sheathed shell poured in place, there's
> absolutely no reason to assume that the interiors, and the buttresses we
see
> in the various corridors, weren't prefabricated and brought in - although
> you do have to wonder why their finish work was so bad. Hmm. *grin*.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of . miles
> south, and is 3 stories tall and has 12 units in it , including stairs and
> hallways.
> so that is not unreasonable as an approach to how shado was covertly
built.
> jim
> --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Yuchtar <yuchtr@...
> <mailto:yuchtr%40earthlink.net> > wrote:
>
> From: Yuchtar <yuchtr@... <mailto:yuchtr%40earthlink.net> >
> Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> be
> called). Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in
> as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then
> assembling them onsite, for example. Or pouring a concrete wall into a
form
> offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to
pouring
> the wall onsite.
> > I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders
or
> a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab". My experience
is
> somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just
misunderstanding
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I don't doubt the Moonbase took several years to build, in fact just the
transportation logistics would horrendous.

But I recall reading about research that indicated the low gravity might be
sufficient for plants to grow properly so I assume that even 1/6 gravity
would be enough to keep things in their proper place. From how we see the
Moonbase personnel moving in the base, we really have to assume there's
artificial gravity. That would mean that the astronauts might be at some
risk since they would be the ones experiencing free fall conditions.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of .
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 6:35 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

they were able to produce high tech hydrogen from air and water plasma
reactors. those are not widely used, as with the nuclear waste batteries the
navy uses on lifeboats for electricity for motors on them.
but a lot of what we have today, they had bulky, able to function items of
the same or near same.
as for the moonbase, it would take three years for a simular kind of base,
minus the interceptors, to be shot there and assembled. the one thing that
is never mentioned is space madness that happens when brain chemicals are
not at earth pull gravity and float around in your brain. even the
astronauts had to leave right away because of hyperactivity and delusional
behavior.
jim

--- On Fri, 6/17/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> > wrote:

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 17, 2011, 2:19 PM

 

AND if the site chosen had already had all the ground water and other
studies done in advance - say for a mine or cave that was going to be
converted to something else, or a planned bunker in the area - then you've
just shaved six or more months off the planning stage.

There's no reason to assume that site was chosen at random or for it's
proximity to London - it could have been placed anywhere. So one of the
reasons for that location in particular could well have been that all the
studies had already been done, even if it was for another project.

CAD (Computer aided drafting) was wide-spread and there were people around
with lots of experience designing underground bunkers of that size. SHADO's
projected power requirements may have been higher than other installations,
but most people accept that SHADO was nuclear-powered and military nuclear
power plants are pretty modular - so they certainly didn't need to reinvent
it. And just not reinventing things that don't need to be speeds up the
process.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Matt
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 2:01 PM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

From Straker's presentation to the UN Security Council, I got the impression
that all the details, designs, construction methods, for the organization
had been worked out in advance. I suspect that the plans for SHADO were in
the making long before 1970 (conjecture on my part) and that in itself would
have saved quite a bit of time. We know from the series that not all of
SHADO's systems were 100% in 1980 as the Utronic equipment was just being
installed.

I sensed a huge air of urgency in Straker's presentation, so it makes sense
that the project would have pulled all the stops in getting done as quick as
possible. That means throwing money at it, a lot of money. Like the best and
brightest minds were brought in to man SHADO, it is reasonable to assume
that the people who built it were the best at what they did.

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> And even with the exterior lead sheathed shell poured in place, there's
> absolutely no reason to assume that the interiors, and the buttresses we
see
> in the various corridors, weren't prefabricated and brought in - although
> you do have to wonder why their finish work was so bad. Hmm. *grin*.
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> i think that a few prefab modular units could have been sunk into place
> easily. the apt i live in was trucked in from san fransisco, over 400
miles
> south, and is 3 stories tall and has 12 units in it , including stairs and
> hallways.
> so that is not unreasonable as an approach to how shado was covertly
built.
> jim
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> From: Yuchtar <yuchtr@... <mailto:yuchtr%40earthlink.net> >
> Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
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<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> be
> called). Bolting girders together to form a framework, then trucking it in
> as an assembly, as opposed to bringing in a truckload of girders, then
> assembling them onsite, for example. Or pouring a concrete wall into a
form
> offsite, then bringing the finished wall to the site, as opposed to
pouring
> the wall onsite.
> > I've never heard of separate components/materials such as steel girders
or
> a cement mixer full of wet cement referred to as "pre-fab". My experience
is
> somewhat limited, so I suppose I could be mistaken, or just
misunderstanding
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--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
 although
> you do have to wonder why their finish work was so bad. Hmm. *grin*.  

Deb,
I know!  What look were they going for there?  Grunge?  Wasn't that in the '90's?  That's UFO -- way ahead of its time! LOL
Yours,
Denise

Straker being Straker, probably told them not to waste money on the finish work and spend it on something more useful. Just my thought. :)

"The Man" did have a practical side. *grin*

Matt

--- In [hidden email], "Neesierie" <neesierie@...> wrote:

---> (Ummm It's Science Fiction)

 Possibly the writers got it right when they used liquid for the aliens to breathe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing

That was being researched at the time. Anyone remember the Abyss?

 

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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 6:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 


---> (Ummm It's Science Fiction)

Possibly the writers got it right when they used liquid for the aliens to
breathe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing





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No telling what the military is working on that we don't know about. "Let me borrow your rat for a minute..." *grin*

--- In [hidden email], "Deborah Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
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> That was being researched at the time. Anyone remember the Abyss?
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