Plot holes

It might be fun to list the plot holes +
incobsistencies.......

I always thought the worst plot hole was being able to follow a UFO at many
times the speed of light back to it's on planet-and worse still to do so with
a camera that was'nt working properly!
Still going to remain my favourite sci-fi programme for all time though.
Mark.






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Such as a top secret organisation having its name plastered all over some of its vehicles? For example, the Mobiles come to mind. Also, if SHADO is meant to be top secret, what does a member have as official I.D.? For instance, in Square Triangle, Paul Foster shows an official-looking ID Card to the man whose house the alien's been killed in. What is on the card - SHADO or something else?

Kevin Lazenby <[hidden email]> wrote: It might be fun to list the plot holes +
incobsistencies.......






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I agree that putting the SHADO logo on all their hardware seems silly. In my fan fic I depicted them as unmarked, except for the times they were masquerading (sp?) as Environment Canada or the National geographic to get into sites to take on the aliens in which they might be seen by 'the locals'.

Pam the Canuck

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The one that always got me as a kid was, you have three lunar
interceptors, each with one missile.

...So send four+ UFOs.

I thought they said it was intelligent life?



--- In [hidden email], "Kevin Lazenby" <KevinLazenby8@...> wrote:
>
> It might be fun to list the plot holes +
> incobsistencies.......
>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:16:33 +0100
"Kevin Lazenby" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It might be fun to list the plot holes +
> incobsistencies.......
>

One or two spring to mind immediately - in The Dalotek Affair, Straker,
supposedly a senior film executive, is happy to make a video phone call
to a civilian organisation based on the Moon in his role as a senior
military figure responsible for Moonbase.

The whole idea of Destruction is at odds with the premise of the
series. In this one, the Aliens just want to destroy all life on Earth,
which would presumably render it useless as a venue for takeaway
replacement body parts. Of course you can explain that away after the
event as the action of a rogue Alien faction, or as something else -
but I don't think the writer had that in mind.

James

--- In [hidden email], "Rob Neal" <tryptych@...> wrote:
>
> The one that always got me as a kid was, you have three lunar
> interceptors, each with one missile.
>
> ...So send four+ UFOs.
>
> I thought they said it was intelligent life?
>

I know you're not supposed to think too much when you watch TV or
movies because it'll spoil the fantasy like why do beings on the
other side of the galaxy speak fluent English on ST Voyager? But I
too could never stop thinking why the single UFO not destroyed by the
interceptors didn't just go blast the now defenseless interceptors
out of the sky. Instead it just continued on to Earth to get drilled
by Sky 1.

But then I think the episode was called "Reflections in the Water"
when the aliens sent fifty…50! Spaceships in two waves and still they
go their butts handed to them. As far as I can tell Sky 1 took care
of all 25 in the first wave and the interceptors and the Moonbase
ground rocket launchers took out the other 25. And in that I could
have sworn that I saw 4 interceptors launch missiles. Please correct
me if I'm wrong.

At any rate these guys have to be the laughing stock of the
interstellar community surpassed in incompetence perhaps only by the
invading aliens in Independence Day who got taken out by a bunch of
standard jet planes!..LOL

Have a good day all!

Jim

--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <jg@...> wrote:

> One or two spring to mind immediately - in The Dalotek Affair,
Straker,
> supposedly a senior film executive, is happy to make a video phone
call
> to a civilian organisation based on the Moon in his role as a senior
> military figure responsible for Moonbase.


My feeling on that had SHADO vetting all space exploration (leading
to the occasional flare-up between Straker and Henderson). If a
company like Dalotek could demonstrate a legitimate reason to be on
the Moon, then SHADO would be obliged to let the necessary parties in
on the secret. Afterwards the amnesia drug could be used on a case
by case basis.

Higher-ups in world governments presumably knew of SHADO and its job,
so they could also partake (albeit on a limited basis) of the
decision making process in who went up and was allowed to work in
space. The governments, along with SHADO, could apply "official"
pressure to keep SHADO under wraps. CEOs of major corporations with
an impact upon space could be quietly informed in regards to SHADO.  
Upon retirement they'd be given the amnesia drug (plus free refills
on popcorn at all Harlington-Straker film screenings).

