Sky 1 or interceptor?

By the way, I forgot to ask before... Just what is an "Utronic Drive" anyway? Is this from Lakes company too?

Robert Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:Now remember Picard is not really French, so he wouldn't really act like that.
BYB: Aren't we a triffle (Truffle?) OFF-SUBJECT here?

Michael Wolff
wrote:
Kaoru wrote:

>If the Interceptors were equipped with the "Utronic Drive", they
>would have been able to do the "Picard Maneuver"???


What? You mean talk for five minutes, then surrender?

Michael

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Robert Thomas wrote:
> Now remember Picard is not really French, so he wouldn't really act
> like that.

Please keep your ignorant remarks about the French to yourself -
thanks.

James, Europe

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From: "Robert Thomas" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Sky 1 or Interceptor?


> So everything in UFO can fly at really mind-boggling speeds when it suits
the writers purpose, but they go back to "Normal" speeds when they want a
UFO get to get away from the Interceptors.
> Just like there are all of those convient "Blind Spots" in the radar
coverage for the UFOes to slip through time after time.
> By the way.. Thanks for the info on the ION Engin. I guess I will have to
look that up since I missed it before.
>


Try this one on for size -
Throughout the series, they seem to imply that a Lunar Module flight to the
moon takes about 2 hours. Yet in the episode "The Man Who Came Back", it
takes Straker and Craig Collins 7 hours to launch from earth and rendevouz
with SID in low earth orbit.
Frankly, I think these little details were just due to the writers not
putting much thought into things....

By the way, over the past few years, I've pieced together from various
sources these numbers concerning ion engines. These were for two versions
produced by the Hughes Corp, a 13 cm diameter version and a 25 cm diameter
version -

601HP 13 cm unit - it used xenon gas as the propellant, with a mass flow
rate of 0.000001409 lbs/sec (about 1/8 lb per day) and an exhaust
velocity of 92,253 ft/sec, giving it an output thrust of .004 lbs or about
1/15th of an ounce.

702 25 cm unit - xenon gas propellant, mass flow 0.0000129 lbs/sec
(about 1.1 lbs per day), Vex same about 92,253 ft/sec, yielding an output
thrust of around 0.037 lbs or about 6/10th's of an ounce.

....Hardly suited to pushing an interceptor around after a UFO.....

Dave H

Robert Thomas wrote:
> Just what is an "Utronic Drive" anyway? Is this from Lakes company
too?

Sorry, Robert, but the "Utroninc Drive" is just my put-up job.
However, if the Interceptors are able to fly at speed to SOL 1.127.
as instructed by Lt. Ford in the episode "Close Up", I think that
there must be some method to fly FTL.

BTW, does SOL really mean "Speed Of Light"???


Kaoru

"davrecon" wrote:
>
> Try this one on for size -
> Throughout the series, they seem to imply that a Lunar Module
> flight to the moon takes about 2 hours. Yet in the episode "The
> Man Who Came Back", it takes Straker and Craig Collins 7 hours to
> launch from earth and rendevouz with SID in low earth orbit.
> Frankly, I think these little details were just due to the writers
> not putting much thought into things....
>

Yes, I agree - the NASA launch frm The Man Who Came Back looks very
much like real-life 1960s 'space travel', and it's somewhat
incongruous in the UFO Universe. It seems bizarre that it's
possible for SHADO to travel to the moon in a small reusable
vehicle that docks with an aircraft, yet NASA is still using
massive Saturn V type rockets.

>> Throughout the series, they seem to imply that a Lunar Module
> flight to the moon takes about 2 hours.

Also confusing is the information on the Fanderson UFO collectors cards
released last year or whenever, which states that the lunar module travels
to the moon at Mach 1. Would make episodes like 'Conflict' which has
several trips by Lunar Module, a very long episode ;-)

I always thought that part of The Man Who Came Back where they needed to use
a NASA rocket was a little strange - since in Close Up when Foster and
Masters needed to install the camera on the probe they carried out the EVA
from the module.

Jess

>It seems bizarre that it's possible for SHADO to travel to the
>moon in a small reusable vehicle that docks with an aircraft,
>yet NASA is still using massive Saturn V type rockets.

I thought it was a given that the military uses secret technology
that's about 30 years ahead of what the public agencies (NASA, etc.)
have available to them. For example, the folks who live by airforce
bases in Nevada, etc. often see all sorts of wierd things flying
around that aren't easily explained by current technology.

Marc

Marc Martin wrote:

>
> I thought it was a given that the military uses secret technology
> that's about 30 years ahead of what the public agencies (NASA, etc.)
> have available to them.

I don't really believe that, not as far as NASA is concerned
anyway. I really do think that the space race was conducted with
the most capable technology available to anyone. I don't believe
that the military can test or operate space technology without
NASA's involvement anyway, in practice NASA is used for military
space applications (secret Shuttle flights to deploy military
satellite hardware etc).

And I can't believe that the military would have been capable of a
moon landing in 1939 :o)

>I don't really believe that, not as far as NASA is concerned
>anyway.

Obviously you've never visited with or worked with people from
NASA... they're still living in the 60's... :-/

Marc

>I don't really believe that, not as far as NASA is concerned
anyway. I really do think that the space race was conducted with
the most capable technology available to anyone. I don't believe
that the military can test or operate space technology without
NASA's involvement anyway, in practice NASA is used for military
space applications (secret Shuttle flights to deploy military
satellite hardware etc).

