confetti check aok

ROTFLMAO! Yuchy you're a hoot!

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I have no doubt that all of those things were in play - the possibility of
an alien defector versus the possibility that an experimental drug might
work to save his son. The possibility of losing the possible defector if
there where any delays in getting to him. One defector who might save
hundreds, if not thousands of lives with his information, versus one child
who Straker knew might not live in any case. Saving Alec from having to make
that decision - we don't actually know what Alec might have done, we only
assume that Alec would have diverted the plane back to London for Johnny's
sake. And we assume that is Straker's assumption concerning Alec.

My only gripe with the entire 'don't tell Alec' scenario is that by not
letting someone else know, Straker deprived himself of their ideas for a
solution. Maybe someone would have suggested having a local pilot in Ireland
bring the drug to London while the transport was being off loaded. A
corporate jet might have made it to London in faster time than the transport
could get unloaded and in the air again.

 

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Bruce Sherman
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:46 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Responsibility Seat/Question of Priorites

 

 

Think about this. In Responsibility Seat, Alec launches Shado assests to go
after something that turns out not to be a UFO. Now he is redfaced trying to
explain the money he just spent on a false UFO.

So there is evidently a report that needs to be written on how every dime is
spent.

So in a Question of Priorites, Straker orders a Shado asset to fly a small
vile of medicine across the Atlantic to save his son. In the back of his
mind, he is thinking about the trouble he will get into, but its his son, so
he doesnt care.

So Alec finds out that this Shado assest is already in the air. He chalks it
up to Straker being smart. Now can Straker tell Alec the real reason? Could
Alec be also in trouble if he knew? Yes. So in Straker being silent, he is
protecting Alec, at the possible cost of his son. I say possible, because
#1, perhaps his son could live till he gets the medicine? or #2 the medicine
was experimental, not a cure. So maybe it wouldnt have made a difference.

Bruce

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another hit for the writers, vaccines and bacterial growths to grow medicine and make new kinds of infiltration for healing meds-1980.
perhaps the way the experimental medicine worked was more important than the antibiotic itself.
repairing tissue with the medicine in it as it works in the patient's system.
jim

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From: Matt <[hidden email]>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Responsibility Seat/Question of Priorites
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 7:01 PM


 



Good comparision. I think Ed's decision to order an early takeoff, based on a personal need might have pushed the envelope a bit, but reversing Alec's order would have been clearly out of bounds, and Straker knew that. It's also possibile that he didn't tell Alec for the reason you mentioned Bruce. It's my belief that Ed never tells him.

You bring up another valid point by mentioning the fact that the drug may not have worked. Was it experimental, or just not availible in the UK? Another thing to check. :)

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Ooooo, can you say plot untwist? Deb, you're a genius! :)


> Maybe someone would have suggested having a local pilot in Ireland
> bring the drug to London while the transport was being off loaded. A
> corporate jet might have made it to London in faster time than the transport
> could get unloaded and in the air again.
>

Well, the way I see it, Mary did know she was marrying a man in military
intelligence, but as far as she knew, he left the military and became
head of a film studio and he couldn't tell her he still had an important
secret job. So, really, can't blame her for being pissed that he goes
rushing off at all hours - what could possibly be that important at a
film studio?

It is the way she behaves with Johnny that makes her a witch with a
capital B ...

Y


Bruce Sherman wrote:

> For me, its like this.
> Did she know she was marrying someone in military intelligence?  I am sure she did.  I am sure he gave her the Michael Corleone speech, ‘You cant ask me about my business’.
> In the movie, Tora Tora Tora, one of the main characters was in military intelligence and was privy to the secret Japanese intercepts.  At one time, you see his wife driving him around Washington.  His wife realizing something big is going on, and asks her husband. Her husband just doesn’t answer and she gets the message.  Now can Mary be the type of wife who can handle that type of life? evidently not.




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Straker has money - why didn't he just charter a private plane to fly
the meds in?