I'm not pretending this is a perfect solution, and other aspects of
this discussion have pestered me as well (the business about SHADAIR,
for instance. "Oh look, Mummy . . . another secret organization
airplane in the sky!"), but am enjoying this thread quite a bit and
would like to see further discussion.

Michael

phydeaux44 wrote:

> My feeling on that had SHADO vetting all space exploration (leading
> to the occasional flare-up between Straker and Henderson). If a
> company like Dalotek could demonstrate a legitimate reason to be on

Sorry for the interjection and off-topic, but you just reminded me of
Dr. Who. Last week in the new series, we saw the Daleks (c/w toilet
plunger arms) threatening humanity yet again.

I don't think the newest Dr. Who is broadcast in the US, so I don't want
to say too much.

Anyway, if Dr. Who can get away with toilet plungers as a "special
effect" for decades who's to complain about wooden acting and silly
markings on planes and personal IDs in UFO?

Clueless as usual,

Paul

PS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek

--- In [hidden email], Paul Bowers <pbowers@...> wrote:

> Sorry for the interjection and off-topic, but you just reminded me of
> Dr. Who. Last week in the new series, we saw the Daleks (c/w toilet
> plunger arms) threatening humanity yet again.
>
> I don't think the newest Dr. Who is broadcast in the US, so I don't
want
> to say too much.
>
> Anyway, if Dr. Who can get away with toilet plungers as a "special
> effect" for decades who's to complain about wooden acting and silly
> markings on planes and personal IDs in UFO?
>
> Clueless as usual,
>
> Paul



If I had a toilet plunger that possessed the same power as a Dalek arm
then life (and bathroom maintenance) would be a heck of a lot easier.  

(The newest Doctor is broadcast in the US, by the by, and has a rather
passionate following.)


Michael

phydeaux44 wrote:

> If I had a toilet plunger that possessed the same power as a Dalek arm
> then life (and bathroom maintenance) would be a heck of a lot easier.
>
> (The newest Doctor is broadcast in the US, by the by, and has a rather
> passionate following.)


Is it on cable? I seem to remember American slashdotters complaining
that they couldn't see it.

I've OTed the subject line due to the content.

Paul

--- In [hidden email], Paul Bowers <pbowers@...> wrote:

> Is it on cable? I seem to remember American slashdotters complaining
> that they couldn't see it.
>
> I've OTed the subject line due to the content.
>
> Paul


Over here Doctor Who can be seen on both the Sci-Fi Channel and
BBCAmerica. It sort of takes me back to the good ol' days when there
was a lot more British programming on the Sci-Fi Channel (not only
Anderson titles but seldom-seen-things here such as "Moonbase 3").


Michael

The new Doctor Who series is also shown on my local PBS station here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (albeit about 2 years late). The episode 'Boom Town' is on in about 30 minutes (11PM CDT), and repeated on my PBS HD channel three hours later.

Jeff

phydeaux44 <[hidden email]> wrote:
--- In [hidden email], Paul Bowers <pbowers@...> wrote:

> Is it on cable? I seem to remember American slashdotters complaining
> that they couldn't see it.
>
> I've OTed the subject line due to the content.
>
> Paul

Over here Doctor Who can be seen on both the Sci-Fi Channel and
BBCAmerica. It sort of takes me back to the good ol' days when there
was a lot more British programming on the Sci-Fi Channel (not only
Anderson titles but seldom-seen-things here such as "Moonbase 3").

Michael






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> But then I think the episode was called "Reflections in the Water"
> when the aliens sent fifty…50! Spaceships in two waves and still they
> go their butts handed to them. As far as I can tell Sky 1 took care
> of all 25 in the first wave and the interceptors and the Moonbase
> ground rocket launchers took out the other 25. And in that I could
> have sworn that I saw 4 interceptors launch missiles. Please correct
> me if I'm wrong.

That sounds about right... I counted 4 Interceptor missiles as well.

Also, there was a lack of a clear target for most of those UFOs...
what exactly were they attacking? The Atlantic ocean?

