SHADO and its fake cover

Hey UFO-Heads,

Do you think SHADO really preserved its secret in the "proper" way?

I ask you:

1- What episode(s) either humans or aliens were on the verge to
discover the real location of SHADO? I only remember 'TIMELASH', but
I'm sure there were many other moments. Can you list them, please?

2- Do you think it is plausible that a Colonel of the United States
of America suddenly quitted USAF and became a renowed movie
producer? Is it plausible as "facade" for the general public out of
there?

3- Any special note about the relationship between the general
public and SHADO's existence? Ordinary people are not supposed to
know about SHADO headquarters, Moonbase and Skydiver(s). Are ARMY
and NAVY *NOT* supposed to know, even? What's the only main force
behind SHADO?

Many thanks,

T.C.

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--- apecalypsenow <[hidden email]> wrote:

If the aliens were able to track the character played
by Deborah Grant in Psychobombs, they would have
learned SHADO's location. She is brought to SHADO HQ
by Paul Foster.



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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:17:24 -0000
"apecalypsenow" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey UFO-Heads,
>
> Do you think SHADO really preserved its secret in the "proper" way?
>
> I ask you:
>
> 1- What episode(s) either humans or aliens were on the verge to
> discover the real location of SHADO? I only remember 'TIMELASH', but
> I'm sure there were many other moments. Can you list them, please?

Can't remember, sorry. Middle age has proved to be a natural amnesia
drug, I'm afraid.

> 2- Do you think it is plausible that a Colonel of the United States
> of America suddenly quitted USAF and became a renowed movie
> producer? Is it plausible as "facade" for the general public out of
> there?

Not really, especially when he's happy to revert to military mode
in the open, in The Dalotek Affair.

> 3- Any special note about the relationship between the general
> public and SHADO's existence? Ordinary people are not supposed to
> know about SHADO headquarters, Moonbase and Skydiver(s). Are ARMY
> and NAVY *NOT* supposed to know, even? What's the only main force
> behind SHADO?
>

I think that the senior staff in the Royal Navy and Army must surely
know about SHADO, as do senior politicians.

But what about the people who built SHADO HQ, or the SkyDivers, or
the Interceptors? This is perhaps the least convincing aspect of the
UFO premise, for me. It would be phenomenally cost-ineffective to
design and build a handful of SkyDivers just for SHADO. If such a
craft could be built, NATO's various navies would have them as well,
and that would eliminate the need for subterfuge quite nicely. No
need to hide them from the general public; no-one would blink an
eyelid at the sight of a SkyDiver taking to sea.

James

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:12:22 -0800 (PST)
Ron DeMedeiros <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> If the aliens were able to track the character played
> by Deborah Grant in Psychobombs, they would have
> learned SHADO's location. She is brought to SHADO HQ
> by Paul Foster.
>

Didn't they know it anyway? I always thought that the
film studio cover was to conceal SHADO's headquarters
from the general public, not from the Aliens. In fact
they send a UFO specifically to destroy SHADO HQ in
one episode. Which one? Er ..

> Didn't they know it anyway? I always thought that the
> film studio cover was to conceal SHADO's headquarters
> from the general public, not from the Aliens. In fact
> they send a UFO specifically to destroy SHADO HQ in
> one episode. Which one? Er ..

CONFLICT... where Sky One destroys it at the last
minute...

Marc

I think:

STRANGE! Tha Aliens shouldn't be supposed to know SHADO's Earth
location... so, why didn't they simultaneously attacked the studios
with hundreds of UFOs?

Are you sure about it? If the aliens keep to attack the SHADO
location, general public will discover it's not an ordinary movie
studio anyway.

So I think they don't know... and both CONFLICT and TIMELASH were
isolated episodes...

I'm confused now.

T.C.

 

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

James Gibbon wrote:

> But what about the people who built SHADO HQ

You build separate, shop-fabricated modules in various parts of the
world with different contractors under cover of being a prototype
process plant (or other ruse). We already do this routinely with
large-scale construction, except not for SHADO.

Each module is designed and built to be bolted together by relatively
unskilled personnel and is faked-up to look like normal stuff. The final
modules are real (say, an experimental liquid hydrogen plant that has to
be located far away due to the potential of accidents), costs billions
of wasted dollars after a few years' "operation" and gets a lot of
negative press and scorn for the failure.

If "the fate of the planet" is at stake, cost is no object, right?

Hmmm, maybe I should refine this concept a bit. Perhaps the abandoned
movie studio (remote, but located close to a private airport so that
movie stars could arrive without fanfare) gets closed 5 years prior to
the SHADO HQ construction.