Y

Matt wrote:

> Ooooo, can you say plot untwist? Deb, you're a genius! :)
>
>
>
>>Maybe someone would have suggested having a local pilot in Ireland
>>bring the drug to London while the transport was being off loaded. A
>>corporate jet might have made it to London in faster time than the transport
>>could get unloaded and in the air again.


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i think even on a rush job on stand by, it would take 45 minutes to get a plane ready and up in the air, while the covert transport could lift off right away.
jim


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And that is the real question, did Mary still think Ed was involved with MI? The break the bloody rule remark would suggest that she did, but it's really not clear. Like other aspects and episodes it seems to be open to interpetation.

I agree that her actions and reactions in Q of P didn't win her any friends.

Of course Yuchy, you could be right, maybe there was something going on with Alec and Ed. *snicker* (Did I say that out loud?) :)

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I don't think it was ever said that he has money, not that wouldn't spend his last dime to save his son.

It is just easier to use a Shado asset.  Military aircraft are faster and probably could be airborne in minutes of it being needed.

but back to the money angle, which brings up another part of Responsibility Seat, when Straker thinks Jo is just setting him up to be blackmailed, meaning he has money?  That is the only indication that there may be money.

Military pay is not a high paying job.

Bruce
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  Straker has money - why didn't he just charter a private plane to fly
  the meds in?

  Y

  Matt wrote:

  > Ooooo, can you say plot untwist? Deb, you're a genius! :)
  >
  >
  >
  >>Maybe someone would have suggested having a local pilot in Ireland
  >>bring the drug to London while the transport was being off loaded. A
  >>corporate jet might have made it to London in faster time than the transport
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The transporter was faster than any comercial jet, other than a Concorde. It could make the New York/London flight in about four hours. A 747 flying at .85 Mach takes about 7 hrs in the air. I need to double check those figures. The Concorde could fly the same route in about 3 hours at Mach 2. Seagull X-ray would have taken an hour and a half. I can only assume that it was halfway around the world as it could have flown round trip in less time than the transporter would have taken.

To make the trip in the time alloted in the episode the transporter had to be making better than Mach 1 even though the engines look like turbofans.

I guess the short answer is any plane that Straker could charter would have been too slow, and the cost of a supersonic aircraft would have been prohibitive. Rutland was going to charter a plane and the Doctor said time was critical. :)



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*Really* need to re-watch all these eps again. Okay, if Rutland offered
to do that, then no point in Ed trying.

I agree with Deb, though, in that I don't know what kind of experimental
medication was going to help a head injury.

Y


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ok, ya got me started,...........
first, eastern ireland probably doesnt have a heckuvalotta planes.
the jet landed in the field, not an airport. to dispatch the mobiles to the seaboard area. so no hand off of the meds would be convenient at all. at least a 30 minute drive to a city.
then , to prep a plane-45 minutes rush job start to take off. then 3 hours to london. maybe 2 if the wind was right. 20 minutes to land, and then a 10-30 minute ambulance siren drive to the hospital.
thats a total of almost 4 hours to charter a plane if it was even possible to do so that day.
minimum.
with the jet dropping off the mobiles and taking off again and then super sonic jump to london maybe a half an hour.
thats all i got to say on it.
jim
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From: Matt <[hidden email]>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: Responsibility Seat/Question of Priorites
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:29 PM


 



The transporter was faster than any comercial jet, other than a Concorde. It could make the New York/London flight in about four hours. A 747 flying at .85 Mach takes about 7 hrs in the air. I need to double check those figures. The Concorde could fly the same route in about 3 hours at Mach 2. Seagull X-ray would have taken an hour and a half. I can only assume that it was halfway around the world as it could have flown round trip in less time than the transporter would have taken.

To make the trip in the time alloted in the episode the transporter had to be making better than Mach 1 even though the engines look like turbofans.

