my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Hi, Taras,

Monday, February 8, 2010, 5:58:03 AM, you wrote:

T> Hi guys
T> I'm not sure if these names have been brought up yet but
T> how bout John Simm as Straker there's a fairly strong
T> resemblance.

I've only seen him as The Master in Doctor Who, but, based
on that, I'd vote no. He seems too soft and doughy to be
Straker. He can be mesmerizing, but never "piercing."

T> Phil Glenister as Alec

Only seen him with his dodgy American accent in "Demons."
Not impressed there, but the accent is most of the problem.

T> And Michelle Ryan as lt Ellis?

This I like!

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Okay. If I get a vote, I really like the looks of Rupert (although I haven't seen him in anything.) He exudes intense -- which is cool. Also Viggo,although that's a sentimental vote, because I loved his Aragorn. He'd be a bit too angsty for Straker (if that's possible.)
But Damian Lewis doesn't look promising. Sorry, James.
Yours,
Denise  

--- In [hidden email], Louise Oatridge <louise.oatridge@...> wrote:
I always fancied Vigo Mortinsen as Straker

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:10:33 -0700
MARY VERES <veres_mary@msn. com> wrote:
I've been thinking that Rupert Penry-Jones would make a good
Straker....

--- On Mon, 8/2/10, James Gibbon <jg@...> wrote:
Damian Lewis wouldn't be bad. Can do an American accent as well,
if necessary.

See thats what I'm talking about--when you start changing the color and genders of the characters of the show,it tends to ruin the memory of the show(my personal opinion).Its exactly like how Battlestar Galactica and making Boomer a female and White,Starbuck a female,Adama Puerto Rican. I mentioned this before when I asked Mark a couple of years ago about that particular topic(changing the genders of the characters).Ed Straker shouldnt be an old man-I believe he should be in his forties and carry on the blond hair tradition that has amazed me as well as Strakers cool demeanor! And that goes for all the other characters that were on the show--I would want people who play the UFO characters to eminate the identical aura as the original cast. And thats NOT taking anything away from the people that UFO fans feel should reprise the roles.I value seeing who would have the picks of the characters that I would like to see or choose.We all have our opinions and I'm honored to be in this group to see the many fans that have kept this iconic show alive! By the way--I'm black and not biased against color or gender for the record-just not for re-makes of original shows or movies.Some things youjust cant do like that;for example: Orphan Annie has freakles and Red hair--you cant have a little black girl come in and reprise that role to where its believable.Thats because we all know that Annie had Red Hair and Freakles and was a little white girl.


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Paul,
Yes, Poitier would be awesome! And he still looks trim and fit at 83, whichnot many can claim. I'd vote for him as Straker! And probably fall in lovewith him too!! (I remember being shocked at how easy it was to fall in love with an older Connery in Medicine Man!)
Yours,
Denise

--- In [hidden email], Paul Bowers <pbowers@...> wrote:
> I vote for Sidney Poitier, myself. I don't know if he'd be willing to
> work on such a project, but, hey, it'd be really cool if he did.
>
> Paul




     
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Anthony,
I quite agree. I have always hated remakes. They never seem to get what made the original a hit needed to STAY a part of the show! That said, I so totally enjoyed the remake of Star Trek that I'm hopeful that UFO will havea similar miracle. I know some ST fans hated the remake, but I'm a diehard fan myself and I laughed and laughed! Gene would have loved it. So it could happen again -- for UFO this time. We'll all find out one way or the other anyway, won't we? In just about a year's time.
Yours,
Denise

--- In [hidden email], Anthony Smith <belmarbadboy@...> wrote:
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>
> See thats what I'm talking about--when you start changing the color and genders of the characters of the show,it tends to ruin the memory of the show(my personal opinion). By the way--I'm black and not biased against color or gender for the record-just not for re-makes of original shows or movies.Some things you just cant do like that.

I don't know if Gene would have liked it all. Spock scoring with Uhura?? He liked her for himself :) They dated if you didn't know, Gene and Nichele.

Bruce
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Anthony,
I quite agree. I have always hated remakes. They never seem to get what made the original a hit needed to STAY a part of the show! That said, I so totally enjoyed the remake of Star Trek that I'm hopeful that UFO will have a similar miracle. I know some ST fans hated the remake, but I'm a diehard fan myself and I laughed and laughed! Gene would have loved it. So it could happen again -- for UFO this time. We'll all find out one way or the other anyway, won't we? In just about a year's time.
Yours,
Denise

--- In [hidden email], Anthony Smith <belmarbadboy@...> wrote:
>
>
> See thats what I'm talking about--when you start changing the color and genders of the characters of the show,it tends to ruin the memory of the show(my personal opinion). By the way--I'm black and not biased against color or gender for the record-just not for re-makes of original shows or movies.Some things you just cant do like that.






