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> i believe that even with covert defense forces there has to be  
> safety check on ground water bleed over, clay and foundation slide,  
> property boundries and a whole bunch of other stuff, before they  
> can start digging. i think that proceedure takes 6-8 months.
> jim
>
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 9:22 AM
>
>
>
> > Like Chris Bentley obviously did, you are working from the  
> scripts instead of what you see on the screen.
>
> Not at all... I base my opinion based on what I see on screen.
>
> The script merely confirms it.
>
> I agree that some episodes deviate from the script, but I don't see  
> that in this particular case.
>
> I'm still waiting for some convincing evidence that it took 6-7  
> years to build the underground
> complex. You haven't produced anything that has convinced anyone,  
> as far as I can tell... :-)
>
> Marc
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

>
> thank you,
> and for that honerable mention, i am now going to release my 2'' wide UFO or ufo in small size plastic/paper model for peoples ornamental ufo needs.
> since they are smaller than the usualy models, i think i can get the shipping down to just 3-5 dollars.......and the model is free. this is not themuch admired gary pislworth's model, this is my own drawings and plastic shell in clear, clear green, and clear blue shells.
> a must for your rear view mirror or UFO equinox seasonal celebration tree, headquarters, or mini crashsite display.
> sincerely,
> jim
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, lightcudder <l.oatridge@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: lightcudder <l.oatridge@...>
> Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 10:03 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> An excellent observation Jim. You hit the nail on the head! Ford was a journalist prior to SHADO, unlike Straker, Freeman and Foster who all had military experience, therefore it is unlikely that he would be considered for command training.
>
> LtCdr.
> --- In [hidden email], "." <aquaboi@> wrote:
> >
> > teletype operator is not a command mos. you have to go to command school to be in charge of jobs instead of just doing them. like an eye surgeon might go his whole carrier without being in charge of a hospital.
> > jim
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/15/11, neesierie <neesierie@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: neesierie <neesierie@>
> > Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 8:17 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> > > And I think Straker's treatment of Ford as recent
> > > recruit to SHADO is still inconsistent with him
> > > being part of the first batch of recruits. With
> > > Ford's tenure, he should actually be in charge
> > > of something by 1980... :-)
> >
> > Marc,
> > I always had a problem with that too! As pivotal as his role at the comm is for HQ, I really expected him to be a colonel. And Straker treats him like a flunky, which really is odd. You don't put a low level person in charge of the comm! I don't think his role was well-thought out at all.
> > Yours,
> > Denise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> thank you,
> and for that honerable mention, i am now going to release my 2'' wide UFO or ufo in small size plastic/paper model for peoples ornamental ufo needs.
> since they are smaller than the usualy models, i think i can get the shipping down to just 3-5 dollars.......and the model is free. this is not themuch admired gary pislworth's model, this is my own drawings and plastic shell in clear, clear green, and clear blue shells.
> a must for your rear view mirror or UFO equinox seasonal celebration tree, headquarters, or mini crashsite display.
> sincerely,
> jim
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, lightcudder <l.oatridge@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: lightcudder <l.oatridge@...>
> Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 10:03 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> An excellent observation Jim. You hit the nail on the head! Ford was a journalist prior to SHADO, unlike Straker, Freeman and Foster who all had military experience, therefore it is unlikely that he would be considered for command training.
>
> LtCdr.
> --- In [hidden email], "." <aquaboi@> wrote:
> >
> > teletype operator is not a command mos. you have to go to command school to be in charge of jobs instead of just doing them. like an eye surgeon might go his whole carrier without being in charge of a hospital.
> > jim
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/15/11, neesierie <neesierie@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: neesierie <neesierie@>
> > Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 8:17 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> > > And I think Straker's treatment of Ford as recent
> > > recruit to SHADO is still inconsistent with him
> > > being part of the first batch of recruits. With
> > > Ford's tenure, he should actually be in charge
> > > of something by 1980... :-)
> >
> > Marc,
> > I always had a problem with that too! As pivotal as his role at the comm is for HQ, I really expected him to be a colonel. And Straker treats him like a flunky, which really is odd. You don't put a low level person in charge of the comm! I don't think his role was well-thought out at all.