Although it's a wild shot, the writers might have been thinking that by that
time the ESA would be up to scratch, enough to have their own technology,
and the British deign for a lunar 'shuttle' althought never realised, was
more along the lines of SHADO's lunar module. Back in the 60s it was
thought that a European Space Agency was a feasible thing capable of
competing with the USSR and USA. Quatermass' 'British Rocket Group' was
thought to be a real possibility. So maybe we built the lunar module for
SHADO, and that's why it's faster - nippy and British ;-)

Jess

> Although it's a wild shot, the writers might have been thinking
> that by that time the ESA would be up to scratch

You think the writers were really thinking that hard about things?
I think they were probably just looking for an excuse to film
a rocket launch... :-)

As I recall, even THUNDERBIRDS had a big rocket launch scene
in the episode "Sun Probe". And that was supposed to be WAY
in the future.

BTW, as for my comments about the mila

Ah yes, Area 51 and Groom Lake. One of the few military bases where you can be shot on sight, no questions asked, just for tresspasing.
Did you know that no American Space Photo outfit can legally take pictures of that area, yet you can find them on the net.
By the way, I also rather doubt NASA would still be using multi stage missiles if they didn't have to. Once again we are bluring the line between what might be and what is clearly "TV Hype"

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>It seems bizarre that it's possible for SHADO to travel to the
>moon in a small reusable vehicle that docks with an aircraft,
>yet NASA is still using massive Saturn V type rockets.

I thought it was a given that the military uses secret technology
that's about 30 years ahead of what the public agencies (NASA, etc.)
have available to them. For example, the folks who live by airforce
bases in Nevada, etc. often see all sorts of wierd things flying
around that aren't easily explained by current technology.

Marc



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Thanks for clearing that up. I have studied a number of the shows and I can't think of anything else it might mean, althought there are a few times when they make it sound like a direction. Either that or they are just running the line all together.

tchbnk <[hidden email]> wrote:Robert Thomas wrote:
> Just what is an "Utronic Drive" anyway? Is this from Lakes company
too?

Sorry, Robert, but the "Utroninc Drive" is just my put-up job.
However, if the Interceptors are able to fly at speed to SOL 1.127.
as instructed by Lt. Ford in the episode "Close Up", I think that
there must be some method to fly FTL.

BTW, does SOL really mean "Speed Of Light"???


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> BTW, does SOL really mean "Speed Of Light"???

Yes, in UFO, whenever they say "SOL", they mean the
speed of light. I think this might be in the writers
guide or a script. But in any case, in IDENTIFIED
they state that the UFO is coming in at "SOL 8", then
SID tells you the speed in millions of miles per
second which happens to be (when you do the math)
8 times the speed of light.

Marc

--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <james.gibbon@v...> wrote:
> "davrecon" wrote:
> Yes, I agree - the NASA launch frm The Man Who Came Back looks very
> much like real-life 1960s 'space travel', and it's somewhat
> incongruous in the UFO Universe. It seems bizarre that it's
> possible for SHADO to travel to the moon in a small reusable
> vehicle that docks with an aircraft, yet NASA is still using
> massive Saturn V type rockets.

Well, I have the perfect explanation ;-). The answer is payload
capacity. The lunar module was fast but could only carry a small
crew (2 people?). The Saturn V was able to carry SkyDiver^D^D, I
mean, SkyLab ;-), a 100+ Ton space lab, or a very heavy lunar lander
and service module during the missions to the moon. We must assume
that they needed the Saturn V to carry some heavy replacement parts
for SID. (Not even the space shuttle comes close to the carrying
capacity of a Saturn V.)

And please disregard the fact that it wouldn't be easy for 2
astronauts to maneuver massive parts during an EVA!

David Levine

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Levine" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:47 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Sky 1 or Interceptor?


------------------------------------------------

Forgetting one thing - after all that launching, they arrived at SID in
this piddling little lifting body, not like it was loaded with a lot of
heavy payload.

Also, what good is a Lunar Module that can only carry two people at a
time? It MUST have more capacity below decks or something, otherwise, it
would be impractical to rotate moonbase crews one person at a time per trip,
with a certified pilot and only one passenger.

Even if you argued that it was like driving a car and everyone up there
could fly it, two at a time is wasteful for turning over a moonbase staff of
any significant size. Also, they would need it to carry cargo, spare parts,
ordinance, and consumables for resupply.

It has to be a bigger ship, not just a little sports car to the moon....

Dave H.

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Hi All

snip
<What other catch phrases did UFO give us, come to think of it? Straker
contributed a lot of memorable lines like that.>

Here are a few memorable lines, just for starters:

- "Steer 042" - Captain Carlin's favourite course for SkyDiver... always
irritated me that they couldn't come up with a few different courses.

- "It must have been instantaneous" - whenever someone snuffs it (used in
many Anderson productions)

- "Straker!" - General Henderson's normal greeting to the head of SHADO ;)
...normally growled through a bag of road chippings...

- "Hello Commander" - various ...love the way Lieutenant Ellis say it :)

Best to all, Griff

><What other catch phrases did UFO give us, come to think of it? Straker
contributed a lot of memorable lines like that.>

Foster's 'Stop that hovercraft' in Timelash is a personal favourite.

as well as Lake's 'Ed's not a killer'. Ask the aliens if they would say the
same thing :-)

Jess

[hidden email] wrote:

> I was always intrigued by Straker's expression, he's out of it. It
> presumably being life.
>
> What other catch phrases did UFO give us, come to think of it? Straker
> contributed a lot of memorable lines like that.
>


Actually "he's out of it" is a familiar English slang expression, so it
was probably an error to have Straker say it.