Hi Guys,
For some strange reason I started wondering just what stuff they used to make the aliens' skins green. (I also wondered if the actors could get if off easily again) Another thing. Is there anyone here who knows about drugs? Alternatively, someone working for MI6 or the CIA or the Mossad or the KGB... OK, here's the question: Is there something like our amnesia drug in existence? (And was there in 1969?) If so, how does it work? One dose = one week gone, 4 doses = 4 weeks gone, or is it unreliable? (Of course, it also would depend on the weight of the person and probably a few other factors). I also wonder whether, if such a drug exists, the memories wouldn't return at some point? Perhaps if triggered by a certain event (the witness watching another UFO land for instance). Could a hypnotist still retrieve said memories? I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely think Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to remember. CU Lieve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lieve Peten, Vlaanderen, Belgium : Mailto:[hidden email] * Internet Sites link page: http://pinball.iwarp.com/mysites.html * The Pinball Site * Loch Ness + UFOs in Belgium * Vangelis * * Nikita * UFO TV-series * Animated Gifs * Andrea Bocelli * |
Lieve says: >I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely think >Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has >forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to remember. Yeah, that was real tactful of him. Especially since he walked right up to her and said (something like) "Hi. I don't know you, but I'll bet you're some kind of geologist"...Real smooth! Nowadays she'd think he'd been stalking her... -Kent _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. |
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[snippage] > I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely think > Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has > forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to remember. Wow, Lieve, you triggered a long lost memory. I distinctly recall as a child identifying with Foster ('cause he had "my" name, of course). Hadn't thought about that in decades. Maybe I was under the influence of one of those amnesia drugs... Where do we sign up to the UFO2 -or would that be UFO3?- support page. In addition to emailing people that could make it happen, why not create a list of people that want to see it happen? Paul Montreal |
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WOW Lieve - great questions!! Now this is why I joined this site!
Gee - where does one start considering? Well, in response to the green stuff used to color the "alien" actors' skin, I do know that a special green make-up was used on Susan Oliver for the Star Trek pilot with Jeffrey Hunter back in the early 1960's. From everything I've read, it was applied as a cream and could be easily washed off - see "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen E. Whitfield if possible on this. Some similar make-up may have been used by the UFO production people too. Drugs - is there really such a thing as an amnesia drug? I rather doubt it. But, the UFO writers likely created the idea the same way other writers create things - for plot devices. It's better than just killing off everyone who saw something they shouldn't have, right? However, I bet Straker & Company would kill if they thought it was necessary to protect SHADO's security..... Triggering memories under hypnotism - we do know that has been done for some time. But it would make a great story plotline to have someone's memories brought back by a hypnotist (who was perhaps working on something else with the person - such as planting a suggestion to quit smoking, etc)! I like that one very much! You should take that idea and write up a story! Far out! Pam |
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>Wow, Lieve, you triggered a long lost memory. I distinctly recall as a Ha, my hypnosis works via email as well! A-ma-zing! >child identifying with Foster ('cause he had "my" name, of course). >Hadn't thought about that in decades. Maybe I was under the influence of >one of those amnesia drugs... Well, Pam said she thought they didn't exist. But surely there are well-defined circumstances in which people get amnesia. Too much alcohol has that effect, maybe certain drugs do too, I wouldn't know. I mean the kind of drugs that are illegal. It would surprise me very much if some of the agencies I mentioned in my first email (MI6, CIA, KGB, Mossad) never saw the benefits of making some people forget certain things, surely they would have gotten some lab or other to manufacture such a drug. So I do think such a drug must exist.... of course, they may not tell us about it :-) Pam wrote: "Triggering memories under hypnotism - we do know that has been done for some time. But it would make a great story plotline to have someone's memories brought back by a hypnotist (who was perhaps working on something else with the person - such as planting a suggestion to quit