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jedi_majestic


Thanks so much to all who replied on this topic. All answers were
clarifying and I think I've got it cleared up now. -- Just like all
Naval commanding officers of a ship are the captain of that vessil
even though they may hold a rank other (usually equal to or higher)
than Captain. So Straker holds a rank (or formally did, given
he's "officially" retired) but is still SHADO's COMMANDing officer
(or "Commander-in-Chief" as one poster put it)


> does shado qualify as black ops?
>
Oh most definately! "Deep-black", even. One wouldn't want members of
the public or general administration to be able to discover the
existence of SHADO by simply viewing the annual budget sheet
allocations!

In one episode towards the end where General Henderson reluctantly
eventually agrees to find some way to provide funding to clear up
space debris in orbit, Straker suggests to him to call it the "<name
of dead pilot> fund". The unspoken assumption being that this is how
they were going to hide the money that would be required for this
endevour. (Othewise it could simply be listed as part of the pre-
existing orbital debris clearing project).

Given that another episode put SHADO as a "multi-billion dollar"
MILITARY organisation (which it most definately would be), it's
interesting to speculate on how it might be hidden away :-)

(On the other hand I've read one figure putting the total US black
budget as $1.7 Trillion, so hiding a SHADO in there somewhere, I
suspect mightn't be all that hard...)
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Straker's rank: The definitive answer

Nick

A bit of hyperbole from me, but I've looked at the relevant
episodes, read the official guides and this is the answer to
Straker's rank.

In the episodes "Identified" and "Confetti Check A-OK" his rank is
that of a full colonel in the USAF. Henderson is a Major General in
the USAF. Months after the attack on Straker, Henderson and the
Minister, Henderson is looking to be first commander of SHADO, but
gets the presidency of the IAC instead. Straker retires from the
air force, ostensibly to enter the world of business and run a film
studio, but in reality to command SHADO.

It would make sense that Henderson is referred to as General, as has
been pointed out, you keep your rank title as an honorific even when
you retire from the service. Straker could conceivably keep his
colonel rank as an honorific, but in order to distance his cover job
as head of Harlington-Straker, it would be better to not remind
people of his previous employment. SHADO created its own ranks, as
it's a military organisation, but not one that is answerable to any
individual government, but to the UN and the IAC. As colonel is a
senior rank in SHADO but Straker isn't (or wasn't) a general, the
title Commander is created for him. There seems to be some grey
area in IAC-SHADO boundaries...does SHADO answer to the IAC (who
after all, co-ordinates national space flight activities and
controls SHADO's budget) or can SHADO override the IAC in matters of
security?

Nick
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Re: Straker's rank: The definitive answer

maintzger


Nick, others,

Anyone ever tally the various ranks inidividuals are referred to by
at SHADO? Straker was a Commander. I take it form his title that a
naval, rather than air force, model was followed, as in Star Trek,
space travel being commonly regarded as a extension of sea travel in
military science fiction.

Dean

--- In [hidden email], "Nick" <off_break_2001@y...> wrote:
>
> A bit of hyperbole from me, but I've looked at the relevant
> episodes, read the official guides and this is the answer to
> Straker's rank.
>
> In the episodes "Identified" and "Confetti Check A-OK" his rank is
> that of a full colonel in the USAF. Henderson is a Major General
in
> the USAF. Months after the attack on Straker, Henderson and the
> Minister, Henderson is looking to be first commander of SHADO, but
> gets the presidency of the IAC instead. Straker retires from the
> air force, ostensibly to enter the world of business and run a
film
> studio, but in reality to command SHADO.
>
> It would make sense that Henderson is referred to as General, as
has
> been pointed out, you keep your rank title as an honorific even
when
> you retire from the service. Straker could conceivably keep his
> colonel rank as an honorific, but in order to distance his cover
job
> as head of Harlington-Straker, it would be better to not remind
> people of his previous employment. SHADO created its own ranks,
as
> it's a military organisation, but not one that is answerable to
any
> individual government, but to the UN and the IAC. As colonel is a
> senior rank in SHADO but Straker isn't (or wasn't) a general, the
> title Commander is created for him. There seems to be some grey
> area in IAC-SHADO boundaries...does SHADO answer to the IAC (who
> after all, co-ordinates national space flight activities and
> controls SHADO's budget) or can SHADO override the IAC in matters
of
> security?
>
> Nick
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Re: Straker's rank: The definitive answer

davrecon-3


----- Original Message -----
From: "maintzger" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:11 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Straker's rank: The definitive answer


