Re: Skydiver subs

(snipped) "Someone wrote once that there is a scene with men on Skydiver's
outside deck, and the scale shows that as finally imagined, Skydiver is a
full-sized sub. Just because we never see the rest of Skydiver's crew,
doesn't prove that they don't exist, given the amount of times we see inside
Skydiver."

I recall seeing a scene like that in Sub-Smash I think in which Straker and
Foster are scanning the water with binoculars from the conning tower. But,
in PsychoBombs, when the alien-directed saboteur gets on board Skydiver 3,
it doesn't look as large. I think depending on their models and sets,
Skydiver "changed" sizes and scale a couple of times. I would prefer to
think of the Skydiver subs as large, with crews of 40-50 people, more like
modern military subs, with their own mess halls, proper sleeping quarters,
possibly nuclear-powered. But, I'm getting into a ton of conjecture here.

The bottom line is that what we saw in the series was what the production
could afford!

Pam

I think that Sky 1 lands on the surface, rests, then the sub surfaces behind
it and adjusts bouyancy to level up with Sky before retractable docking arms
on the sub engage with the jet, come to a level aspect, then draw the jet
back onto the front of the sub.
The question of the size of the sub - in subsmash, we never see another door
that leads off the control deck excpet the captains cabin. Unless the crew
trapse through the captain's cabin all the time, there's no other way to get
to the back of the sub easily. Obviously there's a crawl tube to the back to
get to the rear compartment, as Nina tries to use it to escape.
Grant.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pam McCaughey [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 22 March 2001 16:28
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Skydiver subs



(snipped) "Someone wrote once that there is a scene with men on Skydiver's
outside deck, and the scale shows that as finally imagined, Skydiver is a
full-sized sub. Just because we never see the rest of Skydiver's crew,
doesn't prove that they don't exist, given the amount of times we see inside
Skydiver."

I recall seeing a scene like that in Sub-Smash I think in which Straker and
Foster are scanning the water with binoculars from the conning tower. But,
in PsychoBombs, when the alien-directed saboteur gets on board Skydiver 3,
it doesn't look as large. I think depending on their models and sets,
Skydiver "changed" sizes and scale a couple of times. I would prefer to
think of the Skydiver subs as large, with crews of 40-50 people, more like
modern military subs, with their own mess halls, proper sleeping quarters,
possibly nuclear-powered. But, I'm getting into a ton of conjecture here.

The bottom line is that what we saw in the series was what the production
could afford!

Pam




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--- In SHADO@y..., Grant Wray <grantw@w...> wrote:
> ... I think depending on their models and sets,
> Skydiver "changed" sizes and scale a couple of times. ...

It seems that they got careless with size and scale. Gross size/scale
errors can easily also be found in a look through "Transformers"
comics, and they grate to me as an adult viewer / reader. It was
otherwise in the 1960's when the old UK comic "Eagle" was being made
:: when its space comic series "Dan Dare" was drawn, each frame was
posed by actors in the studio to check on pose possibility.

At 04:58 PM 3/22/01 -0000, you wrote:
>I think that Sky 1 lands on the surface, rests, then the sub surfaces behind
>it and adjusts buoyancy to level up with Sky before retractable docking arms
>on the sub engage with the jet, come to a level aspect, then draw the jet
>back onto the front of the sub.

My thoughts exactly! Rough seas would make this maneuver a bit tricky
and time consuming, though, so I would think that the pilot brings along a
book to read (And a few seasickness bags to boot!)!

>The question of the size of the sub - in subsmash, we never see another door
>that leads off the control deck excpet the captains cabin. Unless the crew
>traipse through the captain's cabin all the time, there's no other way to get
>to the back of the sub easily. Obviously there's a crawl tube to the back to
>get to the rear compartment, as Nina tries to use it to escape.
>Grant.

Wasn't that crawl tube one of the tubes that connect to the Sky 1
underwing pods? It looked to me like it went to the bow of the boat! And as
for size, I'm building one of the resin recasts from Monsters in Motion
that were made from the original WAVE vinyl model, and it looks to be about
1/72 scale. The sub itself measures out to approximately 12.6 inches, which
would make it just over 75 1/2 feet long (Or 22.9 meters for you metric
types out there! ;-) , and Sky 1 is 6 inches, making it 36 feet (10.9 m) in
length. It loses about 1 foot ( 0.3 m) of length from the docking
mechanisms at the bow of the submersible, so the total length of both craft
together would be 110 1/2 feet (33.5 m) in total length. Now compare that
to a Los Angeles class fast attack submarine at 360 feet (109 m) or an Ohio
class ballistic missile sub at 560 feet (170.69 m), and you can see that
SkyDiver would have to stay close to a main base for supply!



There was a space traveler named Wright
Who liked to go faster than light
He started one day
In a relative way
And came back the previous night!

Dave Walsh
Harlington-Straker Sound Productions
[hidden email]
http://members.home.net/darqnyt/index.html

[hidden email] wrote:
> It was otherwise in the 1960's when the old UK comic "Eagle"
> was being made :: when its space comic series "Dan Dare"
> was drawn, each frame was posed by actors in the studio to
> check on pose possibility.
>

I think that Dan Dare actually dates back to the 1950s .. back
home in Hartlepool I have two Eagle Annuals (..at least I do
if my mum hasn't chucked them out yet) dating from the early
fifties (I think) that used to belong to my older brother.
A couple of great Dan Dare stories in there. I love the
juxtaposition of the 1950s brylcreem haircuts and the brightly
coloured spacesuits.

There's some fascinating stuff in there - science articles
predicting colour TV and satellites (sort of) - the article
says something like "perhaps one day ever-flying aeroplanes
will be used to reflect radio signals around the globe".
Stuff about nuclear power as well.

Nothing about UFO though <cough>

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<snip>
Fuel's not a problem as SkyDiver would use the same tiny and super-
efficient atomic (sic) engines that are used in all other SHADO
vehicles, so the only supplies they'd need would be food (fresh
water is easy to make from the sea if you have ample power to spare).
--
Rob

Food's no problem too, so long as you don't mind fish!

Grant


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At 16:58 22/03/01 +0000, you wrote:
>I think that Sky 1 lands on the surface, rests, then the sub surfaces behind
>it and adjusts bouyancy to level up with Sky before retractable docking arms
>on the sub engage with the jet, come to a level aspect, then draw the jet
>back onto the front of the sub.

May be possible on a very calm lake, but on the Sea? Impossible most of the
time, I would say. Quite apart from which, I doubt Sky 1 floats. And if it
did, it would be lower in the water than where it is when Skydiver is
cruising on the surface, so SkyDiver should be a few feet lower in the
water than normal. Why not have Sky 1 land on the water somehow, then float
down to about 100 to 150 feet where there is less of a swell, then Skydiver
does all the work for reconnecting the two?

CU

Lieve



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