Thanks so much to all who replied on this topic. All answers were clarifying and I think I've got it cleared up now. -- Just like all Naval commanding officers of a ship are the captain of that vessil even though they may hold a rank other (usually equal to or higher) than Captain. So Straker holds a rank (or formally did, given he's "officially" retired) but is still SHADO's COMMANDing officer (or "Commander-in-Chief" as one poster put it) > does shado qualify as black ops? > Oh most definately! "Deep-black", even. One wouldn't want members of the public or general administration to be able to discover the existence of SHADO by simply viewing the annual budget sheet allocations! In one episode towards the end where General Henderson reluctantly eventually agrees to find some way to provide funding to clear up space debris in orbit, Straker suggests to him to call it the "<name of dead pilot> fund". The unspoken assumption being that this is how they were going to hide the money that would be required for this endevour. (Othewise it could simply be listed as part of the pre- existing orbital debris clearing project). Given that another episode put SHADO as a "multi-billion dollar" MILITARY organisation (which it most definately would be), it's interesting to speculate on how it might be hidden away :-) (On the other hand I've read one figure putting the total US black budget as $1.7 Trillion, so hiding a SHADO in there somewhere, I suspect mightn't be all that hard...) |
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A bit of hyperbole from me, but I've looked at the relevant episodes, read the official guides and this is the answer to Straker's rank. In the episodes "Identified" and "Confetti Check A-OK" his rank is that of a full colonel in the USAF. Henderson is a Major General in the USAF. Months after the attack on Straker, Henderson and the Minister, Henderson is looking to be first commander of SHADO, but gets the presidency of the IAC instead. Straker retires from the air force, ostensibly to enter the world of business and run a film studio, but in reality to command SHADO. It would make sense that Henderson is referred to as General, as has been pointed out, you keep your rank title as an honorific even when you retire from the service. Straker could conceivably keep his colonel rank as an honorific, but in order to distance his cover job as head of Harlington-Straker, it would be better to not remind people of his previous employment. SHADO created its own ranks, as it's a military organisation, but not one that is answerable to any individual government, but to the UN and the IAC. As colonel is a senior rank in SHADO but Straker isn't (or wasn't) a general, the title Commander is created for him. There seems to be some grey area in IAC-SHADO boundaries...does SHADO answer to the IAC (who after all, co-ordinates national space flight activities and controls SHADO's budget) or can SHADO override the IAC in matters of security? Nick |
Nick, others, Anyone ever tally the various ranks inidividuals are referred to by at SHADO? Straker was a Commander. I take it form his title that a naval, rather than air force, model was followed, as in Star Trek, space travel being commonly regarded as a extension of sea travel in military science fiction. Dean --- In [hidden email], "Nick" <off_break_2001@y...> wrote: > > A bit of hyperbole from me, but I've looked at the relevant > episodes, read the official guides and this is the answer to > Straker's rank. > > In the episodes "Identified" and "Confetti Check A-OK" his rank is > that of a full colonel in the USAF. Henderson is a Major General in > the USAF. Months after the attack on Straker, Henderson and the > Minister, Henderson is looking to be first commander of SHADO, but > gets the presidency of the IAC instead. Straker retires from the > air force, ostensibly to enter the world of business and run a film > studio, but in reality to command SHADO. > > It would make sense that Henderson is referred to as General, as has > been pointed out, you keep your rank title as an honorific even when > you retire from the service. Straker could conceivably keep his > colonel rank as an honorific, but in order to distance his cover job > as head of Harlington-Straker, it would be better to not remind > people of his previous employment. SHADO created its own ranks, as > it's a military organisation, but not one that is answerable to any > individual government, but to the UN and the IAC. As colonel is a > senior rank in SHADO but Straker isn't (or wasn't) a general, the > title Commander is created for him. There seems to be some grey > area in IAC-SHADO boundaries...does SHADO answer to the IAC (who > after all, co-ordinates national space flight activities and > controls SHADO's budget) or can SHADO override the IAC in matters of > security? > > Nick |