I'm running out of ideas...

Paul

The episode was "CONFLICT"!!!When Col.Foster was pissed off at General
Henderson and Commander Straker apologized to Henderson on Fosters behalf.


>From: James Gibbon <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [SHADO] Re: SHADO and its fake cover
>Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:22:06 +0000
>
>On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:17:24 -0000
>"apecalypsenow" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Dear UFO-heads,

I agree with everything you're saying here, but please, HOW the
aliens managed to discover the location of the HQ?

T.C.




--- In [hidden email], "Anthony Smith" <belmarbadboy@...>
wrote:
>
> The episode was "CONFLICT"!!!When Col.Foster was pissed off at
General
> Henderson and Commander Straker apologized to Henderson on Fosters
behalf. way?
> > >
> > > I ask you:
> > >
> > > 1- What episode(s) either humans or aliens were on the verge to
> > > discover the real location of SHADO? I only
remember 'TIMELASH', but
> > > I'm sure there were many other moments. Can you list them,
please?
> >
> >Can't remember, sorry. Middle age has proved to be a natural
amnesia
> >drug, I'm afraid.
> >
> > > 2- Do you think it is plausible that a Colonel of the United
States
> > > of America suddenly quitted USAF and became a renowed movie
> > > producer? Is it plausible as "facade" for the general public
out of
> > > there?
> >
> >Not really, especially when he's happy to revert to military mode
> >in the open, in The Dalotek Affair.
> >
> > > 3- Any special note about the relationship between the general
> > > public and SHADO's existence? Ordinary people are not supposed
to
> > > know about SHADO headquarters, Moonbase and Skydiver(s). Are
ARMY
> > > and NAVY *NOT* supposed to know, even? What's the only main
force
> > > behind SHADO?
> > >
> >
> >I think that the senior staff in the Royal Navy and Army must
surely
> >know about SHADO, as do senior politicians.
> >
> >But what about the people who built SHADO HQ, or the SkyDivers, or
> >the Interceptors? This is perhaps the least convincing aspect of
the
> >UFO premise, for me. It would be phenomenally cost-ineffective to
> >design and build a handful of SkyDivers just for SHADO. If such a
> >craft could be built, NATO's various navies would have them as
well,
> >and that would eliminate the need for subterfuge quite nicely. No
> >need to hide them from the general public; no-one would blink an
> >eyelid at the sight of a SkyDiver taking to sea.
> >
> >James
>
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Radio signals. Starker even says so. And they have spies and mind
control. Psychobombs found SkyDiver pens e.g.

GW.

--- In [hidden email], "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> Dear UFO-heads,
>
> I agree with everything you're saying here, but please, HOW the
> aliens managed to discover the location of the HQ?
>
> T.C.

GW wrote:
> Radio signals. Starker even says so. And they have spies and mind
> control. Psychobombs found SkyDiver pens e.g.

And in REFLECTIONS IN THE WATER, we see that they know so much
about SHADO HQ that they could build a perfect likeness of it
and the staff.

Marc

GW wrote:

And if you want something it's a good idea to not destroy it first just
so you can say, "it's mine, mine, all mine!".

Paul

Hi guys - coming outta lurk for a momento - I am not certain the writers
and/or producers really ever answered the question about the issue of
whether the aliens knew where SHADO HQ was actually located. I suspect this
was a plot hole they just didn't consider. The thing with UFO is because it
was only 26 eps - its rather short on canon. I think those of us who like to
do UFO fan fiction have sort of taken it upon ourselves to answer some of
those question with our own imaginations - there's certainly tons of scope
for doing so.

Pam the Canuck

SHADO's location was most definitely known by the Aliens as shown in
several episodes.

SHADO was to be kept secret from the masses of the world as it would
be feared that there may be mass hysteria if it was found out that
Aliens were coming to Earth to harvest us. So really it was keeping
itself secret from our world more than the Aliens.

In my mind the Aliens had a problem. If they were to totally destroy
SHADO then a larger more open force against them may be brought into
existence. So they might try to limit SHADO's effectiveness to operate
but destroying it outright might work against them.

Regards,
Barry

Hector,

That's a real good consideration, I totally agree on this! Congrats.

As much as SHADO wants to keep itself "hidden" and "obscure" to
human/earthling eyes, the Aliens shouldn't be bothered to uncover
their presence to terrestrials. So SHADO has a double duty: to stay
in the shadows and to STOP the Aliens to shed light on their own
existence!

