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This whole idea of factionalism doesn't make sense for the aliens at all.
Only a planet and people united in exploiting another would be successful in
any such gambit. Mind you, the series doesn't necessarily portray them as
all that successful. But, in order for the real threat and fear of the
aliens to be real and substantive enough for SHADO to even exist, means
there has to be some sort of organization to what the aliens are doing.

When I write my own fanfic, I try to make the aliens seem as organized and
malevolent as possible, which heightens the fear of them and what they do,
and makes the threat of what they do far more immediate. I don't portray
them as buffoons who only throw 3-4 ships into the fray, I depict them as
vicious cold hearted killers, doing what they do to survive, considering
humans as nothing more than cattle to be utilized in any way they see fit.

If the aliens are a force to be reckoned with, I don't see factionalism
helping that. Factionalism would lead to a scattering of resources and
energies (on which the aliens are short) and a lack of cohesiveness in their
long terms aims and goals on planet earth. Making the aliens out to be
idiots who can't get their collective manure together lessens their
malevolence and turns them into cardbord enemies without any teeth.

Pam

Huh? I guess you missed the empire period in Earth history.

Anthony
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Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: UFO Episode Discussion -- DESTRUCTION

"Anthony D" wrote:
> Huh? I guess you missed the empire period in Earth history.
>

None of us have missed it, it's still alive and well.

But would you mind trimming your posts a bit, to include only as
much quoted text as is necessary for context?

Ta :)

This has probably already been mentioned, but I
thought I would toot my own horn....I was watching
KILL STRAKER! tonight and I noticed that the medium
shot of the shuttle re-entering Earth's atmosphere at
the 3.1 angle had the evil alien device from CONFLICT
attatched to the bottom of it! Not once---but TWICE!
Just thought I would point that out...

JF

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Just where the heck did they tuck the freezer at in their tiny ships? Even if they were only able to use one-tenth of the worlds populations' organs, that still a pretty big freezer.
Something that I don't think anyone has ever covered, since organs only last a few hours (days?) before they become useless for transplant, just how do they get them home fast enough to keep them "Good"? What about the Aliens own system rejecting the organs? Would you be able to function if you were so doped up on pain killers and Auto Immune pills, that you didn't know wether you were coming or going?
Or are we getting Annal again?

J Ramage <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Anyone have any comments they'd like to make about
DESTRUCTION? A possible theory on while the Aliens would want to
wipe out their source of human bodies?

I always assumed that, since it was nerve gas or nerve toxin or something
being dumped, that it would kill off humanity while still leaving enough of
their organs etc viable for transplant, so the aliens would just need a big
enough freezer to take 'em all home in.

Jess




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Robert Thomas wrote:
As Arthur C Clarke once said, "any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic". All of the issues you raise are
strictly 20th Century human problems.

>What about the Aliens own system rejecting the organs? Would you be >able to function if you were so doped up on pain killers and Auto >Immune pills, that you didn't know wether you were coming or going?

Maybe that's why the Aliens were always such bad shots... :-)

Actually, the UFO "writers guide" said that the Aliens were 500-1000
years ahead of us in technology, and they had long ago perfected organ
transplant surgery.

Marc

'Just where the heck did they tuck the freezer at in their tiny ships?'

Well, in my own fanfic, I don't portray the alien ships as being tiny. They
are actually larger than tiny and in my UFO-MFU crossover, I detail the
interior of a UFO and how they package the harvested organs for transport. I
also depicted the alien ships as being large and weighing over 20 tons in my
fanfic story Sea Poste. I submit, they were larger and had more space in
their interiors than has been depicted on the series. Are there any eps
which clearly show the scale size between a UFO ship and a humanoid beside
it? I don't recall any, but I could be wrong.....

As for alien probs with their immune systems and their bodies rejecting
human organs, I submit that the reason the aliens decided to continue
exploiting humans on planet earth is because our bodies proved to have the
organs which required the least amount of drugs and worked well and easily
with the alien bodies. I don't think earth was the first planet the aliens
"preyed on", I just figured, for the sake of explanation in my fanfic, that
we here on Terra Firma, provided the best match for the aliens. I'm just
figuring that the aliens didn't luck out on their first try - they have had
to test out some other planets - perhaps some even closer to their own home
system - but came up dry. Unfortunately both for the aliens and for Earth,
human organs provided the most agreeable source.

