RE: Discovery.

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> > It seems that there've been a great number of testimonials
> > from government & military folks that there is proof, for
> > example: http://www.disclosureproject.org/
>
>Interesting site, Marc. Have you changed your opinion on
>"real" UFO's then? I always thought you were a s(c/k)eptic
>in this regard.

I vary on the subject -- certainly when "UFO" first came out,
I thought UFO's were real, and was motivated to watch the
series because I thought it was going to be a non-fiction
show about UFOs! (I was also into the whole "Chariots
of the Gods" craze). In the years since I've gone back and
forth on the subject, and decided that I really haven't
researched the subject enough to have a knowledgeable opinion.
But if I had the time and inclination, I'd certainly look at
the stuff being presented on that website above, because
it doesn't appear as "whacko" as a lot of UFO sites.

Marc

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Like Marc, I read "Chariots of the Gods" as a young person and was probably
very influenced by it. Alot of what Von Daniken said makes sense to me - in
fact I'd say at least one of my UFO stories (Shifting Sands esp) comes from
his theories about ancient religions and civilizations having been "seeded"
by alien intervention.

There is alot of wacko stuff out there, esp those people who are convinced
that they are some sort of messiahs sent from aliens (i.e. the Raelians)
with a message for earth. The Day The Earth Stood Still notwithstanding, I
rather doubt these people are on the up and up! However, there has been an
enormous amount written about people who claim they are the victims of alien
abduction (Whitley Streiber - Communion - for one), and since UFO the series
was mainly about the aliens abducting humans and harvesting their organs,
you can see that one may have influenced the other!

Pam

Wow, I remember having ALL the Von Daniken books, all
in paperback. I would pour over the photos and read
his conclusions of pre-history UFO visitation. It had
to be true! What other explanation was there?

Wellll....

Most of Von Daniken's "discoveries" have been
explainable as reasonable, down-to-earth artifacts,
especially when you have a REAL expert of the ancient
civilization's culture and history.

I recently saw Von Daniken in a TV special with one of
the stars from "Home Improvement" (wow, a real mental
giant there!) and he was being shown all these things
that absolutely had to be proof of ancient astronauts!
What else could it be?? The truth is, you can fid
anything in anything if you look hard enough. The guy
is up there with Uri Geller and that ilk--total
whackjobs.

JF

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Hi JF and all - I too saw that docu with von Daniken and buddy from Home
Improvement. I know it's true you can find "truth" out there if you really
want to, or not. The point for me is, that the original idea, that some or
all of our ancient civilizations may have had some outside guidance,
intrigues me. Remember in Star Trek there is the Prime Directive
(non-interference in lesser developed societies)? But in TOS and all the
later incarnations, stories appeared that showed the PD was often ignored or
blatantly flouted.

Anyhoo, I find some of these "theories" make for great UFO story ideas, and
while I may not buy into 100%, they work for fiction. Pam

> You can fig anything if you try hard enough.

I'm not saying that I believe Daniken explain nations... some are very far
out there. But...your above statement can work both ways. What if he is right
or near enough right. It would throw most established science out the
window. There was a interesting documentary on the early hunters of dinosaur
fossils. One was a well respected scientist and the other a talented scientist but
not well known. The two come to dislike each other because the respected
scientist was not welling to accept new ideas. He did everything in his power to
harm the reputation of the other scientist even stealing things that the other
had found and claiming them as his own work. This is the man who wrote what
the dinosaurs were like and that view is the one that most of us learned in
school. The other scientist had a different view of them and because the other
scientist had the reputation and the connections he saw to it that others work
was laughed at. Now a hundred years later we are finding out that the well
respected scientist did know what he was talking about. His view of what the
dinosaurs were like was wrong according to the discoverys of more recent
scientist. The thing is the things they are finding are what the less respected
scientist tried to tell years ago.
You can fig anything if you try hard enough even the truth. Don't
make judgements till you consider all the facts and don't trust experts who have
axes to grind.

James K.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela McCaughey" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Discovery.


> Like Marc, I read "Chariots of the Gods" as a young person and was
probably
> very influenced by it. Alot of what Von Daniken said makes sense to me -
in
> fact I'd say at least one of my UFO stories (Shifting Sands esp) comes
from
> his theories about ancient religions and civilizations having been
"seeded"
> by alien intervention.
>

Hey Pam,

Try "The Sentinal", by Arthur C. Clarke. Best one of all of
them....IMHO.

Dave H.

----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Discovery.



> window. There was a interesting documentary on the early hunters of
dinosaur
> fossils. One was a well respected scientist and the other a talented
scientist but
> not well known. The two come to dislike each other because the respected
> scientist was not welling to accept new ideas. He did everything in his
power to
> harm the reputation of the other scientist even stealing things that the
other
> had found and claiming them as his own work. This is the man who wrote
what
> the dinosaurs were like and that view is the one that most of us learned
in
> school. The other scientist had a different view of them and because the
other
> scientist had the reputation and the connections he saw to it that others
work
> was laughed at. Now a hundred years later we are finding out that the
well
> respected scientist did know what he was talking about. His view of what
the
> dinosaurs were like was wrong according to the discoverys of more recent
> scientist. The thing is the things they are finding are what the less
respected
> scientist tried to tell years ago.
>

Is that the one where the guy made the TRex standing up, and he put the head
on the tail?

Dave H.

Thanks Dave - isn't The Sentinal the inspiration for 2001 A Space Odyssey?
Pam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela McCaughey" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Discovery.


Sure was, but in a heavily altered state. It was adapted by Clarke to be
made into the film by Kubrick. If you haven't read the book version of 2001,
I suggest you do so. While I'm a voracious fan of Stanley Kubrick, and he
did an awesome job with 2001, he varied greatly from Clarke's final book
when he made the film.
In the book form, Clarke spends a lot of time taking the reader through
the alien's seeding and monitoring process, starting right from the
beginning, the Dawn of Man, as it were.

Wouldn't it have been interesting plot twist if Straker & Co. found out
that we here on earth were just a cattle farm origionally set up by the
aliens specifically for their purpose?
We just happened to grow up a bit after some form of "forced abscence" of
theirs, home planet crisis perhaps?
They come back, thousands of years later, finding out we're not quite as
easy pickings as they'd last left us.

....Nah, I like the old premise better.....

Dave H.

Dave - I LOVE your idea!!!!!! Pam
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