> > Yours,
> > Denise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> back actually in 1980, i saw in japan, kobe, a 12 story skyscraper go up, in total security, with shrouds over it in 12 weeks...............it had to have 4 floors underground as a stablizer and earthquake damage prevention measure.
> they had that thing up and populated in just under one winter. im sure there are websites about that there.
> jim
>
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, An Delendir <andelendir@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: An Delendir <andelendir@...>
> Subject: RE: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 10:13 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> > Well, since I've actually seen bridges, sky-scrapers, and huge
> > multi-story parking garages go up in less that 12 months (have
> > you seen the foundation of a sky-scraper or a multi-story parking
> > garage with a multi-acre footprint? You could hide SHADO HQ in the
> > foundation/basement of most of them with parking spaces to boot.)
> > So the insistence that HQ took 5+ years is not supported by reality.
>
> You cite - exclusively - building types which are done with prefab units. I suggest you go and have a closer look at massive constructions without the benefit of any modular construction work.
>
> My family's background is large government building construction (hospitals, schools, military etc.), both as architects, as well as building companies. So, I really know what I talk about here. Prior to my first posting I made it a point calling one of the architects in my wider family. He confirmed my take on matters. 6 years he actually considers a tight schedule.
>
> We aren't talking USA here. We are talking Great Britain, and we are talking about the building being hid from the public eye as well, a building which was not prefab built. We are talking also about building 80 ft underground and that has to have been hidden away completely from the public!
>
> Planning stage: 12 months including the actual plans
> Excavation and foundation, extending under the studios, building the cover up: 18 months (minimally)
> Shell: 18 months
> Fitting and training of staff: 24 months
>
> ====> minimally 6 years
>
> > And putting the completion of HQ and the first batch
> > of recruits to 1977 or thereabouts implies (if not outright
> > states) that most of building of the sky-diver fleet, Moonbase
> > and its ancillary support on Earth , launching of SID, training
> > of all the necessary crews for those posts, all took place
> > between 1977 and 1980.
>
> Not really. All of that would have been built parallely. Three years to train the crews and get everything running looks good. To assume all and everything was done in the UK *is* stretching things again way too thin.
>
> > If it actually took 6-7 years to build HQ, how long did it
> > take to build Moonbase and the Sky-divers and their bases?
>
> It doesn't say. They were done in 1980, so most likely the full ten years.
>
> > what was Straker doing while HQ was being built for six or so years?
>
> Possibly working also on planning and executing the stuff you mention above? Or maybe reading 7,000 UFO reports? ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> An
>
> http://edstraker.net (The Ed Straker Herald)
> http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> back actually in 1980, i saw in japan, kobe, a 12 story skyscraper go up, in total security, with shrouds over it in 12 weeks...............it had to have 4 floors underground as a stablizer and earthquake damage prevention measure.
> they had that thing up and populated in just under one winter. im sure there are websites about that there.
> jim
>
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, An Delendir <andelendir@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: An Delendir <andelendir@...>
> Subject: RE: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 10:13 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> > Well, since I've actually seen bridges, sky-scrapers, and huge
> > multi-story parking garages go up in less that 12 months (have
> > you seen the foundation of a sky-scraper or a multi-story parking
> > garage with a multi-acre footprint? You could hide SHADO HQ in the
> > foundation/basement of most of them with parking spaces to boot.)
> > So the insistence that HQ took 5+ years is not supported by reality.
>
> You cite - exclusively - building types which are done with prefab units. I suggest you go and have a closer look at massive constructions without the benefit of any modular construction work.
>
> My family's background is large government building construction (hospitals, schools, military etc.), both as architects, as well as building companies. So, I really know what I talk about here. Prior to my first posting I made it a point calling one of the architects in my wider family. He confirmed my take on matters. 6 years he actually considers a tight schedule.
>
> We aren't talking USA here. We are talking Great Britain, and we are talking about the building being hid from the public eye as well, a building which was not prefab built. We are talking also about building 80 ft underground and that has to have been hidden away completely from the public!