Pam

Hi All,

The UFO in the episode E.S.P. is a good reference for the approximate size
of a typical UFO - you can quite easily compare it to the size of the house,
windows are a good reference. I believe someone worked a rough estimate in
earlier emails to this group.

You have to remember at the time UFO was made, Dr Barnard had only just
transplanted the first human heart (very contentious at the time), so the
idea of more general human organ transplants was pure fiction - there are
many ideas in UFO and other Anderson production that are now commonplace.
The knowledge about organ rejection was very elementary, at the time Dr
Barnard performed the operation, but I think it is quite/very plausible that
the aliens will have mastered the technique.

Another example, I always liked Straker's cordless phones in his office, not
they're commonplace - I have 3 on my desk, although they're not
multi-colored :)

Another indication of medical advance is in Confetti Check A-OK, when
Straker is adamant, no 'insists' that he will have a son, Freeman starts to
say; "how do you know.." he will have a son... again, at the time, there was
no positive test for sexing a baby prior to birth...

Best to all,

Griff

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To: [hidden email]
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'Just where the heck did they tuck the freezer at in their tiny ships?'

Well, in my own fanfic, I don't portray the alien ships as being tiny. They
are actually larger than tiny and in my UFO-MFU crossover, I detail the
interior of a UFO and how they package the harvested organs for transport. I
also depicted the alien ships as being large and weighing over 20 tons in my
fanfic story Sea Poste. I submit, they were larger and had more space in
their interiors than has been depicted on the series. Are there any eps
which clearly show the scale size between a UFO ship and a humanoid beside
it? I don't recall any, but I could be wrong.....

As for alien probs with their immune systems and their bodies rejecting
human organs, I submit that the reason the aliens decided to continue
exploiting humans on planet earth is because our bodies proved to have the
organs which required the least amount of drugs and worked well and easily
with the alien bodies. I don't think earth was the first planet the aliens
"preyed on", I just figured, for the sake of explanation in my fanfic, that
we here on Terra Firma, provided the best match for the aliens. I'm just
figuring that the aliens didn't luck out on their first try - they have had
to test out some other planets - perhaps some even closer to their own home
system - but came up dry. Unfortunately both for the aliens and for Earth,
human organs provided the most agreeable source.

Pam





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--- "Griff" <griff@g...> wrote (Re: UFO Episode Discussion --
DESTRUCTION) :-
> The UFO in the episode E.S.P. is a good reference for the
> approximate size of a typical UFO - you can quite easily compare it
> to the size of the house, windows are a good reference. ...

And, in one episode, Foster gets into an alien base and finds on its
floor a circular mark where UFO's landed.

Is there any point any of us writing to Gerry Anderson asking him how
big he intended his UFO series UFO's to be?

I suppose possibily there might be some sort of space non-linearity
insde the UFO so its inside is bigger than its outside, like with the
Dr.Who Tardis.

>And, in one episode, Foster gets into an alien base and finds on its
floor a circular mark where UFO's landed.

Actually I couldn't make out what he said in either the German or English
version of this until I got the DVD with subtitles. Foster says 'It's been
a UFO' which confused me a little. Did he mean that the base had been made
out of a UFO?

Jess

I always thought Foster said: "There's been a UFO", backed up by the
circular marking on the floor where the UFO had presumably landed...

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>And, in one episode, Foster gets into an alien base and finds on its
floor a circular mark where UFO's landed.

Actually I couldn't make out what he said in either the German or English
version of this until I got the DVD with subtitles. Foster says 'It's been
a UFO' which confused me a little. Did he mean that the base had been made
out of a UFO?

Jess




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If they had a portible hole, so to speak, then why not bring in more then one or two crew men/troops at a time. Seems a silly way to run a war, if you had that kind of technical advantage.

anthonyappleyard <[hidden email]> wrote:--- "Griff" wrote (Re: UFO Episode Discussion --
DESTRUCTION) :-
> The UFO in the episode E.S.P. is a good reference for the
> approximate size of a typical UFO - you can quite easily compare it
> to the size of the house, windows are a good reference. ...