>
>
>
> Nick, others,
>
> Anyone ever tally the various ranks inidividuals are referred to by
> at SHADO? Straker was a Commander. I take it form his title that a
> naval, rather than air force, model was followed, as in Star Trek,
> space travel being commonly regarded as a extension of sea travel in
> military science fiction.
>
> Dean
>

----------------------------------------------------------


While not a formal tally, I've only heard of 2 ranks ever being
mentioned in SHADO. Everyone's either a Lieui or a Colonel.
There seems to be a conspicuous lack of any real Captains, Majors, Lt
Colonels, or any other intermediate rankings in the organization, and I've
never heard of an enlisted man.
Only Skydiver Captains are called a "Captain", and, of course, Straker
is "Commander", but I don't think that has anything to do with naval rank.
It's just a reference to him being the overall commander of the
organization. His real standard rank during SHADO would probably not still
be a colonel given the passage of 10 years, but maybe a brigadier or major
general now, since they never seem to cover it that well in the series.....
IM very HO.

Dave H.
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Re: Straker's rank: The definitive answer

maintzger


Dave,

Thanks for the info. I suspect the people who sat staring into
consoles were the enlistees, like the character who is so envious of
Straker that he bargains with the aliens in "Timelash." (In the
original Star Trek, I think the enlistees were the guys who died
screaming on away missions before the first commercial).

The paucity of ranks mentioned probably reflects a lack of
consistent, thought out policy laid down for the writers. The
enlistees were apparently beneath consideration.

Dean

--- In [hidden email], "davrecon" <davrecon@n...> wrote:

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "maintzger" <maintzger@y...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:11 AM
> Subject: [SHADO] Re: Straker's rank: The definitive answer
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick, others,
> >
> > Anyone ever tally the various ranks inidividuals are referred to
by
> > at SHADO? Straker was a Commander. I take it form his title
that a
> > naval, rather than air force, model was followed, as in Star
Trek,
> > space travel being commonly regarded as a extension of sea
travel in
> > military science fiction.
> >
> > Dean
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> While not a formal tally, I've only heard of 2 ranks ever
being
> mentioned in SHADO. Everyone's either a Lieui or a Colonel.
> There seems to be a conspicuous lack of any real Captains,
Majors, Lt
> Colonels, or any other intermediate rankings in the organization,
and I've
> never heard of an enlisted man.
> Only Skydiver Captains are called a "Captain", and, of course,
Straker
> is "Commander", but I don't think that has anything to do with
naval rank.
> It's just a reference to him being the overall commander of the
> organization. His real standard rank during SHADO would probably
not still
> be a colonel given the passage of 10 years, but maybe a brigadier
or major
> general now, since they never seem to cover it that well in the
series.....
> IM very HO.
>
> Dave H.
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Further thoughts on SHADO ranks

Nick

These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've
given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of
SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction
idea I have.

SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi-
national force not answerable to any individual government
("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of
SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter and
keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court
Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The
President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to
command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead.

The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank
of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel,
less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations.

Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are
handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO
is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting
commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or
represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often
gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer
Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills.

Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as
Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat
With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent
to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of
Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as
a one man fire brigade.

Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics,
communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the
detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man
Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close to
SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts computer
tests and analysis.

Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems,
such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back").

Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training,
assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The
Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of
SHADO's internal security.

Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next
down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank
("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water").
Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain
("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are
senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain Beaver
James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station in "The
Psychobombs").

The lowest officer rank is Lieutenant, but even within this rank,
some Lieutenants are senior to others. Sometimes, Lieutenants are
in charge of Moonbase ("Identified", "Computer Affair", "Survival")
or Interceptor squadrons ("Computer Affair", "Kill Straker!").