>
> Planning stage: 12 months including the actual plans
> Excavation and foundation, extending under the studios, building the cover up: 18 months (minimally)
> Shell: 18 months
> Fitting and training of staff: 24 months
>
> ====> minimally 6 years
>
> > And putting the completion of HQ and the first batch
> > of recruits to 1977 or thereabouts implies (if not outright
> > states) that most of building of the sky-diver fleet, Moonbase
> > and its ancillary support on Earth , launching of SID, training
> > of all the necessary crews for those posts, all took place
> > between 1977 and 1980.
>
> Not really. All of that would have been built parallely. Three years to train the crews and get everything running looks good. To assume all and everything was done in the UK *is* stretching things again way too thin.
>
> > If it actually took 6-7 years to build HQ, how long did it
> > take to build Moonbase and the Sky-divers and their bases?
>
> It doesn't say. They were done in 1980, so most likely the full ten years.
>
> > what was Straker doing while HQ was being built for six or so years?
>
> Possibly working also on planning and executing the stuff you mention above? Or maybe reading 7,000 UFO reports? ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> An
>
> http://edstraker.net (The Ed Straker Herald)
> http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> i beleive that i found something that fits most of the requirements for a comparason.
> hoover dam
> it only took 4 years to build, with 1 year of touch up work.
> jim
>  
>
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, Lightcudder <l.oatridge@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lightcudder <l.oatridge@...>
> Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 12:30 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> Hi Jim.. yep.. we can do that here as well ( build quickly!!)!
>
> But.. Anyway, looking at CCAOK, Henderson, with Straker and Freeman talks about the Studio., and says `it should be worth a visit in a couple of months.' And Alec comments that `it is quite a construction job'.
>
> Then we see Harlington Straker complete and obviously operational â€" the Studios not SHADO, so several months must have passed by then. The studio sign is there, The stages signposted.
>
> The next thing is with Alec and Straker in the office looking at the construction of the `government block' that was built to hide `a couple of million cubic feet of earth'.
>
> It appears to me that the studios were built first, the underground was then excavated and then completed. It was certainly NOT finished when the studio was ready
>
> For comparison, the Channel Tunnel had a spoil heap of one million cubic metres of spoil and is 50 miles long. It took eleven drilling machines and 15,000 workers at one point and six years to complete. And it was not done in secret.
>
> 2 million cubic feet is roughly twentieth of that.
> So on that reckoning, SHADO might have had something like 2 miles of corridors etc, even more, considering that corridors are not as large as train tunnels. A HUGE construction task. Not something that could be completed in months and it wasnt. From Hendersons own comment.
>
> As for the Army Corps of Engineers which were mentioned in one post.. I doubt very much if they would have been involved in a construction job on English soil. (And we actually have pretty decent engineers ourselves!! :-) )
>
> (I will crack on with Gay as soon as I have finished exam stuff at work!! Promise!)
>
> LtCdr
> http://edstraker.net (The Ed Straker Herald)
> http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)
>
> --- In [hidden email], "." <aquaboi@> wrote:
> >
> > back actually in 1980, i saw in japan, kobe, a 12 story skyscraper go up, in total security, with shrouds over it in 12 weeks...............it had to have 4 floors underground as a stablizer and earthquake damage prevention measure.
> > they had that thing up and populated in just under one winter. im sure there are websites about that there.
> > jim
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/15/11, An Delendir <andelendir@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: An Delendir <andelendir@>
> > Subject: RE: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 10:13 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Well, since I've actually seen bridges, sky-scrapers, and huge
> > > multi-story parking garages go up in less that 12 months (have
> > > you seen the foundation of a sky-scraper or a multi-story parking
> > > garage with a multi-acre footprint? You could hide SHADO HQ in the
> > > foundation/basement of most of them with parking spaces to boot.)
> > > So the insistence that HQ took 5+ years is not supported by reality.
> >
> > You cite - exclusively - building types which are done with prefab units. I suggest you go and have a closer look at massive constructions without the benefit of any modular construction work.
> >
> > My family's background is large government building construction (hospitals, schools, military etc.), both as architects, as well as building companies. So, I really know what I talk about here. Prior to my first posting I made it a point calling one of the architects in my wider family. He confirmed my take on matters. 6 years he actually considers a tight schedule.
> >
> > We aren't talking USA here. We are talking Great Britain, and we are talking about the building being hid from the public eye as well, a building which was not prefab built. We are talking also about building 80 ft underground and that has to have been hidden away completely from the public!