And, in one episode, Foster gets into an alien base and finds on its
floor a circular mark where UFO's landed.

Is there any point any of us writing to Gerry Anderson asking him how
big he intended his UFO series UFO's to be?

I suppose possibily there might be some sort of space non-linearity
insde the UFO so its inside is bigger than its outside, like with the
Dr.Who Tardis.






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I had Forgotten about The UFO Affair until after I sent my post on the size of the UFOes.
I think that making a "standard size" UFO was not high up on Meddlings list of priorities. You can look at some of the diffrent shows and compare them to other objects, like the house in ESp or Regans car in Flightpath, yet the scale, at least to me, seems way off.
Perhaps there really are two or three types of UFOes in the series as some have sugested.
As for the rest about rejection, sounds good to me.

A thousand years ahead of us in technology and they had perfected cloning or artificial organs, or large sized FTL ships. Hmm? Maybe they aren't as advanced as they think they are?

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:>What about the Aliens own system rejecting the organs? Would you be >able to function if you were so doped up on pain killers and Auto >Immune pills, that you didn't know wether you were coming or going?

Maybe that's why the Aliens were always such bad shots... :-)

Actually, the UFO "writers guide" said that the Aliens were 500-1000
years ahead of us in technology, and they had long ago perfected organ
transplant surgery.

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Even "Magic" must have a technological base to it. And most of the advances that would have to be postulated for them to be able to surive the trip to our planet would suggest that there are easier, not to metion less expensive, ways to solve the problems.
(Yes I know I am reading the E-mails in reverse order, rather then the way them actually came in, but I am too lazy currently to go to the front of the que, which is actually the back of it.)

James Gibbon <[hidden email]> wrote:
As Arthur C Clarke once said, "any sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic". All of the issues you raise are
strictly 20th Century human problems.

Robert Thomas wrote:
> Even "Magic" must have a technological base to it.

Yes, and that's my whole point. Just as a 17th Century locksmith
wouldn't understand a smart-card key, so we can't necessarily
comprehend the way the Aliens have overcome the difficulties you
mentioned in your post.

"I had Forgotten about The UFO Affair until after I sent my post on the size
of the UFOes. I think that making a "standard size" UFO was not high up on
Meddlings list of priorities."

Usually I portray the actual alien vehicles as at least house size, maybe
bigger, weighing over 20 tons (after allm they'd have some sort of power
source built in, propulsion units, life support, living quarters or stasis
quarters for the FTL trip across the galaxy, waste disposal, and of course
storage facilities for their purloined human organs and/or bodies. I also
wrote about a somewhat smaller UFO in The Red Dust of Mars - one that was
more like a fighter vehicle, which took on the SHADO Mars transport and
caused alot of damage to the Aries Five in a firefight.

Pam

We worked this one out once, and it came back as several different sizes.
Grant.


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If they had a portible hole, so to speak, then why not bring in more then
one or two crew men/troops at a time. Seems a silly way to run a war, if you
had that kind of technical advantage.

anthonyappleyard <[hidden email]> wrote:--- "Griff" wrote (Re:
UFO Episode Discussion --
DESTRUCTION) :-
> The UFO in the episode E.S.P. is a good reference for the
> approximate size of a typical UFO - you can quite easily compare it
> to the size of the house, windows are a good reference. ...

And, in one episode, Foster gets into an alien base and finds on its
floor a circular mark where UFO's landed.

Is there any point any of us writing to Gerry Anderson asking him how
big he intended his UFO series UFO's to be?

I suppose possibily there might be some sort of space non-linearity
insde the UFO so its inside is bigger than its outside, like with the
Dr.Who Tardis.






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Robert Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
A thousand years ahead of us in technology and they had perfected cloning or artificial organs, or large sized FTL ships. Hmm? Maybe they aren't as advanced as they think they are?


Actually that should read HAVEN'T, insteed of had. I was getting a little ahead of myself. Sorry for the error.

I have heard somewhere that we are just now discovering things that "The Old Ones" knew hundreds of years ago. I can believe it when they talk about getting cancer meds from tree bark or from other plants.

Sometimes it pays to listen to folklore, and some times it doesn't. Will we hundreds of years from now, sit down with some race and go over their archives of visits to Earth, like Archer does with T'Pol?

Makes you think...

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