my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.


That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.


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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...



Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in a long time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce





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Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield").



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davrecon <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

 

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in along time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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I think there's probably more sexism than racism in "UFO", but I reckon some people would disagree with me. I expect that this subject has been covered previously, but I haven't been on the forum very long.

BRIAN



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Brian Serridge <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 11:19:55
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...


Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield").



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davrecon <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

 

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups.. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in along time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

And who can forget the all important thing that happened in Plato's Stepchildren :)

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Serridge
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:19 AM
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...


   
Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield").

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davrecon <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

   

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode ina long time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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you mean the opening credit montage?? :)

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Serridge
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:24 AM
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...


   
I think there's probably more sexism than racism in "UFO", but I reckon some people would disagree with me. I expect that this subject has been covered previously, but I haven't been on the forum very long.

BRIAN

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Brian Serridge <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 11:19:55
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield").

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davrecon <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

   

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups.. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode ina long time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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Well, the term he used wasn't EXACTLY the "N" word. It was "negress", not the "N" word.
When I was a kid, we used the term "negroes", and it wasn't meant by us in a derogatory fashion at all, although at times by others I suppose it was.  Perhaps it WAS taken as derogatory by African Americans/Blacks here in the States.  I honestly don't know.  But I have NEVER heard the "N" word used here without being meant derogatorily.
 
Was the use of the term "negro" originally meant to be used in a derogatoryfashion?  Just curious.
 
Jeff

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:15 PM


 



they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

And who can forget the all important thing that happened in Plato's Stepchildren :)

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Serridge
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:19 AM
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" ).

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davrecon <davrecon@rochester. rr.com>
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in along time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:19:55 -0800 (PST)
Brian Serridge <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also
> implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!

Well, Star Trek is set a long way in the future. I'm sure that racism
is in decline in the big picture, if you compare society in the present
day with 100 years ago. So given the timescale involved, it's not
an unreasonable view.

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:15:33 -0500
"Bruce Sherman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used
> the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

I think the 'n' word was 'negress', wasn't it? Not the 'n' word
that's usually implied by the term, just to be clear.

I haven't seen that episode for years, but I think he called her
an "enchanting negress". Which by the mores of that time, was
not a denigrating remark.

James

Yes, everyone was right, but with the way they wrote the episode, with the apology, and not wishing to offend anyone, I just used the phrase 'n word' then saying it.

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: James Gibbon
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:46 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...



On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:15:33 -0500
"Bruce Sherman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used
> the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

I think the 'n' word was 'negress', wasn't it? Not the 'n' word
that's usually implied by the term, just to be clear.

I haven't seen that episode for years, but I think he called her
an "enchanting negress". Which by the mores of that time, was
not a denigrating remark.

James




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Of course, we are also as a society way, way more 'touchy' than we ever have been.

I remember several years ago when someone in Washington DC government use the term 'niggardly' (which is COMPLETELY unrelated to the racial slur used against folks with dark skin) and was forced to resign his position - because of the touchiness of the public about a word that was TOTALLY UNRELATED TO A RACIAL SLUR. 

I found it incredible, actually, because it illustrated the decline in literacy in the United States of America. 

We have become a nation of people who love to be offended, when it is appropriate or when it is not.

Hunter
--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:34 PM

Yes, everyone was right, but with the way they wrote the episode, with the apology, and not wishing to offend anyone, I just used the phrase 'n word' then saying it.

Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gibbon
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:46 PM
  Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...


   
  On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:15:33 -0500
  "Bruce Sherman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

  > they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used
  > the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

  I think the 'n' word was 'negress', wasn't it? Not the 'n' word
  that's usually implied by the term, just to be clear.

  I haven't seen that episode for years, but I think he called her
  an "enchanting negress". Which by the mores of that time, was
  not a denigrating remark.

  James


 

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Jeffrey,
I don't think the term "negro" was originally mean to be derogatory. It isactually the Spanish word for "black". There is a river in South America called the Rio Negros which means Black River which was so named because itwas so dark in color. There is also a Rio Blanco which means White River.
I don't know about the sexism angle but there did seem to be a prejudice against the military rank of Major. Not how many people you see in SHADOor other services with the rank of Major.
James K.