If there are any ranks lower than Lieutenant, they are never
mentioned. All space trackers and SHADO HQ communications officers
are Lieutenants. Medical personnel are outside of the rank loop:
They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being
medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of
medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker
("The Long Sleep", "Kill Straker!").

There is one chain of command anomaly in the SHADO rank structure,
and, typically, it's Dr. Doug Jackson. Although he is SHADO's top
psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long
Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well
("Exposed", "Court Martial") and his loyalty at times seems to be
more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court
Martial", "Timelash").


Any thoughts?
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bryan legg
Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have watched every episode one night. It is amazing how many people forget that Col. Lake was in the first episode and she was the inventor of the machine that allows instant communication with Moonbase.

Nick <[hidden email]> wrote:

These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've
given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of
SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction
idea I have.

SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi-
national force not answerable to any individual government
("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of
SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter and
keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court
Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The
President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to
command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead.

The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank
of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel,
less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations.

Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are
handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO
is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting
commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or
represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often
gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer
Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills.

Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as
Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat
With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent
to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of
Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as
a one man fire brigade.

Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics,
communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the
detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man
Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close to
SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts computer
tests and analysis.

Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems,
such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back").

Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training,
assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The
Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of
SHADO's internal security.

Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next
down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank
("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water").
Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain
("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are
senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain Beaver
James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station in "The
Psychobombs").

The lowest officer rank is Lieutenant, but even within this rank,
some Lieutenants are senior to others. Sometimes, Lieutenants are
in charge of Moonbase ("Identified", "Computer Affair", "Survival")
or Interceptor squadrons ("Computer Affair", "Kill Straker!").

If there are any ranks lower than Lieutenant, they are never
mentioned. All space trackers and SHADO HQ communications officers
are Lieutenants. Medical personnel are outside of the rank loop:
They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being
medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of
medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker
("The Long Sleep", "Kill Straker!").

There is one chain of command anomaly in the SHADO rank structure,
and, typically, it's Dr. Doug Jackson. Although he is SHADO's top
psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long
Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well
("Exposed", "Court Martial") and his loyalty at times seems to be
more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court
Martial", "Timelash").


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rlchambers

I had thought about this two and I agree with most of it.I noticed for
example that Lt Ford has 3 bands on his sleeve while some other Lt's have
only two. Unfortunately they don't seem to show rank bands on the ladies.
I had always supposed though that "Commander" Straker was merely his title
as the commanding officer and that he was either still a full Colonel or
maybe higher. But you may be right. Thanks for doing all the homework. WOW
Lyn




-------Original Message-------

From: legg bryan
Date: 03/22/05 15:54:28
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Further thoughts on SHADO ranks

Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have watched every
episode one night. It is amazing how many people forget that Col. Lake was
in the first episode and she was the inventor of the machine that allows
instant communication with Moonbase.

Nick <[hidden email]> wrote:

These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've
given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of
SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction
idea I have.

SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi-
national force not answerable to any individual government
("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of
SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter and
keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court
Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The
President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to
command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead.

The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank
of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel,
less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations.

Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are
handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO
is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting
commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or
represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often
gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer
Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills.

Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as
Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat
With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent
to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of
Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as
a one man fire brigade.

Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics,
communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the
detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man
Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close to
SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts computer
tests and analysis.

Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems,
such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back").

Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training,
assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The
Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of
SHADO's internal security.

Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next
down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank
("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water").
Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain
("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are
senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain Beaver
James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station in "The
Psychobombs").

The lowest officer rank is Lieutenant, but even within this rank,
some Lieutenants are senior to others. Sometimes, Lieutenants are
in charge of Moonbase ("Identified", "Computer Affair", "Survival")
or Interceptor squadrons ("Computer Affair", "Kill Straker!").

If there are any ranks lower than Lieutenant, they are never
mentioned. All space trackers and SHADO HQ communications officers
are Lieutenants. Medical personnel are outside of the rank loop:
They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being
medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of
medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker
("The Long Sleep", "Kill Straker!").

There is one chain of command anomaly in the SHADO rank structure,
and, typically, it's Dr. Doug Jackson. Although he is SHADO's top
psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long
Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well
("Exposed", "Court Martial") and his loyalty at times seems to be
more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court
Martial", "Timelash").