> >
> > Planning stage: 12 months including the actual plans
> > Excavation and foundation, extending under the studios, building the cover up: 18 months (minimally)
> > Shell: 18 months
> > Fitting and training of staff: 24 months
> >
> > ====> minimally 6 years
> >
> > > And putting the completion of HQ and the first batch
> > > of recruits to 1977 or thereabouts implies (if not outright
> > > states) that most of building of the sky-diver fleet, Moonbase
> > > and its ancillary support on Earth , launching of SID, training
> > > of all the necessary crews for those posts, all took place
> > > between 1977 and 1980.
> >
> > Not really. All of that would have been built parallely. Three years to train the crews and get everything running looks good. To assume all and everything was done in the UK *is* stretching things again way too thin.
> >
> > > If it actually took 6-7 years to build HQ, how long did it
> > > take to build Moonbase and the Sky-divers and their bases?
> >
> > It doesn't say. They were done in 1980, so most likely the full ten years.
> >
> > > what was Straker doing while HQ was being built for six or so years?
> >
> > Possibly working also on planning and executing the stuff you mention above? Or maybe reading 7,000 UFO reports? ;-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > An
> >
> > http://edstraker.net (The Ed Straker Herald)
> > http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> teletype operator is not a command mos. you have to go to command school to be
>in charge of jobs instead of just doing them. like an eye surgeon might go his
>whole carrier without being in charge of a hospital.
> jim
>
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, neesierie <neesierie@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: neesierie <neesierie@...>
> Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 8:17 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> > And I think Straker's treatment of Ford as recent
> > recruit to SHADO is still inconsistent with him
> > being part of the first batch of recruits. With
> > Ford's tenure, he should actually be in charge
> > of something by 1980... :-)
>
> Marc,
> I always had a problem with that too! As pivotal as his role at the comm is for
>HQ, I really expected him to be a colonel. And Straker treats him like a flunky,
>which really is odd. You don't put a low level person in charge of the comm! I
>don't think his role was well-thought out at all.
> Yours,
> Denise
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> i beleive that i found something that fits most of the requirements for a comparason.
> hoover dam
> it only took 4 years to build, with 1 year of touch up work.
> jim
>  
>
> --- On Wed, 6/15/11, Lightcudder <l.oatridge@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lightcudder <l.oatridge@...>
> Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 12:30 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> Hi Jim.. yep.. we can do that here as well ( build quickly!!)!
>
> But.. Anyway, looking at CCAOK, Henderson, with Straker and Freeman talks about the Studio., and says `it should be worth a visit in a couple of months.' And Alec comments that `it is quite a construction job'.
>
> Then we see Harlington Straker complete and obviously operational â€" the Studios not SHADO, so several months must have passed by then. The studio sign is there, The stages signposted.
>
> The next thing is with Alec and Straker in the office looking at the construction of the `government block' that was built to hide `a couple of million cubic feet of earth'.
>
> It appears to me that the studios were built first, the underground was then excavated and then completed. It was certainly NOT finished when the studio was ready
>
> For comparison, the Channel Tunnel had a spoil heap of one million cubic metres of spoil and is 50 miles long. It took eleven drilling machines and 15,000 workers at one point and six years to complete. And it was not done in secret.
>
> 2 million cubic feet is roughly twentieth of that.
> So on that reckoning, SHADO might have had something like 2 miles of corridors etc, even more, considering that corridors are not as large as train tunnels. A HUGE construction task. Not something that could be completed in months and it wasnt. From Hendersons own comment.
>
> As for the Army Corps of Engineers which were mentioned in one post.. I doubt very much if they would have been involved in a construction job on English soil. (And we actually have pretty decent engineers ourselves!! :-) )
>
> (I will crack on with Gay as soon as I have finished exam stuff at work!! Promise!)
>
> LtCdr
> http://edstraker.net (The Ed Straker Herald)
> http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)
>
> --- In [hidden email], "." <aquaboi@> wrote:
> >
> > back actually in 1980, i saw in japan, kobe, a 12 story skyscraper go up, in total security, with shrouds over it in 12 weeks...............it had to have 4 floors underground as a stablizer and earthquake damage prevention measure.