----- Original Message ----- From: "maintzger" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: [SHADO] Re: Straker's rank: The definitive answer > > > > Nick, others, > > Anyone ever tally the various ranks inidividuals are referred to by > at SHADO? Straker was a Commander. I take it form his title that a > naval, rather than air force, model was followed, as in Star Trek, > space travel being commonly regarded as a extension of sea travel in > military science fiction. > > Dean > ---------------------------------------------------------- While not a formal tally, I've only heard of 2 ranks ever being mentioned in SHADO. Everyone's either a Lieui or a Colonel. There seems to be a conspicuous lack of any real Captains, Majors, Lt Colonels, or any other intermediate rankings in the organization, and I've never heard of an enlisted man. Only Skydiver Captains are called a "Captain", and, of course, Straker is "Commander", but I don't think that has anything to do with naval rank. It's just a reference to him being the overall commander of the organization. His real standard rank during SHADO would probably not still be a colonel given the passage of 10 years, but maybe a brigadier or major general now, since they never seem to cover it that well in the series..... IM very HO. Dave H. |
Dave, Thanks for the info. I suspect the people who sat staring into consoles were the enlistees, like the character who is so envious of Straker that he bargains with the aliens in "Timelash." (In the original Star Trek, I think the enlistees were the guys who died screaming on away missions before the first commercial). The paucity of ranks mentioned probably reflects a lack of consistent, thought out policy laid down for the writers. The enlistees were apparently beneath consideration. Dean --- In [hidden email], "davrecon" <davrecon@n...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "maintzger" <maintzger@y...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:11 AM > Subject: [SHADO] Re: Straker's rank: The definitive answer > > > > > > > > > > Nick, others, > > > > Anyone ever tally the various ranks inidividuals are referred to > > at SHADO? Straker was a Commander. I take it form his title that a > > naval, rather than air force, model was followed, as in Star Trek, > > space travel being commonly regarded as a extension of sea travel in > > military science fiction. > > > > Dean > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > While not a formal tally, I've only heard of 2 ranks ever being > mentioned in SHADO. Everyone's either a Lieui or a Colonel. > There seems to be a conspicuous lack of any real Captains, Majors, Lt > Colonels, or any other intermediate rankings in the organization, and I've > never heard of an enlisted man. > Only Skydiver Captains are called a "Captain", and, of course, Straker > is "Commander", but I don't think that has anything to do with naval rank. > It's just a reference to him being the overall commander of the > organization. His real standard rank during SHADO would probably not still > be a colonel given the passage of 10 years, but maybe a brigadier or major > general now, since they never seem to cover it that well in the series..... > IM very HO. > > Dave H. |
These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction idea I have. SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi- national force not answerable to any individual government ("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter and keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead. The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel, less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations. Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills. Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as a one man fire brigade. Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics, communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close to SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts computer tests and analysis. Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems, such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back"). Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training, assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of SHADO's internal security. Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank ("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water"). Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain ("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain Beaver James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station in "The Psychobombs"). The lowest officer rank is Lieutenant, but even within this rank, some Lieutenants are senior to others. Sometimes, Lieutenants are in charge of Moonbase ("Identified", "Computer Affair", "Survival") or Interceptor squadrons ("Computer Affair", "Kill Straker!"). If there are any ranks lower than Lieutenant, they are never mentioned. All space trackers and SHADO HQ communications officers are Lieutenants. Medical personnel are outside of the rank loop: They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker ("The Long Sleep", "Kill Straker!"). There is one chain of command anomaly in the SHADO rank structure, and, typically, it's Dr. Doug Jackson. Although he is SHADO's top psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well ("Exposed", "Court Martial") and his loyalty at times seems to be more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court Martial", "Timelash"). Any thoughts? |
Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have watched every episode one night. It is amazing how many people forget that Col. Lake was in the first episode and she was the inventor of the machine that allows instant communication with Moonbase.