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Re: Further thoughts on SHADO ranks

Nick
In reply to this post by bryan legg

Well, I didn't watch them all in one night, but over the course of a
month. What can I say? I'm a fanboy!

Nick

--- In [hidden email], legg bryan <bslwrsf@y...> wrote:
> Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have
watched every episode one night. It is amazing how many people
forget that Col. Lake was in the first episode and she was the
inventor of the machine that allows instant communication with
Moonbase.
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AmyStrakerShado1
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In a message dated 3/22/05 8:40:41 AM, [hidden email] writes:


> Thanks for doing all the homework.
>

And they really do Lyn. These guys know their stuff in all areas. My hat goes
off to you all :0)
Amy Straker


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maintzger
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Lyn, Nick, others,

I remarked early that there appear to be parallels between Straker
as commander of Shado, and Eisenhower as supreme Allied commander in
WWII; they are both Americans, and there is even a facial
similarity. Eisenhower was made a five-star general, the only
individual given such a rank, to reflect his command of Allied
forces. I suspect Straker remained a colonel when transferred to
SHADO, but was given the title "Commander" to reflect his command of
the other SHADO colonels.

We can infer that UFO was an officer corp centered drama, officer-
enlistee interactions in which rank was mentioned having occured off-
screen. Stories centered around higher-level decision making, with
no attention being given to power plant operation, console
maintenance, food preparation, and the like.

The doctor's status is so incongurous that his character must have
been intended as the source for at least one story line in which
higher-level political intrigues of the IAC were revealed. Passing
mention is made in at least two episodes that I can remember of
Soviet participation in SHADO - the pilot and "Timelash." I can
only infer that the Slavic psychiatrist and intelligence expert was
on loan from the Soviets to General Henderson, under the condition
that the doctor's anonymity be maintained, hence the Irish surname;
the condition of anonymity almost surely related to the doctor's
role in Soviet intelligence.

Thanks to Nick for collating the information. This is the sort of
information that should be in books on the show.

Dean

--- In [hidden email], Lyn Chambers <Sonstar58@g...> wrote:
>
> I had thought about this two and I agree with most of it.I
noticed for
> example that Lt Ford has 3 bands on his sleeve while some other
Lt's have
> only two. Unfortunately they don't seem to show rank bands on the
ladies.
> I had always supposed though that "Commander" Straker was merely
his title
> as the commanding officer and that he was either still a full
Colonel or
> maybe higher. But you may be right. Thanks for doing all the
homework. WOW

> Lyn
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: legg bryan
> Date: 03/22/05 15:54:28
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [SHADO] Further thoughts on SHADO ranks
>
> Nick, very well done. My only thought is this guy must have
watched every
> episode one night. It is amazing how many people forget that Col.
Lake was
> in the first episode and she was the inventor of the machine that
allows

> instant communication with Moonbase.
>
> Nick <off_break_2001@y...> wrote:
>
> These are my observations on the rank and structure of SHADO. I've
> given examples of episodes where we get evidence of the workings of
> SHADO. I'm trying to sort out some order because of a fan fiction
> idea I have.
>
> SHADO is the military arm of the IAC. As such, it is a multi-
> national force not answerable to any individual government
> ("Confetti Check A-OK"). The IAC not only controls the budget of
> SHADO ("Conflict", "Kill Straker!"), but administers its charter
and

> keeps a check on its security ("Confetti Check A-OK", "Court
> Martial", "Mindbender", "Kill Straker!" and "Timelash"). The
> President of the IAC is General Henderson, who was in line to
> command SHADO but got a bigger promotion instead.
>
> The Commander in Chief of SHADO is Commander Ed Straker. The rank
> of Commander is unique in the organisation; higher than a colonel,
> less than a general. He is responsible for all SHADO operations.
>
> Under Straker, the responsibilities of the departments of SHADO are
> handled by people of the rank of Colonel. 2nd in command of SHADO
> is Colonel Alec Freeman, ready to step into the role of acting
> commander if need be ("The Responsibility Seat", "Sub-Smash"), or
> represent Straker in the field ("Computer Affair"). Straker often
> gets Freeman to handle matters of personnel and training ("Computer
> Affair", "Ordeal") because of Freeman's better people skills.
>
> Next, there's Colonel Paul Foster. He serves on tours of duty as
> Moonbase commander ("Survival", "The Responsibility Seat", "The Cat
> With Ten Lives") but also the senior field agent, ready to be sent
> to the front lines wherever they are ("Sounds of
> Silence", "ESP", "The Psychobombs"). Straker seems to use Foster as
> a one man fire brigade.
>
> Colonel Virgina Lake is in charge of SHADO's electronics,
> communications and computer systems. Inventor of many of the
> detection and passive weapon systems used ("Identified", "The Man
> Who Came Back", "The Psychobombs"), she is trusted and kept close
to
> SHADO headquarters as Straker himself is someone who trusts
computer