> > they had that thing up and populated in just under one winter. im sure there are websites about that there.
> > jim
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/15/11, An Delendir <andelendir@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: An Delendir <andelendir@>
> > Subject: RE: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 10:13 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Well, since I've actually seen bridges, sky-scrapers, and huge
> > > multi-story parking garages go up in less that 12 months (have
> > > you seen the foundation of a sky-scraper or a multi-story parking
> > > garage with a multi-acre footprint? You could hide SHADO HQ in the
> > > foundation/basement of most of them with parking spaces to boot.)
> > > So the insistence that HQ took 5+ years is not supported by reality.
> >
> > You cite - exclusively - building types which are done with prefab units. I suggest you go and have a closer look at massive constructions without the benefit of any modular construction work.
> >
> > My family's background is large government building construction (hospitals, schools, military etc.), both as architects, as well as building companies. So, I really know what I talk about here. Prior to my first posting I made it a point calling one of the architects in my wider family. He confirmed my take on matters. 6 years he actually considers a tight schedule.
> >
> > We aren't talking USA here. We are talking Great Britain, and we are talking about the building being hid from the public eye as well, a building which was not prefab built. We are talking also about building 80 ft underground and that has to have been hidden away completely from the public!
> >
> > Planning stage: 12 months including the actual plans
> > Excavation and foundation, extending under the studios, building the cover up: 18 months (minimally)
> > Shell: 18 months
> > Fitting and training of staff: 24 months
> >
> > ====> minimally 6 years
> >
> > > And putting the completion of HQ and the first batch
> > > of recruits to 1977 or thereabouts implies (if not outright
> > > states) that most of building of the sky-diver fleet, Moonbase
> > > and its ancillary support on Earth , launching of SID, training
> > > of all the necessary crews for those posts, all took place
> > > between 1977 and 1980.
> >
> > Not really. All of that would have been built parallely. Three years to train the crews and get everything running looks good. To assume all and everything was done in the UK *is* stretching things again way too thin.
> >
> > > If it actually took 6-7 years to build HQ, how long did it
> > > take to build Moonbase and the Sky-divers and their bases?
> >
> > It doesn't say. They were done in 1980, so most likely the full ten years.
> >
> > > what was Straker doing while HQ was being built for six or so years?
> >
> > Possibly working also on planning and executing the stuff you mention above? Or maybe reading 7,000 UFO reports? ;-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > An
> >
> > http://edstraker.net (The Ed Straker Herald)
> > http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Oh, I can think of a least a couple of reasons the other UFO killed him -
>
> 1 He was a defector.
>
> 2 His mission was to plant disinformation (that there were friendly aliens)
> and part of the plot was to kill one of their own to make it convincing
>
> 3 His mission was to plant something else (something that had not been
> revealed to SHADO - a disease organism, bomb, fill in the blank)
>
> 4 His mission was to disrupt SHADO communications so that something else
> could get through or happen.
>
> 3a, 4a  SHADO operatives were getting close and his mission had failed.
>
> 3b, 4b SHADO operatives were getting close and his mission had succeeded and
> SHADO doesn't know it.
>
>  
>
>   _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of An
> Delendir
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:20 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [SHADO] UFO Bloopers
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> > is there a script for when the alien broadcasts the old lady to shado
> > and then after his show, walks out to get vaporized by a ufo?
>
> Why he did what? Walk out and gets vaporized?
>
> The UFO is killing him because he is a defector. As to why he walks out,
> maybe to keep her from getting hurt.
>
> Cheers
>
> An
>
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> http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)
>
>
>
>
>
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>

>
> > Hi Bruce, the interview was in 1969, so Ford couldn't have been working for
> > SHADO then. He was  interviewing people on TV.. therefore he was a journalist
> > reporting about a news story for one of the mass media. Maybe these interviews
> > were conducted to help start SHADO, but Ford couldn't have known about SHADO
> > as it hadn't even been approved.
>
> Probably the most interesting thing about the original script to CCAOK is that it
> attempted to tell you where Nina Barry and Lt. Ford came from.  Rumor has it
> that this scene was filmed and cut due to the episode running too long, although
> I somehow doubt it as I have never seen any publicity photos from this scene.  