Nick <[hidden email]> wrote: These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction idea I have. SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi- national force not answerable to any individual government ("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter and keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead. The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel, less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations. Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills. Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as a one man fire brigade. Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics, communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close to SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts computer tests and analysis. Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems, such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back"). Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training, assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of SHADO's internal security. Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank ("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water"). Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain ("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain Beaver James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station in "The Psychobombs"). The lowest officer rank is Lieutenant, but even within this rank, some Lieutenants are senior to others. Sometimes, Lieutenants are in charge of Moonbase ("Identified", "Computer Affair", "Survival") or Interceptor squadrons ("Computer Affair", "Kill Straker!"). If there are any ranks lower than Lieutenant, they are never mentioned. All space trackers and SHADO HQ communications officers are Lieutenants. Medical personnel are outside of the rank loop: They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker ("The Long Sleep", "Kill Straker!"). There is one chain of command anomaly in the SHADO rank structure, and, typically, it's Dr. Doug Jackson. Although he is SHADO's top psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well ("Exposed", "Court Martial") and his loyalty at times seems to be more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court Martial", "Timelash"). Any thoughts? Yahoo! Groups Links signature test'; "> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
I had thought about this two and I agree with most of it.I noticed for example that Lt Ford has 3 bands on his sleeve while some other Lt's have only two. Unfortunately they don't seem to show rank bands on the ladies. I had always supposed though that "Commander" Straker was merely his title as the commanding officer and that he was either still a full Colonel or maybe higher. But you may be right. Thanks for doing all the homework. WOW Lyn -------Original Message------- From: legg bryan Date: 03/22/05 15:54:28 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [SHADO] Further thoughts on SHADO ranks Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have watched every episode one night. It is amazing how many people forget that Col. Lake was in the first episode and she was the inventor of the machine that allows instant communication with Moonbase. Nick <[hidden email]> wrote: These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction idea I have. SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi- national force not answerable to any individual government ("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter and keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead. The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel, less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations. Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills. Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as a one man fire brigade. Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics, communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close to SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts computer tests and analysis. Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems, such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back"). Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training, assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of SHADO's internal security. Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank ("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water"). Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain ("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain Beaver James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station in "The Psychobombs"). The lowest officer rank is Lieutenant, but even within this rank, some Lieutenants are senior to others. Sometimes, Lieutenants are in charge of Moonbase ("Identified", "Computer Affair", "Survival") or Interceptor squadrons ("Computer Affair", "Kill Straker!"). If there are any ranks lower than Lieutenant, they are never mentioned. All space trackers and SHADO HQ communications officers are Lieutenants. Medical personnel are outside of the rank loop: They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker ("The Long Sleep", "Kill Straker!"). There is one chain of command anomaly in the SHADO rank structure, and, typically, it's Dr. Doug Jackson. Although he is SHADO's top psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well ("Exposed", "Court Martial") and his loyalty at times seems to be more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court Martial", "Timelash"). Any thoughts? Yahoo! Groups Links signature test'; "> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Well, I didn't watch them all in one night, but over the course of a month. What can I say? I'm a fanboy! Nick --- In [hidden email], legg bryan <bslwrsf@y...> wrote: > Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have watched every episode one night. It is amazing how many people forget that Col. Lake was in the first episode and she was the inventor of the machine that allows instant communication with Moonbase. |
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In a message dated 3/22/05 8:40:41 AM, [hidden email] writes: > Thanks for doing all the homework. > And they really do Lyn. These guys know their stuff in all areas. My hat goes off to you all :0) Amy Straker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Lyn, Nick, others, I remarked early that there appear to be parallels between Straker as commander of Shado, and Eisenhower as supreme Allied commander in WWII; they are both Americans, and there is even a facial similarity. Eisenhower was made a five-star general, the only individual given such a rank, to reflect his command of Allied forces. I suspect Straker remained a colonel when transferred to SHADO, but was given the title "Commander" to reflect his command of the other SHADO colonels. We can infer that UFO was an officer corp centered drama, officer- enlistee interactions in which rank was mentioned having occured off- screen. Stories centered around higher-level decision making, with no attention being given to power plant operation, console maintenance, food preparation, and the like. The doctor's status is so incongurous that his character must have been intended as the source for at least one story line in which higher-level political intrigues of the IAC were revealed. Passing mention is made in at least two episodes that I can remember of Soviet participation in SHADO - the pilot and "Timelash." I can only infer that the Slavic psychiatrist and intelligence expert was on loan from the Soviets to General Henderson, under the condition that the doctor's anonymity be maintained, hence the Irish surname; the condition of anonymity almost surely related to the doctor's role in Soviet intelligence. Thanks to Nick for collating the information. This is the sort of information that should be in books on the show. Dean --- In [hidden email], Lyn Chambers <Sonstar58@g...