Marc

They had an underwater base ., and they attacked the cargo ship ., at the start of the episode... thats what i can recall. I can hope to find plot holes ., if i look hard enough at most forms of t.v. s. f... but that would spoil the fun.rc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > But then I think the episode was called "Reflections in the Water"
> when the aliens sent fifty…50! Spaceships in two waves and still they
> go their butts handed to them. As far as I can tell Sky 1 took care
> of all 25 in the first wave and the interceptors and the Moonbase
> ground rocket launchers took out the other 25. And in that I could
> have sworn that I saw 4 interceptors launch missiles. Please correct
> me if I'm wrong.

That sounds about right... I counted 4 Interceptor missiles as well.

Also, there was a lack of a clear target for most of those UFOs...
what exactly were they attacking? The Atlantic ocean?

Marc



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"National Geographic" fights aliens....?

:-)
Dave H.


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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom & Pam McCaughey
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Plot holes



I agree that putting the SHADO logo on all their hardware seems silly. In my fan fic I depicted them as unmarked, except for the times they were masquerading (sp?) as Environment Canada or the National geographic to get into sites to take on the aliens in which they might be seen by 'the locals'.

Pam the Canuck

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I like where they are detecting and tracking UFO's before they have their tracking equipment installed yet, in Episode One.

....And, they're broadcasting freely to everyone listening on radio including aliens, that it's the priceless utronics tracking equipment they're shipping across to the moon, yes, right now aliens....come and get it!....

....Then, the aliens detect the shipment & send out a ship, and make a 6 month + journey across space to intercept this equipment on it's 3 day journey across to the moon.... and still make it in time to intercept!

Dave H.


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Sky 1.... 5 time Ace in a day!!!!
Damn!

Dave H.



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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Plot holes


--- In [hidden email], "Rob Neal" <tryptych@...> wrote:
>
> The one that always got me as a kid was, you have three lunar
> interceptors, each with one missile.
>
> ...So send four+ UFOs.
>
> I thought they said it was intelligent life?
>

I know you're not supposed to think too much when you watch TV or
movies because it'll spoil the fantasy like why do beings on the
other side of the galaxy speak fluent English on ST Voyager? But I
too could never stop thinking why the single UFO not destroyed by the
interceptors didn't just go blast the now defenseless interceptors
out of the sky. Instead it just continued on to Earth to get drilled
by Sky 1.

But then I think the episode was called "Reflections in the Water"
when the aliens sent fifty.50! Spaceships in two waves and still they
go their butts handed to them. As far as I can tell Sky 1 took care
of all 25 in the first wave and the interceptors and the Moonbase
ground rocket launchers took out the other 25. And in that I could
have sworn that I saw 4 interceptors launch missiles. Please correct
me if I'm wrong.

At any rate these guys have to be the laughing stock of the
interstellar community surpassed in incompetence perhaps only by the
invading aliens in Independence Day who got taken out by a bunch of
standard jet planes!..LOL

Have a good day all!

Jim





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My favorite Straker line.... (Dalotek Affair)

"....A private corporation has no business on the moon. Besides, all the *valuable* mineral deposits were taken away long ago...."

This is 1980 mind you....

Dave H.


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----- Original Message -----
From: James Gibbon
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Plot holes


On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:16:33 +0100
"Kevin Lazenby" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It might be fun to list the plot holes +
> incobsistencies.......
>

One or two spring to mind immediately - in The Dalotek Affair, Straker,
supposedly a senior film executive, is happy to make a video phone call
to a civilian organisation based on the Moon in his role as a senior
military figure responsible for Moonbase.

The whole idea of Destruction is at odds with the premise of the
series. In this one, the Aliens just want to destroy all life on Earth,
which would presumably render it useless as a venue for takeaway
replacement body parts. Of course you can explain that away after the
event as the action of a rogue Alien faction, or as something else -
but I don't think the writer had that in mind.

James




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I have to agree Straker's line from the Dalotek Affair was much too much
premature - the writers must have assumed that the US was going to take over
the moon from 69 on and use it as their own private mining haven.

On the subject of the National Geographic going after aliens.....the
Environment Canada and HG logos are purely to put off the locals while our
intrepid heroes make the world safe for democracy.....well......something
like that.....Pam the Canuck