> Note that the dialog states that this took place about a year after the car
> crash...and is before Mary announced her pregnancy... :-)
>
> 35  INT. TV STUDIO. NIGHT. (STUDIO)  77 SECS
>
>       START CLOSE ON NINA BARRY. SHE IS TAKING PART IN A TV PROGRAMME WITH
>       WILLIAM LLOYD. FORD IS THE INTERVIEWER.
>
>                          LLOYD
>                These are the photographs I took.
>
>       HE HANDS SOME SHOTS TO FORD.
>
>                          FORD
>                I see, and you say the flying saucer hovered for about 30 minutes
>                over your garden.
>
>                          LLOYD
>                Yes, about that.
>
>                          FORD
>                And yet no-one else in your neighbourhood saw it.
>
>                          LLOYD
>           I can't speak for anyone else.  Just the two of us.
>
>           ANOTHER ANGLE
>
>           TO SHOW FREEMAN AND STRAKER WATCHING THE INTERVIEW.
>
>                          FORD
>                Ah yes ... Your... acquaintance Mr. Carter. He isn't able to be
>                with us tonight I understand.
>
>                          LLOYD
>                No. He's, er, indisposed.
>
>                          FORD
>                Yes, I'm sure.
>
>           ON NINA BARRY
>
>                          FORD
>                Miss Barry, if I could turn to you for a moment. You are taking a
>                post graduate course in electronics at London University?
>
>                          NINA
>                That's right.
>
>           WIDER ANGLE
>
>                          FORD
>                And together with some of your colleagues you have examined Mr.
>                Lloyds alleged photographs of a UFO.
>
>                          NINA
>                Yes, we have. I'm sorry to say this, but in our opinion they're
>                almost certainly all fake.
>
>           LLOYD SHAKES HIS HEAD - NO.
>
>                          FORD
>                Mr. Lloyd obviously doesn't agree, but how would you go about
>                faking this sort of evidence?
>
>                          NINA
>                Well, there are several ways. One would be to use an
>                electronically controlled model.
>
>                          FORD
>                A model of a UFO?
>
>                          NINA
>                Yes, controlled from the ground in the same way as you would a
>                model aircraft.
>
>           ON FORD
>
>           HE TURNS TO LLOYD
>
>                          FORD
>                And isn't it true, Mr. Lloyd, that your friend Mr. Carter runs a
>                TV repair business?
>
>                          LLOYD
>                All I can say is, they're not faked.
>
>                          FORD
>                Yes, well, we '11 just wish Mr. Carter a speedy recovery and let
>                the viewers judge for themselves. Thank you, Miss Barry, Mr.
>                Lloyd.
>
>           ON FREEMAN AND STRAKER
>
>                          FORD (VO)
>                Well, that seems to be it for tonight. We'll be with you at the
>                same time tomorrow.
>
>                          STRAKER
>                Check the girl, Alec. I'll have a word with the interviewer.
>
>           ON STRAKER
>
>           HE MOVES FORWARD AND GOES UP TO FORD AS HE LEAVES THE SET.
>
>                          STRAKER
>                Mr. Ford.
>
>                          FORD
>                Yes.
>
>                          STRAKER
>                My name's Straker.
>
>                          FORD
>                Straker... Ah, yes, I remember. You were involved in what was
>                rumoured to be a UFO incident about a year ago.
>
>                          STRAKER
>                Are you interested in the subject?
>
>                          FORD
>                Very. If I'd realised you were here, Mr. Straker, I would have
>                asked you to join my programme.
>
>                          STRAKER
>                Maybe I'm here to ask you to join my programme, Mr. Ford.
>
> --
> Marc
>

> crash...and is before Mary announced her pregnancy... :-)
>
> 35 INT. TV STUDIO. NIGHT. (STUDIO) 77 SECS
>
> START CLOSE ON NINA BARRY. SHE IS TAKING PART IN A TV PROGRAMME WITH
> WILLIAM LLOYD. FORD IS THE INTERVIEWER.
>
> LLOYD
> These are the photographs I took.
>
> HE HANDS SOME SHOTS TO FORD.
>
> FORD
> I see, and you say the flying saucer hovered for about 30 minutes
> over your garden.