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I think I have said it before but it still hold true and that is if its notbroke don't fix it. If as they say the love the original UFO there is noneed to put a new spin on a character by making them a different Ethnic group or different hair color or age or what ever. Since they are going to set this about ten years in the future which is the same amount of time thatthe original UFO was set ahead they can play around with the Tech and vehicle and craft designs and set designs and even costuming to a certain degree. But when they start making any changes to the characters it stops beingUFO.
Oh, Denise, love the sight and stories.
James K.




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I don't know if Gene would have liked it all. Spock scoring with Uhura?? He liked her for himself :) They dated if you didn't know, Gene and Nichele.

Bruce
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Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Anthony,
I quite agree. I have always hated remakes. They never seem to get what made the original a hit needed to STAY a part of the show! That said, I so totally enjoyed the remake of Star Trek that I'm hopeful that UFO will have a similar miracle. I know some ST fans hated the remake, but I'm a diehard fan myself and I laughed and laughed! Gene would have loved it. So it could happen again -- for UFO this time. We'll all find out one way or the other anyway, won't we? In just about a year's time.
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, Anthony Smith <belmarbadboy@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> See thats what I'm talking about--when you start changing the color and genders of the characters of the show,it tends to ruin the memory of the show(my personal opinion). By the way--I'm black and not biased against color or gender for the record-just not for re-makes of original shows or movies.Some things you just cant do like that.

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Wouldn't Richard Widmark have made a great Straker.......
I could see Michael Douglas as Henderson (gone to seed!) - NO ! Even better! Gordon Brown!!!!

but I haven't a clue who could play Freeman.
Any suggestions?



--- In [hidden email], "Neesierie" <neesierie@...> wrote:

 
I my self is somewhat unhappy with the movie ST because they complety  
change the time "again" It was ok but that leaves a lot of questions. Like
what happen to the Klingons? What will it do to the relations with the
Romulans since the Klingons were needed to cover there backs latter on. and of
course DS 9 battle.
 
They might change the time line or the content of the movie (SHADO).
Dave
 
In a message dated 2/10/2010 9:53:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
I don't know if Gene would have liked it all. Spock scoring with Uhura?? He
liked her for himself :) They dated if you didn't know, Gene and Nichele.

Bruce
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To: _SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Anthony,
I quite agree. I have always hated remakes. They never seem to get what
made the original a hit needed to STAY a part of the show! That said, I so
totally enjoyed the remake of Star Trek that I'm hopeful that UFO will have a
similar miracle. I know some ST fans hated the remake, but I'm a diehard
fan myself and I laughed and laughed! Gene would have loved it. So it could
happen again -- for UFO this time. We'll all find out one way or the other
anyway, won't we? In just about a year's time.
Yours,
Denise

--- In _SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Anthony  
Smith <belmarbadboy@bel> wrote:
>
>
> See thats what I'm talking about--when you start changing the color and
genders of the characters of the show,it tends to ruin the memory of the
show(my personal opinion). By the way--I'm black and not biased against color
or gender for the record-just not for re-makes of original shows or
movies.Some things you just cant do like that.

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:14:14 -0800 (PST)
Billy Killian <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think I have said it before but it still hold true and
> that is if its not broke don't fix it.

But it is broken, in the sense that the actors, writers
and directors from the original series are dead, or too
old. Also in the sense that the original series wouldn't
work too well as a 2010 feature film.

So it has to be not merely fixed, but remade from scratch.

I disagree with the comment someone made that the new
characters should emanate the same aura as the old ones.
I don't think it's really possible. Straker's aura came
from the expression on Ed Bishop's face, his mannerisms,
the tone of his voice and so on, and whoever plays him
in a new film will have his own aura.

Pierce Brosnan said once that you have to play James Bond
as the man you are, which is why he didn't have the same
aura as Timothy Dalton, who in turn didn't have the same
aura as Roger Moore, and so on. If he had tried to play
it like Connery or Moore, he'd have been a poor
second-best imitation. The same surely applies to the new
UFO cast.

James

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:04:45 -0000
"Lightcudder" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> but I haven't a clue who could play Freeman.
> Any suggestions?
>

Max Beesley. Or Russell Crowe.

