sorry ladies, UFO was more than Ed...

Hi,

Paramount only took the financial risk of Star Trek I after the
success of Star Wars. I doubt any mega-budjet Star Trek movies would
have ever been made without the preceeding success of Star Wars. It
wasn't fandom alone that brought Star Trek back. In the early
planning stages, Star Trek I was supposed to be a tv movie.

More power to you in your worship of Ed as a sex symbol. Perhaps he's
tired of that role, as is the actress who played Emma Peel. She
refuses to sign photos of herself as that character.

I see Straker as a hero, and Ed Bishop as the fine actor who fit in
to that role. But UFO was much more than Ed, and you know it.

Corporations like to make money. Since sci-fi is big on television
now, the corporation that owns UFO might indeed see it as a potential
profit center if it were re-launched.

Maybe you see Ed aging gracefully, but an older Straker would be too
much for swooning ladies to handle.

Stephen

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Amelia wrote:


>scripts, right down to Barry Gray's music. They can make all the so-called
>UFO movies they want. Without Ed Bishop, it just ain't gonna have the
>original flavor. If someone was actually going to make another UFO, and
>didn't use Ed, then it would just be another alien threat drama.

All the Star Trek spin-offs seem to be doing nicely, without Spock and Kirk
I like the old series best, personally, but then I never bothered to watch
any of the others. I doubt I ever watched an entire episode of Voyager or
Next Generation or whatever they are called (seeing an abundance of
weird-looking aliens with bumps all over the place tends to put me off :-)
My favourites are still the ones where aliens come to earth - UFO, V, Invaders.

CU

Lieve


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Lieve wrote:
<<All the Star Trek spin-offs seem to be doing nicely, without Spock
and Kirk I like the old series best, personally, but then I never
bothered to watch any of the others. I doubt I ever watched an entire
episode of Voyager or Next Generation or whatever they are called >>

but isn't that the problem, Lieve? You have to build a relationship
with the characters so that you start liking/hating/loving them.
Caring about what happens to them. That doesn't necessarily happen
during one episode. In fact, I suspect doesn't *normally* happen in
one episode. It's built up gradually. You might find you like the new
series... but it takes time.

I started watching Farscape at the beginning of the series. I wasn't
particularly impressed but tried a couple more episodes and got
slightly hooked because I got to know, and am entertained by, the
characters.

Lieve:
<< My favourites are still the ones where aliens come to earth - UFO,
V, Invaders.>>

But yeah, I can understand that. It's the juxtaposition of series I
like with the earth I know. I suppose the threat is more personal to
me when it features earth... whereas in the vastness of space...!!

And briefly OT:
BTW Lieve, thanks for the info on the extra 8 eps of Nikita. Another
series I watch. Or video since it's broadcast in the UK somewhere
around midnight and I am so not a night person!

Carly
:-D

Carly wrote:
>Lieve wrote:
><<All the Star Trek spin-offs seem to be doing nicely, without Spock
>and Kirk I like the old series best, personally, but then I never
>bothered to watch any of the others. I doubt I ever watched an entire
>episode of Voyager or Next Generation or whatever they are called >>
>
>but isn't that the problem, Lieve? You have to build a relationship
>with the characters so that you start liking/hating/loving them.

True, but then how does one start loving any series at all? Does one sit
through several episodes bored to death, hoping for this relationship to
spring up? :-)
I guess my main problem with the Star Trek spin offs was that they were
Star Trek, yet not Star Trek. Prejudiced? Probably. Secondly, my getting
older. I first saw Star Trek when I was young (13 or 14?), maybe if I had
been older it wouldn't have appealed any more? Back then, Star Trek was
about the only sci-fi series on, after the Invader series had ended, so if
one wanted to watch sci-fi one didn't have much choice of programmes...

I like realism to a certain degree. Flying about in space, fine, why not.
They meet plenty of weird situations, OK, why not. But something needs to
look familiar. When travelling in space, the surroundings are all
unfamiliar, so if they make the characters weird-looking as well, there is
no sense of reality at all any more.

If a series is set on Earth, me thinks it's more of a challenge - if one
wants to keep a series believable - especially if a series is set today or
in the near future. The makers have to stick to what is happening here and
now, then they can add some advanced stuff - weapons, planes, etc. And a
MoonBase, why not, plenty of covert organisations, no reason why there
couldn't be a real MoonBase out there without us knowing about it.
What attracted me to UFO all those years ago was NOT Commander Straker or
any of the characters, but the fact that an organisation like SHADO could
very well exist without Earth knowing about it. It was the possible realism
of the situation that attracted me. Then after a while I started to admire
Straker, as I had admired Spock (and still do), and before him (my first
hero!) Winnetou (character created by the German author Karl May), and
since then Michael of La Femme Nikita. All the same type of man in a way.