smoking, etc)! I like that one very much! You should take that idea and write up a story!" I once started writing a story about a woman who could cure *some* diseases by just laying her hands on the patient (actually it was a combination of acupressure and massage, worked great for bad backs :-), and the person helping her was a hypnotist. I had problems keeping it all believable so I abandoned it half way through. What concerns a UFO2 - if they could make Jurassic Park, and make it look quite realistic, why don't the people on this list who are into 3-D take the UFO characters and make a UFO2? :-) CU Lieve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lieve Peten, Vlaanderen, Belgium : Mailto:[hidden email] * Internet Sites link page: http://pinball.iwarp.com/mysites.html * The Pinball Site * Loch Ness + UFOs in Belgium * Vangelis * * Nikita * UFO TV-series * Animated Gifs * Andrea Bocelli * |
Lieve à ecrit:
> What concerns a UFO2 - if they could make Jurassic Park, and make it look > quite realistic, why don't the people on this list who are into 3-D take > the UFO characters and make a UFO2? :-) A few years ago when I was on this list for the first time I proposed the same thing, I.E., UFO is do-able now via computer graphics. Digital stuff performance has skyrocketed since then, so it would seem to be even easier to produce the SFX now (maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the most expensive bit of a TV/movie production the special effects?). The content of the theme is certainly relevant: conspiracy, aliens, personality conflicts, cool technology. Just a few brain farts, don't take the PS's below as criticism, Paul Nova Scotia PS Marc, is it possible to set up a list of interested UFO2 people on your server? I would think that each entry would have to be uniquely ID'd to avoid the perception of spamming the list with entries. Maybe blogger.com is a solution. PPS Why is the news page out of chronological order? PPPS Atomz.com for a search function. |
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>Pam wrote: >"Triggering memories under hypnotism - we do know that has been done for >some time. But it would make a great story plotline to have someone's >memories brought back by a hypnotist (who was perhaps working on something >else with the person - such as planting a suggestion to quit smoking, >etc)! I like >that one very much! You should take that idea and write up a story!" Ah, yes. On A Clear Day You Can See Forever starring Barbara Streisand and Yves Montand. I thought it was a great idea for a movie. Go to a hypnotist to quit smoking, and find out you lived a past life! Although the movie wasn't that great... -Kent _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. |
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> > > Lieve says: > >I was always a bit wary of the amnesia drug method and I definitely think > >Paul Foster shouldn't try to get re-acquainted with a girl who has > >forgotten she ever met him, since that would likely cause her to remember. > > Yeah, that was real tactful of him. Especially since he walked right up to > her and said (something like) "Hi. I don't know you, but I'll bet you're > some kind of geologist"...Real smooth! Nowadays she'd think he'd been > stalking her... > Funny you should say that Kent I watched this Episode yesterday and the same thought occured to me. To me it seem that Paul was making a big mistake and putting complete security at risk! Sheila Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy! |
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Quite right about the Rohypnol - I'd quite forgotten about it. I watched a
TV current events program on A&E awhile back that talked about Rohypnol as being a new "date rape" drug which was being used more and more often by those with criminal intent - in fact they even interviewed two British women who'd been victimized in this manner, as well as American victims, so it seems to be widespread. Pam > > I even thought that when Paul returned to get horse riding lessons >from Anne Stone in Sound of Silence that he was taking a risk. Apparently, >however the drug is very powerful and effective. Flunitrazepam , or Rohypnol, >"roofies" is a insidious drug that causes amnesia when slipped into alcohol. > I wouldn't be surprised to find out some agency, for good or ill ,was >developing, or already developed a drug like the Shado amnesia drug. > >Amelia > > > > |
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Amelia was able to identify Rohypnol as a possible amnesia drug - it's out
there being used right now for evil purposes (it's the new date rape drug I hear) but what if SHADO tinkered with it to make it even more powerful? Now that I think about this more, it just makes sense. Pam |
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--- In [hidden email], Lieve <shado@g...> wrote:
