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>Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:43 -0400
> From: [hidden email]
>Subject: Italian Dealers?
>
>Anyone ever had any dealings with a guy named "Massimo" in Milan, Italy?
>His ebay name is "Grandenagus".


We had a discussion about Mr grand Nagus over on Online Alpha. My advice,
especially if he doesn't deliver the goods (Bootleged or not) is file a
complaint with EBAY and super neg him in the feedback if this doesn't get
resolved in the next 2 weeks.

As for other Italian dealers on EBAY my best dealings have been with fellow
SHADO member [hidden email] known to us as Angelo. Always quick
shipping and good emails. I've never had a problem with him and I have had
mail trouble sending money and things to Italy in the past (This was always
a Post Office problem, not a seller problem)

Now onto Anthony's review of Identified!

I love all that stuff in Identified. For every ass shot on the episode
there had to be some real plotting and planning and camera placement. The
whole situation of them filming these....behinds is very amusing to
me. Being that Alex isn't the best looking guy on the show he seems more
of the dirty old man type. Meaning, he's kidding around but (Theres that
word again!) is never going to get anywhere. The UFO 1999 (No I don't know
if the tape is available) parody did this up as an excellent spoof and
that's all I can think of when Freeman hits on Lake in the SST.

Of course this is the sort of thing that gets people fired from their jobs
today, (Rightly so I might add) but watching it in Identified and being a
fan of the series my mind takes it as a celebration of being human and
being alive. If you buy the premise of the show these people are under
tremendous pressure to fight off the aliens (And to retain the format, the
fight always comes to a draw, we're never winning and neither are the
aliens!) and their down time hijinks have more to do with keeping from
cracking up under the pressure than it does with how we perceive the show
today. IMO btw.

>Also -- would a female head of Moonbase REALLY stop to put on lipstick moments
>before going into action? Talk about stereotypes!! And what's up with the
>endless phone use in this episode? The smoking on SkyOne was silly (why would
>you smoke on a sub???) -- don't recall if they smoked on Moonbase, but I have
>the feeling they will be someday. :)

The smoking on the sub and on the moon is really crazy though, because it
uses up the resources they have to keep the air clean and breathable. But
Gerry Anderson & Co were all heavy chain smokers at the time and smoking in
the 1960's and early 1970's didn't carry the social stigma that it carries
today.

My parents were heavy chain smokers and I never touched the stuff. But I
did get tons of it in my lungs secondhand until I moved out after 22 years
with them. I wouldn't be surprised if i got lung cancer myself after all
that exposure.

But your right, realistically there is no excuse and no reason for the
smoking. The Gemini and Apollo astronauts didn't smoke in space and
Century 21 knew this and either didn't care or ignored it.

>My one big "ugh" factor is the crux of the episode -- at the end, we find
>human organs in the captured alien. They must be abducting humans for our
>organs! OH MY GAWD! Well, it's fairly stupid for several reasons:

I give this one to Gerry & Co because these are aliens that can travel at
FTL speeds and have a certain level of tech. That they can do this with
our organs fits into their powers for this series.

>3) they use bullets (or what appear to be bullets) to kill humans -- aren't
>they afraid that they will ruin a perfectly good heart/liver/intestine, etc.
>with one of those bullets?

I like the idea of bullets, or whatever projectile is in their
rifles. (They can use these on the moon too! maybe it's a sort of rocket
type propellent bullet) I think it's cheaper to produce bullets than to
have some sort of beam weapon. The beam needs a big power source and the
UFO's have A LOT of power. Their fragile in other ways though. As for
ruining all the organs, there are billions of people on earth, if they
shoot a dozen to get one good donor it really doesn't interfere with the
supply.

I also thought about the PPG guns in Babylon 5. These weapons were thought
out because you couldn't have a projectile weapon on the Space Station, it
would cause hull breaches! So the PPG's (Phased Plasma Guns) fire off a
super hot bundle of plasma that must REALLY hurt when it hits you!