> wrote: > > I had thought about this two and I agree with most of it.I noticed for > example that Lt Ford has 3 bands on his sleeve while some other Lt's have > only two. Unfortunately they don't seem to show rank bands on the ladies. > I had always supposed though that "Commander" Straker was merely his title > as the commanding officer and that he was either still a full Colonel or > maybe higher. But you may be right. Thanks for doing all the homework. WOW > Lyn > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: legg bryan > Date: 03/22/05 15:54:28 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [SHADO] Further thoughts on SHADO ranks > > Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have > episode one night. It is amazing how many people forget that Col. Lake was > in the first episode and she was the inventor of the machine that allows > instant communication with Moonbase. > > Nick <off_break_2001@y...> wrote: > > These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've > given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of > SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction > idea I have. > > SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi- > national force not answerable to any individual government > ("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of > SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter > keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court > Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The > President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to > command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead. > > The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank > of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel, > less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations. > > Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are > handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO > is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting > commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or > represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often > gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer > Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills. > > Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as > Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat > With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent > to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of > Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as > a one man fire brigade. > > Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics, > communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the > detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man > Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close > SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts computer > tests and analysis. > > Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems, > such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back"). > > Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training, > assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The > Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of > SHADO's internal security. > > Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next > down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank > ("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water"). > Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain > ("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are > senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain > James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station in "The > Psychobombs"). > > The lowest officer rank is Lieutenant, but even within this rank, > some Lieutenants are senior to others. Sometimes, Lieutenants are > in charge of Moonbase ("Identified", "Computer Affair", "Survival") > or Interceptor squadrons ("Computer Affair", "Kill Straker!"). > > If there are any ranks lower than Lieutenant, they are never > mentioned. All space trackers and SHADO HQ communications officers > are Lieutenants. Medical personnel are outside of the rank loop: > They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being > medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of > medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker > ("The Long Sleep", "Kill Straker!"). > > There is one chain of command anomaly in the SHADO rank structure, > and, typically, it's Dr. Doug Jackson. Although he is SHADO's top > psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long > Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well > ("Exposed", "Court Martial") and his loyalty at times seems to be > more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court > Martial", "Timelash"). > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > signature > > test'; "> > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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--- In [hidden email], "maintzger" <maintzger@y...> wrote: > > > Lyn, Nick, others, > > I remarked early that there appear to be parallels between Straker > as commander of Shado, and Eisenhower as supreme Allied commander in > WWII; they are both Americans, and there is even a facial > similarity. Eisenhower was made a five-star general, the only > individual given such a rank, to reflect his command of Allied > forces. I suspect Straker remained a colonel when transferred to > SHADO, but was given the title "Commander" to reflect his command of > the other SHADO colonels. Thanks for the encouragement guys. There's been a lot of talk about how the hardware of SHADO works but I think the core of the show was its relationships between the characters and so for me, the organisation of SHADO is of more interest than how exactly did the pilots enter their interceptors. I think the Eisenhower model for Straker is a good one. Like Eisenhower, Straker has his General George Marshall figure in Henderson. In WW2, Marshall hoped to have been supreme commander of the Allies but was kept back as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff whilst his subordinate, Eisenhower, got the field command he so craved...and subsequently, the close relationship between the two men went from being close to being tempestuous...much like Straker and Henderson. I'm wondering if the Ike-Marshall relationship was used as a model for UFO. Like I said, I'm toying with a few fan fiction ideas. One story involves a pro-alien group on Earth and will have Colonels Freeman, Lake, Foster and Grey involved together for the first time and the second is set in 1978 with the building of moonbase and the incident that causes the rift between Straker and Henderson. Nick |
Like I said, I'm toying with a few fan fiction ideas. One story involves a pro-alien group on Earth and will have Colonels Freeman, Lake, Foster and Grey involved together for the first time and the second is set in 1978 with the building of moonbase and the incident that causes the rift between Straker and Henderson. Nick These sound great Nick. Get writing!! LOL. And do you know about the SHADO library? You can ask the librarian about posting your fiction there. Lyn (Did I do it right this time Marc?) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
> These sound great Nick. Get writing!! LOL. And do you know about the SHADO > library? You can ask the librarian about posting your fiction there. > Lyn Good luck with the writing Nick, I've been to the SHADO library and it's great to read the stories there. I can picture them in my mind as I read. Anyone know about any other sites that post UFO fan fic stories? Karen |
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Nick, I may be wrong but here is my take on Henderson vs Straker. Before they were attacked by the UFO in Identified they were friends or at least had a professional regard for each other. After the attack Henderson was injured and because of his injuries could not function as the head of SHADO. The council who funded SHADO did not want to give Henderson the chance to heal so they wanted Straker to become head of SHADO. When Henderson did heal they placed him in charge of the money for SHADO. The enmity between Henderson and Straker was because Straker was used to getting what he wanted when he wanted it. Henderson became a thorn in Straker's side because they started counting pennies and Henderson would not give in unless he had to. All this is just my opinion based on the events in UFO.