> tests and analysis.
>
> Colonel Craig Collins was responsible for SHADO'S space systems,
> such as SID ("The Man Who Came Back").
>
> Colonel John Grey is in charge of personnel, monitors training,
> assesses the fitness of SHADO operatives and administration ("The
> Man Who Came Back"). He also seems to have some responsibility of
> SHADO's internal security.
>
> Below the colonels, the next rank is Major ("The Long Sleep"). Next
> down is the rank of Captain. All Skydiver commanders hold this rank
> ("Identified", "Court Martial", "Reflections In The Water").
> Sometimes Interceptor squadron commanders hold the rank of captain
> ("The Cat With Ten Lives", Captain Steve Minto) or else they are
> senior SHADO officers with specific responsibilities (Captain
Beaver
> James in "Mindbender", the commander of the tracking station
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> They take their orders from senior officers directly, but being
> medicos, they have the right to override any officer in matters of
> medicine ("Ordeal", "Computer Affair") except for Commander Straker
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> psychiatrist ("Kill Straker!") and a medical doctor ("The Long
> Sleep"), he is widely skilled in intelligence work as well
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> more with General Henderson than Commander Straker ("Court
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Nick

--- In [hidden email], "maintzger" <maintzger@y...> wrote:
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> Lyn, Nick, others,
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> I remarked early that there appear to be parallels between Straker
> as commander of Shado, and Eisenhower as supreme Allied commander
in
> WWII; they are both Americans, and there is even a facial
> similarity. Eisenhower was made a five-star general, the only
> individual given such a rank, to reflect his command of Allied
> forces. I suspect Straker remained a colonel when transferred to
> SHADO, but was given the title "Commander" to reflect his command
of
> the other SHADO colonels.


Thanks for the encouragement guys. There's been a lot of talk about
how the hardware of SHADO works but I think the core of the show was
its relationships between the characters and so for me, the
organisation of SHADO is of more interest than how exactly did the
pilots enter their interceptors.

I think the Eisenhower model for Straker is a good one. Like
Eisenhower, Straker has his General George Marshall figure in
Henderson. In WW2, Marshall hoped to have been supreme commander of
the Allies but was kept back as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff whilst his subordinate, Eisenhower, got the field command he
so craved...and subsequently, the close relationship between the two
men went from being close to being tempestuous...much like Straker
and Henderson. I'm wondering if the Ike-Marshall relationship was
used as a model for UFO.

Like I said, I'm toying with a few fan fiction ideas. One story
involves a pro-alien group on Earth and will have Colonels Freeman,
Lake, Foster and Grey involved together for the first time and the
second is set in 1978 with the building of moonbase and the incident
that causes the rift between Straker and Henderson.

Nick
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rlchambers



Like I said, I'm toying with a few fan fiction ideas. One story
involves a pro-alien group on Earth and will have Colonels Freeman,
Lake, Foster and Grey involved together for the first time and the
second is set in 1978 with the building of moonbase and the incident
that causes the rift between Straker and Henderson.

Nick

These sound great Nick. Get writing!! LOL. And do you know about the SHADO
library? You can ask the librarian about posting your fiction there.
Lyn
(Did I do it right this time Marc?)


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raribear



> These sound great Nick. Get writing!! LOL. And do you know about
the SHADO
> library? You can ask the librarian about posting your fiction there.
> Lyn

Good luck with the writing Nick, I've been to the SHADO library and
it's great to read the stories there. I can picture them in my mind
as I read.

