green skin / amnesia drug

Hi Guys,

For some strange reason I started wondering just what stuff they used to
make the aliens' skins green. (I also wondered if the actors could get if
off easily again)

Another thing. Is there anyone here who knows about drugs? Alternatively,
someone working for MI6 or the CIA or the Mossad or the KGB... OK, here's
the question:
Is there something like our amnesia drug in existence? (And was there in
1969?) If so, how does it work? One dose = one week gone, 4 doses = 4 weeks
gone, or is it unreliable? (Of course, it also would depend on the weight
of the person and probably a few other factors).
I also wonder whether, if such a drug exists, the memories wouldn't return
at some point? Perhaps if triggered by a certain event (the witness
watching another UFO land for instance). Could a hypnotist still retrieve
said memories?
I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely think
Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has
forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to remember.

CU

Lieve

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Lieve says:
>I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely think
>Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has
>forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to remember.

Yeah, that was real tactful of him. Especially since he walked right up to
her and said (something like) "Hi. I don't know you, but I'll bet you're
some kind of geologist"...Real smooth! Nowadays she'd think he'd been
stalking her...

-Kent
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From: Lieve <[hidden email]>

[snippage]

> I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely
think
> Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has
> forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to
remember.

Wow, Lieve, you triggered a long lost memory. I distinctly recall as a
child identifying with Foster ('cause he had "my" name, of course).
Hadn't thought about that in decades. Maybe I was under the influence of
one of those amnesia drugs...

Where do we sign up to the UFO2 -or would that be UFO3?- support page.
In addition to emailing people that could make it happen, why not create
a list of people that want to see it happen?

Paul
Montreal

WOW Lieve - great questions!! Now this is why I joined this site!

Gee - where does one start considering? Well, in response to the green stuff
used to color the "alien" actors' skin, I do know that a special green
make-up was used on Susan Oliver for the Star Trek pilot with Jeffrey Hunter
back in the early 1960's. From everything I've read, it was applied as a
cream and could be easily washed off - see "The Making of Star Trek" by
Stephen E. Whitfield if possible on this. Some similar make-up may have been
used by the UFO production people too.

Drugs - is there really such a thing as an amnesia drug? I rather doubt it.
But, the UFO writers likely created the idea the same way other writers
create things - for plot devices. It's better than just killing off everyone
who saw something they shouldn't have, right? However, I bet Straker &
Company would kill if they thought it was necessary to protect SHADO's
security.....

Triggering memories under hypnotism - we do know that has been done for some
time. But it would make a great story plotline to have someone's memories
brought back by a hypnotist (who was perhaps working on something else with
the person - such as planting a suggestion to quit smoking, etc)! I like
that one very much! You should take that idea and write up a story!

Far out! Pam

Paul wrote:

>Wow, Lieve, you triggered a long lost memory. I distinctly recall as a

Ha, my hypnosis works via email as well! A-ma-zing!

>child identifying with Foster ('cause he had "my" name, of course).
>Hadn't thought about that in decades. Maybe I was under the influence of
>one of those amnesia drugs...

Well, Pam said she thought they didn't exist. But surely there are
well-defined circumstances in which people get amnesia. Too much alcohol
has that effect, maybe certain drugs do too, I wouldn't know. I mean the
kind of drugs that are illegal.
It would surprise me very much if some of the agencies I mentioned in my
first email (MI6, CIA, KGB, Mossad) never saw the benefits of making some
people forget certain things, surely they would have gotten some lab or
other to manufacture such a drug.
So I do think such a drug must exist.... of course, they may not tell us
about it :-)

Pam wrote:
"Triggering memories under hypnotism - we do know that has been done for
some time. But it would make a great story plotline to have someone's
memories brought back by a hypnotist (who was perhaps working on something
else with the person - such as planting a suggestion to quit smoking,
etc)! I like
that one very much! You should take that idea and write up a story!"

I once started writing a story about a woman who could cure *some* diseases
by just laying her hands on the patient (actually it was a combination of
acupressure and massage, worked great for bad backs :-), and the person
helping her was a hypnotist. I had problems keeping it all believable so I
abandoned it half way through.

What concerns a UFO2 - if they could make Jurassic Park, and make it look
quite realistic, why don't the people on this list who are into 3-D take
the UFO characters and make a UFO2? :-)

CU

Lieve



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Lieve à ecrit:

> What concerns a UFO2 - if they could make Jurassic Park, and make it
look
> quite realistic, why don't the people on this list who are into 3-D
take
> the UFO characters and make a UFO2? :-)

A few years ago when I was on this list for the first time I proposed
the same thing, I.E., UFO is do-able now via computer graphics.

Digital stuff performance has skyrocketed since then, so it would seem
to be even easier to produce the SFX now (maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the
most expensive bit of a TV/movie production the special effects?).

The content of the theme is certainly relevant: conspiracy, aliens,
personality conflicts, cool technology.

Just a few brain farts, don't take the PS's below as criticism,

Paul
Nova Scotia

PS Marc, is it possible to set up a list of interested UFO2 people on
your server? I would think that each entry would have to be uniquely
ID'd to avoid the perception of spamming the list with entries. Maybe
blogger.com is a solution.

PPS Why is the news page out of chronological order?

PPPS Atomz.com for a search function.

>Pam wrote:
>"Triggering memories under hypnotism - we do know that has been done for
>some time. But it would make a great story plotline to have someone's
>memories brought back by a hypnotist (who was perhaps working on something
>else with the person - such as planting a suggestion to quit smoking,
>etc)! I like
>that one very much! You should take that idea and write up a story!"