Lyn Chambers <[hidden email]> wrote: Like I said, I'm toying with a few fan fiction ideas. One story involves a pro-alien group on Earth and will have Colonels Freeman, Lake, Foster and Grey involved together for the first time and the second is set in 1978 with the building of moonbase and the incident that causes the rift between Straker and Henderson. Nick These sound great Nick. Get writing!! LOL. And do you know about the SHADO library? You can ask the librarian about posting your fiction there. Lyn (Did I do it right this time Marc?) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links signature test'; "> --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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There is some one who is important to SHADO, because she guards the entrance to SHADO HQ, in Straker's office, but who seems to have no rank, Miss Ealand. |
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--- In [hidden email], legg bryan <bslwrsf@y...> wrote: > Nick, I may be wrong but here is my take on Henderson vs Straker. Before they were attacked by the UFO in Identified they were friends or at least had a professional regard for each other. After the attack Henderson was injured and because of his injuries could not function as the head of SHADO. The council who funded SHADO did not want to give Henderson the chance to heal so they wanted Straker to become head of SHADO. When Henderson did heal they placed him in charge of the money for SHADO. The enmity between Henderson and Straker was because Straker was used to getting what he wanted when he wanted it. Henderson became a thorn in Straker's side because they started counting pennies and Henderson would not give in unless he had to. All this is just my opinion based on the events in UFO. That's certainly one take on events, but for me there's a deeper conflict going on. According to "Confetti Check A-OK", Straker put the case for creating SHADO in place of Henderson, who was still recovering from his injuries. It seems to me that the UN was very impressed with Straker's passionate speech and saw the younger man as a better long term bet for being chief (it takes nearly 10 years to get SHADO up to full strength). Later on, in about 1972/73 (you have to do a bit of guesswork as to how much time elapses in "Confetti Check A-OK" but the flashback starts in August 1970 (as revealed in a calender) Henderson is settling into his offices at the IAC and the relationship with Straker is still cordial. A number of people here think that the IAC merely controls SHADO's budget, but looking at the episodes, it does more than that. In "Court Martial", it's Henderson as the head of the IAC who presides over Foster's court case and whenever there's a question of a security breach at SHADO, Henderson is there again telling Straker to sort it out. To me, SHADO is the military wing of the IAC, who in turn co-ordinates the space flight activities of different national and corporate space agencies. Nick |
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> Anyone know about any other sites that post UFO fan > fic stories? > Karen > FanFiction.net although, i think you'll find that most of those are duplicates of the ones on SHADO Library ... there are a few that aren't. dragon <g> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
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Stuart, As Ms. Ealand normally dealt with the general public, and SHADO is a secret, top secret, or above top secret organization, she could not normally work in uniform. (Pardon me if the U.K. security clearance levels go by different names than in the U.S.) An officer's assistant would not be a civilian, although it is possible Ms. Ealand was not involved in Straker's SHADO-related functions. She was probably not moved to her position directly from military service, as that might have drawn public scrutiny, given Straker's military background. She may have received the required security clearance working covertly within intelligence, and been offered a position within SHADO, much like Foster, but probably as an enlistee. A military administrative assistant would most likely be an enlistee clerical specialist of some sort. Dean --- In [hidden email], "Stuart" <stuart@i...> wrote: > > > There is some one who is important to SHADO, because she guards the > entrance to SHADO HQ, in Straker's office, but who seems to have no > rank, Miss Ealand. |
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