> > I once started writing a story about a woman who could cure *some* diseases > by just laying her hands on the patient (actually it was a combination of > acupressure and massage, worked great for bad backs :-) REALLY?! I need this woman! I need this woman! Where can I meet her? And what's her name? Gay Ellis? {8-)) Yesssssssssss!!!!!!!!! *Christian, dreaming with a big smile in his face* CU C. |
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Pam said:
WOW Lieve - great questions!! Now this is why I joined this site! <<<< Is that the only reason? <G> Drugs - is there really such a thing as an amnesia drug? I rather doubt it. <<<< Why? Judging by what we find out these days about the conspiracies and cover-ups of the past I wouldn't be a bit surprised that such a drug is being used right now by certain Government agencies. After all, they certainly wouldn't advertise such a thing, would they? .....Karen |
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Amelia said:
Karen, As Straker says in Identified to Alec, take a look at this : Creating amnesia remained a "big goal" for the ORD researcher, states an ex-CIA man. Advances in brain surgery, such as the development of three-dimensional, "stereotaxic" techniques, made psychosurgery a much simpler matter and created the possibility that a precisely placed electrode probe could be used to cut the link between past memory and present recall. As for subjects to be used in behavioral experiments of this sort, the ex-CIA man states that ORD had access to prisoners in at least one American penal institution. A former Army doctor stationed at the Edgewood chemical laboratory states that the lab worked with CIA men todevelop a drug that could be used to help program in new memories into the mind of an amnesic subject. How far did the Agency take this research? I don't know. http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks12.htm Pretty scary stuff. I agree with you. Anything's possible. Amelia <<<< Amelia, I found you!!! You see, Marc suggested that maybe you and I could correspond with each other about a certain...ahem....unmentionable subject!! <G> Is it true that you have a list of your own dealing with this subject? Maybe you'd be kind enough to write to me off list? Thanks! <<<< Anyway, what you said about the amnesia thing... Wow! As you say, pretty scary stuff. I do think the skies the limit these days, espceially where drugs etc are concerned. When we only think about what the US and German Governments have admitted to doing in the war, for instance. And we never find out what's really happening until the things been patented and is out on the market. Till then....? Anything goes! But I haven't got the "Identified to Alec" episode... And the plot isn't in my head. Not from the title. Too many years inbetween then, when I last saw it, and now. Could you fill me in on the plot, pleeeeeease? Thanks a zillion!!! .....Karen |
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Whooo-eeee! If the CIA are working on this thing, obviously so would the
KGB, Mossad, et al. Much as I hate to say it, the only amnesia the RMCP are capable of giving anyone is a rap to the noggin'! Pam |
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Lieve wrote:
> It would surprise me very much if some of the agencies I mentioned in my > first email (MI6, CIA, KGB, Mossad) never saw the benefits of making some > people forget certain things, surely they would have gotten some lab or > other to manufacture such a drug. > So I do think such a drug must exist.... of course, they may not tell us > about it :-) > Or else they've made us forget about it .. :) I suspect that the agencies you mention use less subtle methods to make people forget things on occasion, in a most unfortunate and final way. While it's true that abuse of certain drugs can cause amnesia (or so I believe, I'm no expert, though actually I must admit that over -indulgence in alcohol has made me forget most of the events of an entire evening once or twice) I shouldn't think there's a way to chemically induce it to remove a particular time period's memories - I don't believe the way that memory works is sufficiently understood. James |
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> In a message dated 11/16/00 8:39:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > << To me it seem that Paul was making a big mistake and > putting complete security at risk! > > Sheila >> > > > I even thought that when Paul returned to get horse riding > from Anne Stone in Sound of Silence that he was taking a risk. oh gosh yes! I had forgotten that too! Perhaps some one has been slipping the amnesia drug in my G&T<g> (looks accusingly at her close neighbour Suzanne) Apparently, > however the drug is very powerful and effective. Flunitrazepam , or Rohypnol, > "roofies" is a insidious drug that causes amnesia when slipped into alcohol. The date rape drug? > I wouldn't be surprised to find out some agency, for good or ill ,was > developing, or already developed a drug like the Shado amnesia drug. oh I would definitely think the department of dirty tricks got this one sorted ages ago! Sheila Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy! |
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