>Launch Interceptors!
>Anthony

Don't forget the coolest thing about the episode, Barry Gray's score! One
of the best theme songs of any Gerry Anderson series, in my mind right up
there with Space 1999 Year One theme and the Secret Service theme. The
variations used on this theme are also quite interesting. The Interceptors
launch music with it's Morse code like introduction, The skydiver launch
music, the reflective slow theme (Usually done on a flute) and the swift
exciting music as Ed is thrown from the Rolls Royce in the opening
scene. Without that, UFO, for me would have been a lesser show. I've
never forgotten the music, even when I had only seen one or two episodes as
a child. Space 1999 comes close but I think Barry really gave us his best
with UFO. (Again I'm deciding between two goods here)

The Zero X theme comes to mind too as a great piece.


Anthony, are you coming to NYC to see Gerry Anderson at the Virgin
Megastore? Anyone else on the list going? I'll be there, I got permission
to go ; - ) (Talk about sexism!) and would love to hook up with people
from this list and the Online Alpha list!

Hi Phil and thanks for positive feedback

--
Angelo Finamore
--

> >Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:24:43 -0400
> > From: highcotton51@m...
> >Subject: Italian Dealers?
> >
> >Anyone ever had any dealings with a guy named "Massimo" in Milan,
Italy?
> >His ebay name is "Grandenagus".
>
>
> We had a discussion about Mr grand Nagus over on Online Alpha. My
advice,
> especially if he doesn't deliver the goods (Bootleged or not) is
file a
> complaint with EBAY and super neg him in the feedback if this
doesn't get
> resolved in the next 2 weeks.
>
> As for other Italian dealers on EBAY my best dealings have been
with fellow
> SHADO member finamore@s... known to us as Angelo. Always quick
> shipping and good emails. I've never had a problem with him and I
have had
> mail trouble sending money and things to Italy in the past (This
was always this first
> >UFO episode. They were probably trying to be more adult [than the
puppet
> >series] and attract an older male audience [than the puppet
series], but I
> >could do without blatant ass-shots throughout the episode. Alex
Freeman is a
> >bit more of a lech than "swinger" - I could have done without all
his hitting
> >on women. Really, Alex, you're NOT "all that"!
>
> I love all that stuff in Identified. For every ass shot on the
episode
> there had to be some real plotting and planning and camera
placement. The
> whole situation of them filming these....behinds is very amusing to
> me. Being that Alex isn't the best looking guy on the show he
seems more
> of the dirty old man type. Meaning, he's kidding around but
(Theres that
> word again!) is never going to get anywhere. The UFO 1999 (No I
don't know
> if the tape is available) parody did this up as an excellent spoof
and
> that's all I can think of when Freeman hits on Lake in the SST.
>
> Of course this is the sort of thing that gets people fired from
their jobs
> today, (Rightly so I might add) but watching it in Identified and
being a
> fan of the series my mind takes it as a celebration of being human
and
> being alive. If you buy the premise of the show these people are
under
> tremendous pressure to fight off the aliens (And to retain the
format, the
> fight always comes to a draw, we're never winning and neither are
the
> aliens!) and their down time hijinks have more to do with keeping
from
> cracking up under the pressure than it does with how we perceive
the show
> today. IMO btw.
>
> >Also -- would a female head of Moonbase REALLY stop to put on
lipstick moments
> >before going into action? Talk about stereotypes!! And what's up
with the
> >endless phone use in this episode? The smoking on SkyOne was silly
(why would
> >you smoke on a sub???) -- don't recall if they smoked on Moonbase,
but I have
> >the feeling they will be someday. :)
>
> The smoking on the sub and on the moon is really crazy though,
because it
> uses up the resources they have to keep the air clean and
breathable. But
> Gerry Anderson & Co were all heavy chain smokers at the time and
smoking in
> the 1960's and early 1970's didn't carry the social stigma that it
carries
> today.
>
> My parents were heavy chain smokers and I never touched the stuff.
But I
> did get tons of it in my lungs secondhand until I moved out after
22 years
> with them. I wouldn't be surprised if i got lung cancer myself
after all
> that exposure.
>
> But your right, realistically there is no excuse and no reason for
the
> smoking. The Gemini and Apollo astronauts didn't smoke in space
and
> Century 21 knew this and either didn't care or ignored it.
>
> >My one big "ugh" factor is the crux of the episode -- at the end,
we find
> >human organs in the captured alien. They must be abducting humans
for our
> >organs! OH MY GAWD! Well, it's fairly stupid for several reasons:
>
> I give this one to Gerry & Co because these are aliens that can
travel at
> FTL speeds and have a certain level of tech. That they can do this
with
> our organs fits into their powers for this series.
>
> >3) they use bullets (or what appear to be bullets) to kill humans -
- aren't
> >they afraid that they will ruin a perfectly good
heart/liver/intestine, etc.
> >with one of those bullets?
>
> I like the idea of bullets, or whatever projectile is in their
> rifles. (They can use these on the moon too! maybe it's a sort of
rocket
> type propellent bullet) I think it's cheaper to produce bullets
than to
> have some sort of beam weapon. The beam needs a big power source
and the
> UFO's have A LOT of power. Their fragile in other ways though. As
for
> ruining all the organs, there are billions of people on earth, if
they
> shoot a dozen to get one good donor it really doesn't interfere
with the
> supply.
>
> I also thought about the PPG guns in Babylon 5. These weapons were
thought
> out because you couldn't have a projectile weapon on the Space
Station, it
> would cause hull breaches! So the PPG's (Phased Plasma Guns) fire
off a
> super hot bundle of plasma that must REALLY hurt when it hits you!
>
> >Launch Interceptors!
> >Anthony
>
> Don't forget the coolest thing about the episode, Barry Gray's
score! One
> of the best theme songs of any Gerry Anderson series, in my mind
right up
> there with Space 1999 Year One theme and the Secret Service theme.
The
> variations used on this theme are also quite interesting. The
Interceptors
> launch music with it's Morse code like introduction, The skydiver
launch
> music, the reflective slow theme (Usually done on a flute) and the
swift
> exciting music as Ed is thrown from the Rolls Royce in the opening
> scene. Without that, UFO, for me would have been a lesser show.
I've
> never forgotten the music, even when I had only seen one or two
episodes as
> a child. Space 1999 comes close but I think Barry really gave us
his best
> with UFO. (Again I'm deciding between two goods here)
>
> The Zero X theme comes to mind too as a great piece.
>
>
> Anthony, are you coming to NYC to see Gerry Anderson at the Virgin
> Megastore? Anyone else on the list going? I'll be there, I got
permission
> to go ; - ) (Talk about sexism!) and would love to hook up with
people
> from this list and the Online Alpha list!