>
> LLOYD
> Yes, about that.
>
> FORD
> And yet no-one else in your neighbourhood saw it.
>
> LLOYD
> I can't speak for anyone else. Just the two of us.
>
> ANOTHER ANGLE
>
> TO SHOW FREEMAN AND STRAKER WATCHING THE INTERVIEW.
>
> FORD
> Ah yes ... Your... acquaintance Mr. Carter. He isn't able to be
> with us tonight I understand.
>
> LLOYD
> No. He's, er, indisposed.
>
> FORD
> Yes, I'm sure.
>
> ON NINA BARRY
>
> FORD
> Miss Barry, if I could turn to you for a moment. You are taking a
> post graduate course in electronics at London University?
>
> NINA
> That's right.
>
> WIDER ANGLE
>
> FORD
> And together with some of your colleagues you have examined Mr.
> Lloyds alleged photographs of a UFO.
>
> NINA
> Yes, we have. I'm sorry to say this, but in our opinion they're
> almost certainly all fake.
>
> LLOYD SHAKES HIS HEAD - NO.
>
> FORD
> Mr. Lloyd obviously doesn't agree, but how would you go about
> faking this sort of evidence?
>
> NINA
> Well, there are several ways. One would be to use an
> electronically controlled model.
>
> FORD
> A model of a UFO?
>
> NINA
> Yes, controlled from the ground in the same way as you would a
> model aircraft.
>
> ON FORD
>
> HE TURNS TO LLOYD
>
> FORD
> And isn't it true, Mr. Lloyd, that your friend Mr. Carter runs a
> TV repair business?
>
> LLOYD
> All I can say is, they're not faked.
>
> FORD
> Yes, well, we '11 just wish Mr. Carter a speedy recovery and let
> the viewers judge for themselves. Thank you, Miss Barry, Mr.
> Lloyd.
>
> ON FREEMAN AND STRAKER
>
> FORD (VO)
> Well, that seems to be it for tonight. We'll be with you at the
> same time tomorrow.
>
> STRAKER
> Check the girl, Alec. I'll have a word with the interviewer.
>
> ON STRAKER
>
> HE MOVES FORWARD AND GOES UP TO FORD AS HE LEAVES THE SET.
>
> STRAKER
> Mr. Ford.
>
> FORD
> Yes.
>
> STRAKER
> My name's Straker.
>
> FORD
> Straker... Ah, yes, I remember. You were involved in what was
> rumoured to be a UFO incident about a year ago.
>
> STRAKER
> Are you interested in the subject?
>
> FORD
> Very. If I'd realised you were here, Mr. Straker, I would have
> asked you to join my programme.
>
> STRAKER
> Maybe I'm here to ask you to join my programme, Mr. Ford.
>
> --
> Marc
>

> For some reason, I can see the scene in my mind's eye like I've seen it at
> some time. Nina wearing a little red dress and looking like a college
> student and Ford in a sports jacket and tie.
>   _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Neesierie
>
> Marc,
> I really like that scene! It introduces them both very well, doesn't it? Too
> bad it didn't make it into the episode. *sigh*
> Yours,
> Denise

> Hi Jim,
>
>
>>back actually in 1980, i saw in japan, kobe, a 12 story skyscraper go
>>up, in total security, with shrouds over it in 12 weeks...............it
>>had to have 4 floors underground as a stablizer and earthquake damage
>>prevention measure.
>
>
> LOL!
>
> If you saw it go up, it wasn't in security, not like SHADO HQ, which had to have been entirely hidden from public eyes.
>
> But a skyscraper (and similar buildings) is a totally diffeent kettle of fish from the sort of building SHADO HQ is. Skyscrapers are practically entirely modular, there are very few different basic floor plans and all of them tend to be geared to use modular units. Most of what they consist of are steel skeletons, with prefabricated wall and floor units hung from those. These modular units will be built off-site, and used like wooden blocks by a playing toddler. Very fast, very easy construction.
>
> Massive buildings, with practically made-to-demand and measure floor plans and room sizes etc., built massively and with 10 or more feet thick walls, encapsulated in lead etc., that's definitely not something you build in weeks. Nor do the necessary excavation in any fast time.