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From: Jeffrey Nelson <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:32:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

   
Well, the term he used wasn't EXACTLY the "N" word. It was "negress" , not the "N" word.
When I was a kid, we used the term "negroes", and it wasn't meant by us in a derogatory fashion at all, although at times by others I suppose it was. Perhaps it WAS taken as derogatory by African Americans/Blacks here in theStates. I honestly don't know. But I have NEVER heard the "N" word used here without being meant derogatorily.
 
Was the use of the term "negro" originally meant to be used in a derogatoryfashion? Just curious.
 
Jeff

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Bruce Sherman <brucesherman@ sprintmail. com> wrote:

From: Bruce Sherman <brucesherman@ sprintmail. com>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:15 PM

 

they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

And who can forget the all important thing that happened in Plato's Stepchildren :)

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Serridge
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:19 AM
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" ).

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davrecon <davrecon@rochester . rr.com>
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in along time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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On 10-02-13 6:35 PM, wmc wrote:
> Of course, we are also as a society way, way more 'touchy' than we ever have been.
>
> I remember several years ago when someone in Washington DC government use the term 'niggardly' (which is COMPLETELY unrelated to the racial slur used against folks with dark skin) and was forced to resign his position - because of the touchiness of the public about a word that was TOTALLY UNRELATED TO A RACIAL SLUR.
>
> I found it incredible, actually, because it illustrated the decline in literacy in the United States of America.
>
> We have become a nation of people who love to be offended, when it is appropriate or when it is not.



Right you are.

Steve Martin once wrote: "Let's go mambo dogface to the banana patch",
which I thought was extremely insightful - uh-oh, I'm getting happy feet!

Wait - would Steve be a good Straker. Sure, we'd have to suspend
disbelief and willingly ignore the arrow-through-the-head, bunny ears
and gag glasses, but overall I think he's the guy.

Decision, decisions...

Paul

The Steve Martin joke was talking wrong in front of your child so they don't learn how to speak, if I remember the joke right ;)

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bowers
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...



On 10-02-13 6:35 PM, wmc wrote:
> Of course, we are also as a society way, way more 'touchy' than we ever have been.
>
> I remember several years ago when someone in Washington DC government use the term 'niggardly' (which is COMPLETELY unrelated to the racial slur used against folks with dark skin) and was forced to resign his position - because of the touchiness of the public about a word that was TOTALLY UNRELATED TO A RACIAL SLUR.
>
> I found it incredible, actually, because it illustrated the decline in literacy in the United States of America.
>
> We have become a nation of people who love to be offended, when it is appropriate or when it is not.

Right you are.

Steve Martin once wrote: "Let's go mambo dogface to the banana patch",
which I thought was extremely insightful - uh-oh, I'm getting happy feet!

Wait - would Steve be a good Straker. Sure, we'd have to suspend
disbelief and willingly ignore the arrow-through-the-head, bunny ears
and gag glasses, but overall I think he's the guy.

Decision, decisions...

Paul




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On 10-02-13 10:21 PM, Bruce Sherman wrote:
> The Steve Martin joke was talking wrong in front of your child so they don't learn how to speak, if I remember the joke right ;)

Yes, that is correct. BUT, I would like everyone to aware of cat juggling.

What does this have to to with UFO? It's uncertain at this point.


Paul

UFO-> Racial remarks
a poster used this remark made by Steve Martin which was wrongly said to have a racial slant to it, just wanted to make a correction. Myself, should also have said, what does this have to do with the current racial thread??

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bowers
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...



On 10-02-13 10:21 PM, Bruce Sherman wrote:
> The Steve Martin joke was talking wrong in front of your child so they don't learn how to speak, if I remember the joke right ;)

Yes, that is correct. BUT, I would like everyone to aware of cat juggling.

What does this have to to with UFO? It's uncertain at this point.

Paul





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Here in new York, high school kids use it all the time amongst themselves.

----- Reply message -----
From: "Jeffrey Nelson" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sun, Feb 14, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: <[hidden email]>

Thanks for the interesting info, Billy!  I was starting to feel guiltyfor having used the word as a child, when I certainly meant no offense.  Used in the same way caucasian is used to denote persons of light skin color.
 
Jeff

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Billy Killian <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Billy Killian <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 7:45 PM


 



Jeffrey,
I don't think the term "negro" was originally mean to be derogatory. It is actually the Spanish word for "black". There is a river in South America called the Rio Negros which means Black River which was so named because it was so dark in color. There is also a Rio Blanco which means White River.
I don't know about the sexism angle but there did seem to be a prejudice against the military rank of Major. Not how many people you see in SHADO or other services with the rank of Major.
James K.