Phil Merkel wrote:

Yes, Angelo's a sweety - hi, Angelo!! <waving>


Stefano Chiti-Batelli wrote:

> Dear "AT",
>
> being italian (half german), your message did not please me - meaning that
> I was not pleased to hear that, apparently, an italian is "mistreating" you
> (to use an euphemysm).

Oh, well, I'm sure no one is under the impression that this Grande Nagus
is in any way a representation of all Italians - I mean, after all, the
Italian fans have been immensely active in UFO fandom for ever! Besides,
this person is obviously a Ferengi, so what do you expect? (And the REAL
me is of Italian descent too, so <ahem> no one would dare dis the
Italians with me and my flamer around).



Marc, why would the seller write to you to let you know he/she was
selling printouts of your scripts? Isn't Massimo a male name? (It ends
with 'o' - female names generally end in 'a' ...)

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Yuchtar is right the name or should we say alias of Grande Nagas is Ferengi.
It is a Italian spelling of Grand Nagas which in the Star Trek cannon is the
Head Ferengi, the one who gets on top by out selling and cheating their way
to the top?
The person using this name has a large listing of stuff under that
name online. But you sort of have to wonder about a person who uses the name
of a unprincipal character from fiction as the name of their bussiness.
Guess it sounded better than Greed Inc.

James K.


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>Marc, why would the seller write to you to let you know he/she was
>selling printouts of your scripts?

I misread the seller's e-mail initially, because the English was
poor (better than my Italian, however!). Re-reading it, the seller
was apologizing to me after he learned that they were printouts
from my website. He said he bought these from a woman in Milano,
not knowing that they were printouts from my website. He has
now told the woman that he will not buy any more of these UFO
scripts from her.

Marc

OH! Okay. Yeah, My Italian is no good anymore either. The university I
went to didn't off Italian, so I studied German. Now, if I try to say
anything in either language, it comes out a conglomeration of both! <sad
sigh>

Marc Martin wrote:


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