Anyone know about any other sites that post UFO fan fic stories?
Karen
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bryan legg
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Nick, I may be wrong but here is my take on Henderson vs Straker. Before they were attacked by the UFO in Identified they were friends or at least had a professional regard for each other. After the attack Henderson was injured and because of his injuries could not function as the head of SHADO. The council who funded SHADO did not want to give Henderson the chance to heal so they wanted Straker to become head of SHADO. When Henderson did heal they placed him in charge of the money for SHADO. The enmity between Henderson and Straker was because Straker was used to getting what he wanted when he wanted it. Henderson became a thorn in Straker's side because they started counting pennies and Henderson would not give in unless he had to. All this is just my opinion based on the events in UFO.
Lyn Chambers <[hidden email]> wrote:



Like I said, I'm toying with a few fan fiction ideas. One story
involves a pro-alien group on Earth and will have Colonels Freeman,
Lake, Foster and Grey involved together for the first time and the
second is set in 1978 with the building of moonbase and the incident
that causes the rift between Straker and Henderson.

Nick

These sound great Nick. Get writing!! LOL. And do you know about the SHADO
library? You can ask the librarian about posting your fiction there.
Lyn
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Stuart
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There is some one who is important to SHADO, because she guards the
entrance to SHADO HQ, in Straker's office, but who seems to have no
rank, Miss Ealand.
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> Nick, I may be wrong but here is my take on Henderson vs
Straker. Before they were attacked by the UFO in Identified they
were friends or at least had a professional regard for each other.
After the attack Henderson was injured and because of his injuries
could not function as the head of SHADO. The council who funded
SHADO did not want to give Henderson the chance to heal so they
wanted Straker to become head of SHADO. When Henderson did heal
they placed him in charge of the money for SHADO. The enmity
between Henderson and Straker was because Straker was used to
getting what he wanted when he wanted it. Henderson became a thorn
in Straker's side because they started counting pennies and
Henderson would not give in unless he had to. All this is just my
opinion based on the events in UFO.

That's certainly one take on events, but for me there's a deeper
conflict going on. According to "Confetti Check A-OK", Straker put
the case for creating SHADO in place of Henderson, who was still
recovering from his injuries. It seems to me that the UN was very
impressed with Straker's passionate speech and saw the younger man
as a better long term bet for being chief (it takes nearly 10 years
to get SHADO up to full strength). Later on, in about 1972/73 (you
have to do a bit of guesswork as to how much time elapses
in "Confetti Check A-OK" but the flashback starts in August 1970 (as
revealed in a calender) Henderson is settling into his offices at
the IAC and the relationship with Straker is still cordial.

A number of people here think that the IAC merely controls SHADO's
budget, but looking at the episodes, it does more than that.
In "Court Martial", it's Henderson as the head of the IAC who
presides over Foster's court case and whenever there's a question of
a security breach at SHADO, Henderson is there again telling Straker
to sort it out. To me, SHADO is the military wing of the IAC, who
in turn co-ordinates the space flight activities of different
national and corporate space agencies.

Nick
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dragon haven
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> Anyone know about any other sites that post UFO fan
> fic stories?
> Karen
>
FanFiction.net

although, i think you'll find that most of those are
duplicates of the ones on SHADO Library ... there are
a few that aren't.

dragon <g>


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maintzger
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Stuart,

As Ms. Ealand normally dealt with the general public, and SHADO is a
secret, top secret, or above top secret organization, she could not
normally work in uniform. (Pardon me if the U.K. security clearance
levels go by different names than in the U.S.) An officer's
assistant would not be a civilian, although it is possible Ms.
Ealand was not involved in Straker's SHADO-related functions. She
was probably not moved to her position directly from military
service, as that might have drawn public scrutiny, given Straker's
military background. She may have received the required security
clearance working covertly within intelligence, and been offered a
position within SHADO, much like Foster, but probably as an
enlistee. A military administrative assistant would most likely be
an enlistee clerical specialist of some sort.

Dean

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> There is some one who is important to SHADO, because she guards the
> entrance to SHADO HQ, in Straker's office, but who seems to have no
> rank, Miss Ealand.
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