I always find seeing one's heroes appear as other characters in movies or
series is disappointing. Ed B was a major disappointment because he wasn't
blond, Nimoy in the series Mission Impossible was because he smiled, etc. I
end up watching movies for the sake of seeing an actor who portrayed one of
my favourite characters, then being angry because the guy is NOT that
character :-) :-)
Spock would say it was entirely illogical.

End of ramblings.... CU

Lieve


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>Marc, while I'm here, how have you been feeling at the workplace, has the
>ionizer worked out for you?

Unfortunately, I've been too ill to go back to work... :-(

I did go to a naturopath this week though, and it looks like my
Candida has come back full-force... so it's back to fighting that
again...

<sigh> Someday I'll be healthy again...

--
Marc Martin, [hidden email]

Trying not to date anyone (well, actually I am, but that's another
story...), I've omitted the original source:

> I first saw Star Trek when I was young (13 or 14?), maybe if I had
> been older it wouldn't have appealed any more?

I'll bet that about, oh, let's say, 85% of the listees here are 35 or
older.

How about a poll? I like poleing people, especially women

.......anyway, on with the email.

Since the bucks tend to roll in when the younger crowd adheres to an
idea like poop to a diaper (remember when YOU were passionate about
stuff?) UFO *has* to be updated, if only to grab the attention of the
12-24 year-olds.

I think somebody mentioned that Straker's son could be in command of
SHADO in the new series. Well, I'm about the right age [38] and I figure
I could do it. After all, I *was* an extra in that Nuremberg movie from
this year. So, accordingly, I commissioned a professional artist to do a
promo shot of myself in the intended role.

You can see it at http://www.pipingdesign.com/stuff/wannabe.jpg

Please let me know what you think!

Paul

PS Inside information: The image has been photo-retouched subliminally.
You may not notice, but Straker's face has been discreetly imposed over
my own in order to subconsciously register with viewers. It's an old
promotional gimmick. Be warned!

Paul Bowers wrote:

> I think somebody mentioned that Straker's son could be in command of
> SHADO in the new series. Well, I'm about the right age [38] and I figure
> I could do it. After all, I *was* an extra in that Nuremberg movie from
> this year. So, accordingly, I commissioned a professional artist to do a
> promo shot of myself in the intended role.
>
> You can see it at http://www.pipingdesign.com/stuff/wannabe.jpg
>
> Please let me know what you think!

<looking>

Uh-huh, well ...... your hair is definitely blond <nod nod - hiding
smirk> and the T-Shirt is a nice touch <sputter> Why don't you leave us
a resume and we'll get back to you? <snicker>

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks for the chuckle - I mean the BELLY BUSTER!

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De : "Paul Bowers" <[hidden email]>

> I think somebody mentioned that Straker's son could be in command of
> SHADO in the new series. Well, I'm about the right age [38] and I figure
> I could do it. After all, I *was* an extra in that Nuremberg movie from
> this year. So, accordingly, I commissioned a professional artist to do a
> promo shot of myself in the intended role.
>
> You can see it at http://www.pipingdesign.com/stuff/wannabe.jpg
>
> Please let me know what you think!

ROFL!
I'm sure you'll get it, Paul!

--Anny <giggling>

> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : "Paul Bowers" <[hidden email]>
>
> > I think somebody mentioned that Straker's son could be in command of
> > SHADO in the new series. Well, I'm about the right age [38] and I
figure
> > I could do it. After all, I *was* an extra in that Nuremberg movie
from
> > this year. So, accordingly, I commissioned a professional artist to
do a
Thanks Anny,

I hope you all enjoyed my humour injection.

I had a few gigglefits while composing it, but it could have been
better.

The T-shirt I crossed-out is for snopes.com, see
http://www.pipingdesign.com/ulshirt (if you have the time) for the story
so far.

Humour is universal, and any resurrection of UFO will have to use it.
Since I just rejoined this list after about two years absense, I don't
know if this has been discussed before.