I guess the short answer is any plane that Straker could charter would have been too slow, and the cost of a supersonic aircraft would have been prohibitive. Rutland was going to charter a plane and the Doctor said time was critical. :)

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without watching it again, my memory says he was allergic to penicillin and he might get a infection, which he did, he couldn’t take penicillin ??

Bruce

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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:48 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Responsibility Seat/Question of Priorites

 
*Really* need to re-watch all these eps again. Okay, if Rutland offered
to do that, then no point in Ed trying.

I agree with Deb, though, in that I don't know what kind of experimental
medication was going to help a head injury.

Y

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Oh, well, I know there are synthetic antibiotics, but dunno when they
were created and there are storms here now, so can't go google it - must
sign off now. Maybe I should watch these eps again tonight - assuming
the power doesn't go off ...

Toodles!

Y


Bruce Sherman wrote:

Well, in the ep the doctor's talking about needing an antibiotic that Johnny
could tolerate. But there are issues with that, even. I'm not a doctor, but
infections don't start instantly, and if they were worried about post-op
infection, why wasn't Johnny in an isolation room, and why was Mary with him
wearing street clothes? If the infection was due to something like bowel
spillage, then why wasn't he being monitored more closely?

 

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Yuchtar
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:49 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Responsibility Seat/Question of Priorites

 

 

*Really* need to re-watch all these eps again. Okay, if Rutland offered
to do that, then no point in Ed trying.

I agree with Deb, though, in that I don't know what kind of experimental
medication was going to help a head injury.

Y

Matt wrote:

> The transporter was faster than any comercial jet, other than a Concorde.
It could make the New York/London flight in about four hours. A 747 flying
at .85 Mach takes about 7 hrs in the air. I need to double check those
figures. The Concorde could fly the same route in about 3 hours at Mach 2.
Seagull X-ray would have taken an hour and a half. I can only assume that it
was halfway around the world as it could have flown round trip in less time
than the transporter would have taken.
>
> To make the trip in the time alloted in the episode the transporter had to
be making better than Mach 1 even though the engines look like turbofans.
>
> I guess the short answer is any plane that Straker could charter would
have been too slow, and the cost of a supersonic aircraft would have been
prohibitive. Rutland was going to charter a plane and the Doctor said time
was critical. :)
>
>
>
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>>Straker has money - why didn't he just charter a private plane to fly
>>the meds in?
>>
>>Y

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Ah - real life facts concerning the issue are always good - of course the
tech we see is a little more advanced than that, so if we postulate that,
there's still a possibility for a hand-off that might work. Just not using
RL tech. *grin* But that's why it's called science fiction.

 

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Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: Responsibility Seat/Question of Priorites

 

 


ok, ya got me started,...........
first, eastern ireland probably doesnt have a heckuvalotta planes.
the jet landed in the field, not an airport. to dispatch the mobiles to the
seaboard area. so no hand off of the meds would be convenient at all. at
least a 30 minute drive to a city.
then , to prep a plane-45 minutes rush job start to take off. then 3 hours
to london. maybe 2 if the wind was right. 20 minutes to land, and then a
10-30 minute ambulance siren drive to the hospital.
thats a total of almost 4 hours to charter a plane if it was even possible
to do so that day.
minimum.
with the jet dropping off the mobiles and taking off again and then super
sonic jump to london maybe a half an hour.
thats all i got to say on it.
jim
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Subject: [SHADO] Re: Responsibility Seat/Question of Priorites
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 8:29 PM

 

The transporter was faster than any comercial jet, other than a Concorde. It
could make the New York/London flight in about four hours. A 747 flying at
.85 Mach takes about 7 hrs in the air. I need to double check those figures.
The Concorde could fly the same route in about 3 hours at Mach 2. Seagull
X-ray would have taken an hour and a half. I can only assume that it was
halfway around the world as it could have flown round trip in less time than
the transporter would have taken.

To make the trip in the time alloted in the episode the transporter had to
be making better than Mach 1 even though the engines look like turbofans.