>
> Cheers
>
> An
>
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> http://ufopedia.edstraker.com (UFOpedia)

> Hi Yuchtar,
>  
> > Okay, seriously, this is becoming ridiculous.  First, off, it was NOT
> > hidden from public view. They were building A FILM STUDIO as cover -
> > only what was going on underground was supposed to be secret and the
> > construction above ground hid that.
>  
> They were even building an apartment and office block adjacent to the studios as a cover, not just the studios!
>  
> As Straker himself says and as anyone with some basic knowledge about construction sites, building and excavations can tell you,  you cannot keep removing several million cubic feet on a sheer endless fleet of trucks coming out of a very small excavation site without being noticed. Without any logical explanation for this enormous amount of soil you have the typical rabbit in the hat effect, with people wondering what the hell is taking place there.
>  
> And yes, the underground HQ was supposed to be hidden. Thus - no one should notice it is being excavated (see above). And - the excavation must take place with the topside unchanged to the public eye. The static calculations for this alone are a nightmare. The relevant installation of equipment as well. None of that can be done in a matter of months, especially not when entirely hidden from the public.
>  
> > Second, who says they didn't use any pre-fab materials?? You?
>  
> It is prefab modules or units, not materials.
>  
> I suggest you inform yourself here:
>  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefab#Current_uses
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefab#Disadvantages
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefabricated_building
>  
> And any architect worth his salt could also tell you why there are no prefab units for an underground building constructed to measure and spec and in secrecy.
>  
> Which mass-producing factory would you have build 10+ feet thick, leadlined concrete walls? How would you transport these, especially in secrecy? How get them down a covered construction site? They would definitely not have fitted through the studio gate and quite likely strained any lifting gear available for the site.
>  
> > Who are you? Why don't you just admit you're
> > not the be all, end all of UFO canon and give it a rest, chica?
>  
> At this point I take exception to your mail and consider both your tone, the content and the address as being quite offensive.  
>
> "Chica" is a demeaning term to refer to a (Latino) girl as per enough dictionaries. Trying to curb my participation in this discussion, rsp. telling me what I may or may not talk about, is offensive, outside your competence and rather blatantly the contrary of what a discussion list is supposed to be.
>  
> There is a general Netiquette for discussion lists of any sort, which says pretty much this:
>  
> "No ad hominem attacks. An ad hominem attack is marked by an attack
> on an opponent's character/person rather than by an answer to the
> contentions made in the debate."
>  
> So far I tend to believe that a discussion about canon is on topic for the SHADO-list. So far *I* have not once attacked anyone on a personal level and been perfectly polite as well. I certainly nowhere attacked anyone's character or person. I used no derogatory terms to address anyone, and I certainly also told no one to shut up already, as you did while addressing me.
>  
> As to me and canon - I am anal about canon. I readily confess to that. People will have to live with it. I'm not going to change in that respect.
>  
> There are modelmakers on this list, not too few, and artists, both of whom replicate UFO machinery, from Interceptors to SHADO Jeeps. The attention to the most minute detail these artists give their creations, getting it "just so" right, so that they are as close as they can be to what the original models on the UFO set were, is nothing else but canon as well. Anyone who is intent on recreating or understanding something in such detail and to such an extent should by all means grasp why canon can be important, and how people can become anal enough about it, to discuss and argue at times over something someone else may think non-essential.
>  
> I do not think that any one participating in this discussion, myself included, twisted anyone else's arm to contribute, or even read. I have no problem accepting it intrigues only those also in some way interested in canon.
>  
> That said, it is for those just as anal and fascinated about verifiable, logical detail that Lightcudder and I have sat down for hours daily and started off that wiki. We're not getting paid for this, we don't even expect getting a thumbs up, and even though quite a few have started reading and consuming it, few opted to help so far. You did not do so either, I might note.  
>  
> If I am outspoken about canon facts, then this is because I am prepared to discuss their veracity. With those wanting to or willing to discuss.
>  
> > Y, a little fed up with this argument when there is nothing to argue
> > over ....
>  
> If you are fed up with this argument, you can do the correct thing and hit the delete button or simply not read this thread and refrain from participating in it. Nothing stops you from being civilized in that respect.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> An
>  
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