:D

You go, James! Couldn't have said it better myself!
Denise

> So it has to be not merely fixed, but remade from scratch.
> I disagree with the comment someone made that the new
> characters should emanate the same aura as the old ones.
> I don't think it's really possible. Straker's aura came
> from the expression on Ed Bishop's face, his mannerisms,
> the tone of his voice and so on, and whoever plays him
> in a new film will have his own aura.
> James
>

James,
Wouldn't Russell be FUN?!?!!!! Thanks for the image that conjures -- Russell Crowe with that ornery Alec grin!
Yours,
Denise

--- In [hidden email], James Gibbon <jg@...> wrote:

Hi, James!  
Good to hear from you! I agree that making a politically correct movie by changing a character to add an ethnic group for commercial impact would hurt the show. And would be a dumb idea. Like Star Trek that came out about the same time, UFO already believed that all races should be involved in anyouter space endeavor, so it should be unnecessary to introduce a new ethnic group. They're pretty much already represented.  
I'm so glad that you are enjoying the UFO site! It's been a dream of mine for a while. So, which stories have you been reading? The new Shakespeareones? I'd love to have your feedback on that series. You so often see what others miss.
Take care!
Denise  

--- In [hidden email], Billy Killian <sumitonjd@...> wrote:
If as they say the love the original UFO there is no need to put a new spin on a character by making them a different Ethnic group or different hair color or age or what ever. But when they start making any changes to the characters it stops being UFO.
> Oh, Denise, love the sight and stories.
> James K.

Maybe they'll make Straker an alien...adding THAT ethnic group.

What? OW! Stop hitting!

John

On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Neesierie wrote:



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There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.

Bruce
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Hi, James!
Good to hear from you! I agree that making a politically correct movie by changing a character to add an ethnic group for commercial impact would hurt the show. And would be a dumb idea. Like Star Trek that came out about the same time, UFO already believed that all races should be involved in any outer space endeavor, so it should be unnecessary to introduce a new ethnic group. They're pretty much already represented.
I'm so glad that you are enjoying the UFO site! It's been a dream of mine for a while. So, which stories have you been reading? The new Shakespeare ones? I'd love to have your feedback on that series. You so often see what others miss.
Take care!
Denise

--- In [hidden email], Billy Killian <sumitonjd@...> wrote:
If as they say the love the original UFO there is no need to put a new spin on a character by making them a different Ethnic group or different hair color or age or what ever. But when they start making any changes to the characters it stops being UFO.
> Oh, Denise, love the sight and stories.
> James K.






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The best time line question I had, had to do with Klingons, how they looked. In the original series, they just had dark make up to make them selves look different. Then in the motion picture, they had the ridges on the forehead. Even the same actors who stared in the original series, brought back on Deep Space 9, had the ridges.

How many people leaned into the TV, when DS9 did a special about time travel back to the Enterprise during the trouble with tribbles episode? When they looked at Worf and question him, those are klingons? :) and gave a questioning look? :)

Bruce
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I my self is somewhat unhappy with the movie ST because they complety
change the time "again" It was ok but that leaves a lot of questions. Like
what happen to the Klingons? What will it do to the relations with the
Romulans since the Klingons were needed to cover there backs latter on. and of
course DS 9 battle.

They might change the time line or the content of the movie (SHADO).
Dave

In a message dated 2/10/2010 9:53:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I don't know if Gene would have liked it all. Spock scoring with Uhura?? He
liked her for himself :) They dated if you didn't know, Gene and Nichele.

Bruce
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From: Neesierie
To: _SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Anthony,
I quite agree. I have always hated remakes. They never seem to get what
made the original a hit needed to STAY a part of the show! That said, I so
totally enjoyed the remake of Star Trek that I'm hopeful that UFO will have a
similar miracle. I know some ST fans hated the remake, but I'm a diehard
fan myself and I laughed and laughed! Gene would have loved it. So it could
happen again -- for UFO this time. We'll all find out one way or the other
anyway, won't we? In just about a year's time.
Yours,
Denise

--- In _SHADO@yahoogroups.SHA_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Anthony
Smith <belmarbadboy@bel> wrote:
>
>
> See thats what I'm talking about--when you start changing the color and
genders of the characters of the show,it tends to ruin the memory of the
show(my personal opinion). By the way--I'm black and not biased against color
or gender for the record-just not for re-makes of original shows or
movies.Some things you just cant do like that.

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John,
That wouldn't be me hitting you. I already made Straker an alien in my Conover Saga. It was fun!
Denise

--- In [hidden email], "John R. Ellis" <twonky@...> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe they'll make Straker an alien...adding THAT ethnic group.
>
> What? OW! Stop hitting!
>
> John

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode ina long time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:
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> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

Yup, that's it.  : )

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From: Neesierie <[hidden email]>
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To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:35 PM


 



Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in along time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce








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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:48:28 -0500
"Bruce Sherman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to
> Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I
> never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.


Yes, I think it's in Survival, when Straker offers Mark Bradley the
Moonbase commander job after Paul Foster is missing presumed dead.
Straker says that racism burned itself out in the '70s, or words to
that effect. Would have been nice.

UFO touches on racism a couple of times. In one of the episodes,
Computer Affair I think, the psychoanalyst examining Bradley casually
comments "I've no liking for you blacks". Bradley doesn't bat an
eyelid, assuming correctly that the shrink is merely trying to get a
reaction from him.

James