UFO Episode Discussions -- E.S.P.

Hi all,

Well, 2 weeks have passed for our UFO episode discussions on CONFETTI
CHECK A-OK, so it's now time to move onto the next episode up for
discussion -- ESP!
If anyone would like to comment on this episode, please do! And if
you need to rewatch the episode before commenting, you've got 2 weeks
to do it!

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Marc Martin, [hidden email]

Hi all,

Well, 2 weeks have passed for our UFO episode discussions on "E.S.P.",
so it's now time to move onto the next episode up for discussion:

KILL STRAKER!

If anyone would like to comment on this episode, please do! And if
you need to rewatch the episode before commenting, you've got 2 weeks
to do it!

--
Marc Martin, [hidden email]

>Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>Well, it's now time to move onto the next episode up for discussion:
> KILL STRAKER!

Way cool! This is one of my favorite episodes. Lots of action, suspense,
and of course, the great confrontation scene between Straker and Paul in the
Command Sphere! I also really get a kick out of Alec's lines throughout the
episode, especially when he's dealing with Henderson. A believable premise
for this story with the brainwashing, as well as lots of angst for Straker
as he deals with Paul's disloyalty. But nothing tops the final scene in the
SHADO armory! Every time I watch that part, I keep thinking: what if Paul
had shot???? Loved it! 10+
Denise

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Denise Felt that:

I agree with Denise, it's a very memorable episode with lots of
dramatic tension between Straker, Foster and Freeman. Two
things about the legendary armoury scene though - firstly the
bit where Straker demonstrates superhuman prowess with the rifle
is really cheesy. Secondly as Denise suggests, Foster COULD
have killed Straker, superhuman shooting skills or not. So
Straker would seem to be taking a huge risk with his own life.

I hate the corny 'quite a guy' bit at the end as well - it makes
me cringe! Love Paul's suit in that scene though, don't think I
could carry off that colour myself.

On the whole it's one of the very best episodes I think.

Michael Billington once said:

"I quite liked Kill Straker for quite different reasons.
It is full of double entendres and worked beautifully as
a self-mockery of a latent homosexual attraction between
Foster and Straker - if I can't have you then nobody will"

in an interview transcribed somewhere on Marc's site.

I wrote to him about a year ago to ask if he thought that this
scene was intentionally homo-erotic and he replied that
"retrospectively it would seem to be clear that there was a
more than unusual bond between Foster and Straker"


James

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[hidden email] wrote:

> So he's tamed down from "latent homosexual attraction between
> Foster and Straker -"

Remember that he says that 'it worked well as ..' not 'it was
intended as ..'. And in his reply to my question he was careful
to use the term 'retrospectively'. I'm personally sure that
there was no intentional suggestion whatever that any of the
UFO characters had gay tendencies. But everyone reads things
into UFO that were never intended, _especially_ on this list!

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From: <[hidden email]>


> So he's tamed down from "latent homosexual attraction between
> Foster and Straker -"

That should please Lieve, too, Amelia.... <giggles>
BTW, Lieve, chère, where are ya?!
8-

>and I happen to have a pretty good guess why he
> tamed down. I'm not at liberty to say anything else.

<shaking head>
Hear! Hear!
<hmph>

<big snips>

> But that's me. <vbg> One could make a case for Straker not liking Foster.
> Why else would he slap him around and then steal his grapes and an apple ?
> <VBG> Yes I know, he saved Foster's life and career in kill Straker.

Don't forget 'Court Martial'...

>Straker
> has lapses in judgement like that, look at who he married and who he
brought
> home and cooked for <g>

You're just jealous... ;-)

> Amelia (grateful that Yuchtar isn't on this list, but pretty sure that
Anny
> and or Christian will forward her my comments first chance they get) ;- )

Now that you mention it...
<evil grin>

--Anny
8-)

Amelia wrote:

<<I have said before and I will say again that there
was no attraction of an undue kind between Straker and
Foster...

grateful that Yuchtar isn't on this list... >>

Given that Straker and Foster are fictional
characters, how they feel about each other must surely
be a matter of interpretation - both by viewers of the
programme, and even more so by the actors playing the
roles. I've never been able to see anything more than
a degree of hero-worship of Straker by Foster -
unreciprocated, at that. However, if one of the actors
- Mike B. - or a fan - Yuchtar - suspect a homosexual
attraction to Straker on the part of Foster, I can
live with that (even if I don't agree with it).

<<Foster's atttraction to women is portrayed
throughout the series... Then take a look... at how
Straker takes in the sight of Jo Fraser... he was
checking her out... My point being neither man is
homosexual.>>

Doesn't mean they mightn't 'swing both ways', so to
speak... after all, it's a well-known fact that all
good-looking guys are at least slightly gay (or so us
not-so-good-looking guys keep telling each other, to
cheer ourselves up about not being in the good-looking
guy category :^ ). And as for 'Butch' Straker and
'Pretty Boy' Foster... <g,d&r>

<<To quote Silli-uh Billington>>

I think that's unfair. Everyone's entitled to their
opinion, especially if they were one of the actors
involved, and for people to cast aspersions about
their motives in putting forward that opinion (as is
done in other messages in the group) is IMO both
unfair and unpleasant.