Ah, yes. On A Clear Day You Can See Forever starring Barbara Streisand and
Yves Montand. I thought it was a great idea for a movie. Go to a hypnotist
to quit smoking, and find out you lived a past life! Although the movie
wasn't that great...

-Kent
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>
>
> Lieve says:
> >I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely think
> >Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has
> >forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to
remember.
>
> Yeah, that was real tactful of him. Especially since he walked right up to
> her and said (something like) "Hi. I don't know you, but I'll bet you're
> some kind of geologist"...Real smooth! Nowadays she'd think he'd been
> stalking her...
>
Funny you should say that Kent I watched this Episode yesterday and the same
thought occured to me. To me it seem that Paul was making a big mistake and
putting complete security at risk!

Sheila

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Quite right about the Rohypnol - I'd quite forgotten about it. I watched a
TV current events program on A&E awhile back that talked about Rohypnol as
being a new "date rape" drug which was being used more and more often by
those with criminal intent - in fact they even interviewed two British women
who'd been victimized in this manner, as well as American victims, so it
seems to be widespread.

Pam

Amelia was able to identify Rohypnol as a possible amnesia drug - it's out
there being used right now for evil purposes (it's the new date rape drug I
hear) but what if SHADO tinkered with it to make it even more powerful? Now
that I think about this more, it just makes sense.

Pam

--- In [hidden email], Lieve <shado@g...> wrote:
>
> I once started writing a story about a woman who could cure *some*
diseases
> by just laying her hands on the patient (actually it was a
combination of
> acupressure and massage, worked great for bad backs :-)

REALLY?!
I need this woman! I need this woman! Where can I meet her? And
what's her name? Gay Ellis? {8-)) Yesssssssssss!!!!!!!!!
*Christian, dreaming with a big smile in his face*

CU C.

Pam said:

WOW Lieve - great questions!! Now this is why I joined this site!

<<<< Is that the only reason? <G>

Drugs - is there really such a thing as an amnesia drug? I rather doubt it.

<<<< Why? Judging by what we find out these days about the conspiracies and
cover-ups of the past I wouldn't be a bit surprised that such a drug is being
used right now by certain Government agencies. After all, they certainly
wouldn't advertise such a thing, would they?

.....Karen

Amelia said:
Karen,
As Straker says in Identified to Alec, take a look at this :

Creating amnesia remained a "big goal" for the ORD researcher, states an
ex-CIA man. Advances in brain surgery, such as the development of
three-dimensional, "stereotaxic" techniques, made psychosurgery a much
simpler matter and created the possibility that a precisely placed electrode
probe could be used to cut the link between past memory and present recall.
As for subjects to be used in behavioral experiments of this sort, the
ex-CIA
man states that ORD had access to prisoners in at least one American penal
institution. A former Army doctor stationed at the Edgewood chemical
laboratory states that the lab worked with CIA men todevelop a drug that
could be used to help program in new memories into the mind of an amnesic
subject. How far did the Agency take this research? I don't know.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks12.htm

Pretty scary stuff. I agree with you. Anything's possible.
Amelia

<<<< Amelia, I found you!!! You see, Marc suggested that maybe you and I
could correspond with each other about a certain...ahem....unmentionable
subject!! <G> Is it true that you have a list of your own dealing with this
subject? Maybe you'd be kind enough to write to me off list? Thanks!
<<<< Anyway, what you said about the amnesia thing... Wow! As you say,
pretty scary stuff. I do think the skies the limit these days, espceially
where drugs etc are concerned. When we only think about what the US and
German Governments have admitted to doing in the war, for instance. And we
never find out what's really happening until the things been patented and is
out on the market. Till then....? Anything goes!
But I haven't got the "Identified to Alec" episode... And the plot isn't in
my head. Not from the title. Too many years inbetween then, when I last saw
it, and now. Could you fill me in on the plot, pleeeeeease? Thanks a
zillion!!!

.....Karen

Whooo-eeee! If the CIA are working on this thing, obviously so would the
KGB, Mossad, et al. Much as I hate to say it, the only amnesia the RMCP are
capable of giving anyone is a rap to the noggin'!

Pam

Lieve wrote:

> It would surprise me very much if some of the agencies I mentioned in my
> first email (MI6, CIA, KGB, Mossad) never saw the benefits of making some
> people forget certain things, surely they would have gotten some lab or
> other to manufacture such a drug.
> So I do think such a drug must exist.... of course, they may not tell us
> about it :-)
>

Or else they've made us forget about it .. :)

I suspect that the agencies you mention use less subtle methods
to
make people forget things on occasion, in a most unfortunate and
final way.

While it's true that abuse of certain drugs can cause amnesia
(or so
I believe, I'm no expert, though actually I must admit that over
-indulgence in alcohol has made me forget most of the events of
an
entire evening once or twice) I shouldn't think there's a way to
chemically induce it to remove a particular time period's
memories
- I don't believe the way that memory works is sufficiently
understood.

James

lessons
> from Anne Stone in Sound of Silence that he was taking a risk.

oh gosh yes! I had forgotten that too! Perhaps some one has been slipping
the amnesia drug in my G&T<g> (looks accusingly at her close neighbour
Suzanne)

Apparently,
> however the drug is very powerful and effective. Flunitrazepam , or
Rohypnol,
> "roofies" is a insidious drug that causes amnesia when slipped into
alcohol.

The date rape drug?

> I wouldn't be surprised to find out some agency, for good or ill ,was
> developing, or already developed a drug like the Shado amnesia drug.

oh I would definitely think the department of dirty tricks got this one
sorted ages ago!

Sheila

Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!