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From: Jeffrey Nelson <1shado1@sbcglobal. net>
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:32:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Well, the term he used wasn't EXACTLY the "N" word. It was "negress" , not the "N" word.
When I was a kid, we used the term "negroes", and it wasn't meant by us in a derogatory fashion at all, although at times by others I suppose it was. Perhaps it WAS taken as derogatory by African Americans/Blacks here in the States. I honestly don't know. But I have NEVER heard the "N" word used here without being meant derogatorily.

Was the use of the term "negro" originally meant to be used in a derogatoryfashion? Just curious.

Jeff

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Bruce Sherman <brucesherman@ sprintmail. com> wrote:

From: Bruce Sherman <brucesherman@ sprintmail. com>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:15 PM

they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

And who can forget the all important thing that happened in Plato's Stepchildren :)

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Serridge
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:19 AM
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" ).

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davrecon <davrecon@rochester . rr.com>
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in along time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
>
> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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Fair enough, Bruce.  : )

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 6:34 PM


 



Yes, everyone was right, but with the way they wrote the episode, with the apology, and not wishing to offend anyone, I just used the phrase 'n word' then saying it.

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: James Gibbon
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:46 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:15:33 -0500
"Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ sprintmail. com> wrote:

> they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used
> the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

I think the 'n' word was 'negress', wasn't it? Not the 'n' word
that's usually implied by the term, just to be clear.

I haven't seen that episode for years, but I think he called her
an "enchanting negress". Which by the mores of that time, was
not a denigrating remark.

James

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Thanks for the interesting info, Billy!  I was starting to feel guiltyfor having used the word as a child, when I certainly meant no offense.  Used in the same way caucasian is used to denote persons of light skin color.
 
Jeff

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Billy Killian <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Billy Killian <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 7:45 PM


 



Jeffrey,
I don't think the term "negro" was originally mean to be derogatory. It is actually the Spanish word for "black". There is a river in South America called the Rio Negros which means Black River which was so named because it was so dark in color. There is also a Rio Blanco which means White River.
I don't know about the sexism angle but there did seem to be a prejudice against the military rank of Major. Not how many people you see in SHADO or other services with the rank of Major.
James K.

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From: Jeffrey Nelson <1shado1@sbcglobal. net>
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 12:32:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Well, the term he used wasn't EXACTLY the "N" word. It was "negress" , not the "N" word.
When I was a kid, we used the term "negroes", and it wasn't meant by us in a derogatory fashion at all, although at times by others I suppose it was. Perhaps it WAS taken as derogatory by African Americans/Blacks here in the States. I honestly don't know. But I have NEVER heard the "N" word used here without being meant derogatorily.

Was the use of the term "negro" originally meant to be used in a derogatoryfashion? Just curious.

Jeff

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Bruce Sherman <brucesherman@ sprintmail. com> wrote:

From: Bruce Sherman <brucesherman@ sprintmail. com>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 12:15 PM

they also did it when the crew met Abraham Lincoln and used the N word on Uhura, then apologized, she said she was fine.

And who can forget the all important thing that happened in Plato's Stepchildren :)

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Serridge
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:19 AM
Subject: Fw: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Sadly, I think racism will be with us for eternity. "STAR TREK" also implied that racism was a thing of the past. How naive!
However, they DID cover racism in a few episodes (notably "Balance Of Terror" and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" ).

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From: davrecon <davrecon@rochester . rr.com>
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, 12 February, 2010 18:47:12
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Yes, it was a rather naive quote, where he says - ".....Racism burned
itself out.... five years ago....."

Just like that, it suddenly fizzled out.

That's as good as his other quote (in 1980 remember) -

What's a civilian mining company doing on the Moon anyway? Everything
useful was taken out of there years ago.....

Dave H.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: SHADO@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: my thoughts about the UFO movie...

Bruce,
I think that one may have been in Survival, when Bradley is promoted after Foster is believed dead. Am I right, guys? I haven't seen that episode in along time. I loved it when Straker told him that! Be sure it will be included in the Quotes page. Thanks!
Yours,
Denise

--- In SHADO@yahoogroups. com, "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@ ...> wrote:
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> There was a scene where one of the interceptor pilots is talking to Straker, and points out the color of his skin, but in such a way, I never got it, till Straker tells him that stuff ended decades ago.
>
> Bruce

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