Am I right?

T.C.




--- In [hidden email], "naughtyhector" <rod.mitchell@...>
wrote:
>
> SHADO's location was most definitely known by the Aliens as shown
in
> several episodes.
>
> SHADO was to be kept secret from the masses of the world as it
would
> be feared that there may be mass hysteria if it was found out that
> Aliens were coming to Earth to harvest us. So really it was
keeping
> itself secret from our world more than the Aliens.
>
> In my mind the Aliens had a problem. If they were to totally
destroy
> SHADO then a larger more open force against them may be brought
into
> existence. So they might try to limit SHADO's effectiveness to
operate
> but destroying it outright might work against them.
>
> Regards,
> Barry
>

Lurking in the SHADOw's! I like that - wonder if that is the
original intention when the series was devised?

There are several stories of the show where SHADO are covering up.
So SHADO is meant to foil any Alien attempts to land on Earth and
also cover up any landings that do occur. Also eliminate either by
the amnesia drug or "other" means anyone who isn't a SHADO agent who
has knowledge of said occurences...



--- In [hidden email], "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...>
wrote:
>
> Hector,
>
> That's a real good consideration, I totally agree on this!
Congrats.
>
> As much as SHADO wants to keep itself "hidden" and "obscure" to
> human/earthling eyes, the Aliens shouldn't be bothered to uncover
> their presence to terrestrials. So SHADO has a double duty: to
stay
> in the shadows and to STOP the Aliens to shed light on their own
> existence!
>
> Am I right?
>
> T.C.

The AMNESIA drug! And people here is *STILL* wondering how they
built up SHADO without "revealing" it... they made hundred and
hundred of workmen take a little bit of AMNESIA as well...

T.C.




--- In [hidden email], "naughtyhector" <rod.mitchell@...>
wrote:
>
> Lurking in the SHADOw's! I like that - wonder if that is the
> original intention when the series was devised?
>
> There are several stories of the show where SHADO are covering up.
> So SHADO is meant to foil any Alien attempts to land on Earth and
> also cover up any landings that do occur. Also eliminate either by
> the amnesia drug or "other" means anyone who isn't a SHADO agent
who uncover
> > their presence to terrestrials. So SHADO has a double duty: to
> stay
> > in the shadows and to STOP the Aliens to shed light on their own
> > existence!
> >
> > Am I right?
> >
> > T.C.
>

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:59:51 -0700
Paul Bowers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> James Gibbon wrote:
>
> > But what about the people who built SHADO HQ
>
> You build separate, shop-fabricated modules in various parts of the
> world with different contractors under cover of being a prototype
> process plant (or other ruse). We already do this routinely with
> large-scale construction, except not for SHADO.
>

Right, but it can be seen fairly clearly that SHADO HQ is not made of
prefab modules, and in any case - burrowing out the space underground
can't be done remotely.

Perhaps SHADO HQ should have been built in an underground location
that already existed, but was closed to the public - perhaps for safety
reasons. Say a tube station, or part of an old underground line.

I would have thought it within the bounds of reason that SHADO HQ
could have been built without revealing its true nature. Just a
couple of years ago it was revealed in the UK that a small
underground 'town' had been constructed in Wiltshire during the Cold
War, which would have been used in the event of nuclear attack. This
only came out many years after it was constructed, and was a secret
not known to the public at large. It was though, likely known to the
Soviets. (Possible analogy with UFO here?)

Admittedly this was built under an existing forces base, so secrecy
was easier to assure. However I could imagine SHADO HQ being built by
the military under guise of filming a war epic, to explain all the
military personnel that may have been around!

Regarding the secret construction of the SHADO military assets, again
I find some analogy with the construction of the F-117 stealth
fighter, whose secret existence was only made public some years after
it was in service.



--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <jg@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:59:51 -0700
> Paul Bowers <pbowers@...> wrote:
>
> > James Gibbon wrote:
> >
> > > But what about the people who built SHADO HQ
> >
> > You build separate, shop-fabricated modules in various parts of
the
> > world with different contractors under cover of being a prototype
> > process plant (or other ruse). We already do this routinely with
> > large-scale construction, except not for SHADO.
> >
>
> Right, but it can be seen fairly clearly that SHADO HQ is not made
of
> prefab modules, and in any case - burrowing out the space
underground
> can't be done remotely.
>
> Perhaps SHADO HQ should have been built in an underground location
> that already existed, but was closed to the public - perhaps for
safety
> reasons. Say a tube station, or part of an old underground line.
>