I guess the short answer is any plane that Straker could charter would have
been too slow, and the cost of a supersonic aircraft would have been
prohibitive. Rutland was going to charter a plane and the Doctor said time
was critical. :)

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The bi-polar angle is definitely interesting - I rather think the writer of the eps (Tony Barwick) probably had no plans for mental illness - buuut it does make sense in a way doesn't it to explain Mary's behaviours.....The rescuer complex is a good idea too - there are people out there like that (their own mental illness?) and maybe they enabled each other in some bizarre way....Mary is certainly not popular with UFO fans as marc pointed out - but the irrationality of her character as written in the eps does make her hard to take, esp since most of us ar rooting for Straker! Pam the canuck





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>
> Ah - real life facts concerning the issue are always good - of course the
> tech we see is a little more advanced than that, so if we postulate that,
> there's still a possibility for a hand-off that might work. Just not using
> RL tech. *grin* But that's why it's called science fiction.

Very true Deb.



> least a 30 minute drive to a city.
> then , to prep a plane-45 minutes rush job start to take off. then 3 hours
> to london. maybe 2 if the wind was right. 20 minutes to land, and then a
> 10-30 minute ambulance siren drive to the hospital.

Depends on the aircraft, but I do agree that the logistics could have been an issue.

> Maybe there's an interview with Barwick
> that sheds some light on it, but if there was, I'm sure Marc would have it
> or it would have been mentioned at some point.

There was an interview with Tony Barwick in an old issue of SiG magazine...
I think he thought we were all nuts for over-analyzing the show... :-)
So it didn't have a lot of insights in it, as I recall.

Perhaps he was also a guest at one of the Fanderson conventions, and
there is also an audio interview with him?  I haven't had much luck
in getting permission to post all of that old convention audio
online, even though it appears that Fanderson is never going to
make it available again... :-(

Marc

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> The other thing too is that many UFO script writers DID leave big holes in their plots and I wonder how much thought they put into things at times. (...)I also wonder if from writer to writer if any of them checked out the other scripts or eps enough to know they might BE making mistakes or confusing things with what had happened in other stories.

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There are basically two ways of commissioning scripts for a series.
1) Have a centrally created plotline and commission writers to fill in the blanks in a pre-determined template OR
2)create a "bible" i.e. a few pages defining the concept of the series, settings characters etc as well as things to avoid, and circulate it amongst possible writers and writers agents and have those writers pitch story ideas. Those story ideas are then developed in association with the script editor.

Method 1 is the one most suited to soaps and series with a tight overarching plot which dominates each episode e.g. 24 and Dexter.

Method 2 is the one most suited to series which have episodes which are largely self contained. It's the best way of getting together a lot of diverse story ideas quickly.

Most of the ITC series had very little connection between episodes so method 2 was the prefered option. UFO also used the second option but the problem was that although any episode could be watched individually as a story in itself, there was also a developing situation in regards to the aliens, discovering more about them, aliens trying one strategy then another, etc, etc.

Most of the stories would have been pitched before the series went into pre-production and most of the rest with very few episodes having been completed. (Although the unanticipated break in UFOs production would have given some pause for reflection I doubt that many ideas originally thought good were scrapped entirely - I only know of one). Individual scriptwriters would have known little about what the other writers were doing and would easily have included as a significant plot point something which contradicted something that another writer was concurrently writing in their own study miles away.

It could be said that the script editor should have corrected more contradictions but these things are always done in a rush. There is also the point that no one working on the series ever expected that anyone would ever watch the episodes more than once - twice a couple of years apart at most. Odd discrepancies were less important than a good story.

Don't forget that it often takes fans several watchings over years to spot some problems while the script editor would be having to juggle working on numerous drafts of numerous scripts all at once in a very fluid and fast moving situation. Under no circumstances could a crew costing thousands per hour be left hanging around waiting for script pages. That sort of pressure makes delving into the timeline of Straker's marriage just in case a slip was made in the current script when compared to one shot six months ago highly unlikely.

Regards
John