(And now that I look at the episode again, the 'double
entendres' might indeed be taken to imply 'undue
attraction'... for example, Straker telling Foster to
'spit it out !' :0 ).

<<Ed Bishop seems fond of slapping Billington around.
He does it in Kill Straker obviously, but if you
recall , he does it in Mindbender too.>>

Apparently some gay guys like that sort of thing !<g,d
& running very, very fast>

<<one would assume that they taught Fulbright winning
students how to FAKE slaps. Did Ed Bishop not show up
that day? <G> >>

Alan Perry, director of the episode, says in the
'Fanderson' 'UFO Documentary' that he didn't realise
until they came to shoot the scene that you simply
can't fake a slap - you gotta do it for real ! (Though
you probably don't have to do it so hard that it
leaves the slapee stunned, as Mike B. clearly is in
this scene !).

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--- In SHADO@y..., BedsitterOne@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/12/01 4:12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> andy_lovie@y... writes:
> << (And now that I look at the episode again, the 'double
> entendres' might indeed be taken to imply 'undue
> attraction'... for example, Straker telling Foster to
> 'spit it out !' :0 ). >>
> All right. Just how much *did* Yuchtar pay you? <vbg>
> Amelia (being tormented on a list Yuchtar *is* on)

Where has Yuchtar gone? What groups is she on? I thought she had
vanished off the face of the internet. A pity if we hever again get
another "Thou hast been flamed" off her!

>
> Where has Yuchtar gone? What groups is she on? I thought she had
> vanished off the face of the internet. A pity if we hever again get
> another "Thou hast been flamed" off her!

Yuchtar left SHADO sometime ago.

Sheila

Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!

For anyone who's trying to remember this episode and doesn't have a tape
handy, there are currently images from "Kill Straker" on the frame capture
library site (http://framecaplib.com/ufolib.html).

- Lisa
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Lisa Williams: [hidden email] or [hidden email]
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://framecaplib.com/

--- In SHADO@y..., MCLSSAA2@f... wrote:
>
> Where has Yuchtar gone? What groups is she on? I thought she had
> vanished off the face of the internet. A pity if we hever again get
> another "Thou hast been flamed" off her!

Last I heard she's got a new honey and has been busy seeting up house
& home.

Sister T.

>Lisa Williams <[hidden email]>
wrote:
there are currently images from "Kill Straker" on the frame capture
>library site (http://framecaplib.com/ufolib.html).

Excellent pics, BTW. Keep up the good work, Lisa!
Denise

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ALL Y'ALL HAST BEEN FLAMED !!!!!!



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HEADS UP!!!


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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Yes, Yuchtar come back and refuel the flamethrower.
Some people around here need some hellfire delivered. Just make sure you get
the last name correct. :-)
James K.

--- Yuchtar wrote:
> Hmmmm, what have we here .... ??

Hm? Me? Amelia? Denise? Both James? Or whom you mean? 8-

> Heh heheheheheheheheheheheh

Oops! I know this kind of giggling...

[flush]

> ALL Y'ALL HAST BEEN FLAMED !!!!!!
>
>
>
> Heh heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh

Heck! I knew this would happen... ~~8-[

> -- Yuchtar, refueling her flamer

On the other hand... it becomes very cold in the last days, so
this flaming isn't such a bad idea!

Welcome back, Yuchtar!!! 8-))

Christian

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You could be a bit more selective! also read my full post.

Thank heavens for fireproof suits.


James K. (klingon blood brother)

[hidden email] wrote:

> [hidden email] writes:
>
> <<
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> -- Yuchtar, refueling her flamer >>
> Now wait one damn minute, what did I do?????????????????????

Well, nothing, really - that I know about ..... It's just that your name
is permanently etched on that image and I didn't want to make the effort
to change it. Besides, you probably deserved it anyway.

> Amelia (grumbling, and flicking flesh away, and getting out the aloe)

Oh, quit whining! Wimp.

> WELCOME BACK KLINGON!!! (I think) (ow)

<bow bow>

Welcome to all the new members!!


Christian wrote:
<< Welcome back, Yuchtar!!! 8-)) >>

Thanks, Chrissy!

James **K** Wrote:
<<
Yes, Yuchtar come back and refuel the flamethrower.
Some people around here need some hellfire delivered. Just make sure
you get
the last name correct. :-)
>>

<smirk> Okay, I'm refueling ... ;-)
LOL!

And then he complained:
<<
You could be a bit more selective! also read my full post.
Thank heavens for fireproof suits.
>>

Ah, well, I figured you could all use a little warmth. <shrug>



-- Y <waving to new members>


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