Paul

Amelia wrote:
But who has the time to sit through various episodes of series, hoping one
starts to like them? When one is at school still, presumably one has the
time, but when one is working? I don't even have the time to watch what I
would like to watch! (It must be over a year since I watched UFO last, or
longer, whenever it was I did the Aspects site)

>It's ironic you put so much work into UFO cast before and after which
>features some of Ed's other roles, a site I love for obvious reasons.

That was partly because I love to do things with my computer and partly
because I've stopped blaming Ed B for not being blond. Hardly his fault,
really :-)
But I still think that if he had died his hair blond he would have been a
lot more in demand.
The thing is that I will always watch a movie with an actor in it that I
like from another series/movie, maybe because I'll hope to find the same
qualities of that character there? Very illogical, obviously, but then a
woman is not supposed to be logical, right? At least I liked Ed B in "The
Mad Death" - I have still to find even 1 movie (or series) where I like Roy
Dupuis, apart from La Femme Nikita. And I've seen most of his stuff, as
I've seen most stuff with Ed B in it.
If an actor does a good job in one series (or one movie), one can expect
him to do one in another movie as well. Of course, if the genre of that
movie doesn't appeal, one won't like it.

As to James Bond, to me Roger Moore was it - when the first Bonds came out,
I was not yet 18 and not allowed into the cinema, these movies were judged
not suitable for under-18s. One wonders why.... So the first Bond films I
saw were with Roger Moore. After seeing a few Bonds with Sean Connery and
not liking them at first, I did go on to like Connery in that role as well.
Besides, Sean Connery is special, not only as an actor but a human being as
well. I also think Pierce Brosnan is an excellent Bond (didn't like Timothy
Dalton in that role)
Since the various actors portraying Bond were obviously accepted by the
public, I see no reason why a different actor for Straker wouldn't be
accepted. Still, the best way to go around that would be to have another
Commander at the helm....

CU

Lieve


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Hi All,

>(I wrote)
> > I first saw Star Trek when I was young (13 or 14?), maybe if I had
> > been older it wouldn't have appealed any more?

(Paul replied)
>I'll bet that about, oh, let's say, 85% of the listees here are 35 or
>older.

Including me, I'm 46.
But when did the said listees watch UFO for the first time? I was 20.

CU

Lieve



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"That's what life is all about, I guess - The things we never say."
Cmdr. Ed Straker, UFO Series, Subsmash episode.

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Lieve wrote:
<< ...but then how does one start loving any series at all? Does one
sit through several episodes bored to death, hoping for this
relationship to spring up? :-) >>

No, you're right, there has to be a spark between program and viewer
which pulls them back for a second episode. Farscape was a bad
example in this context. Babylon5 and Crusade is maybe better. I was
neutral about Crusade initially but warmed to it after a couple of
eps. Love it now. Now that it's no more! or so I believe.

Lieve:
<< That was partly because I love to do things with my computer and
partly because I've stopped blaming Ed B for not being blond. Hardly
his fault, really :-) >>

Actually, I am with you on this. During UFOs original transmission, I
think I remember, in a newspaper, seeing a photo of EB - with brown
hair - and I thought the equivalent of "ewwwwwwwwwwwww, no!!" It was
definitely the Straker character that appealed to me, not so much the
actor. And yes, I know they're allegedly indivisible but...

<< The thing is that I will always watch a movie with an actor in it
that I like from another series/movie, maybe because I'll hope to
find the same qualities of that character there? Very illogical,
obviously, but then a woman is not supposed to be logical, right? >>

Wrong! I am very logical.
But perhaps the rest of the above is why I don't tend to follow
actors in other parts. Unless they play similar roles. And EB didn't,
did he? Did he ever repeat the style of the Straker role?

<<I also think Pierce Brosnan is an excellent Bond (didn't like
Timothy Dalton in that role)>>

I must be the only individual in existence who thought Dalton was a
perfectly adequate Bond. Connery was too old when he made
his 'comeback'. Roger Moore looked daft. Lazenby... irrelevant.
Dalton - fine. Brosnan excellent. Did I miss anyone?

<<Still, the best way to go around that would be to have another
Commander at the helm....>>

Should UFO2 ever hit the screens (and I'd bet a million to one
against despite the innovative ideas that have come up on this list
recently) it would have to be a new Commander. A whole new team.
Sadly, but realistically, UFO1 wasn't a big enough hit to need the
old... er... original actors to reprise their parts. Enchanting
though their parts may be. <Just can't resist the smut, can you Carly?

:-D

[hidden email] wrote:

> I must be the only individual in existence who thought Dalton was a
> perfectly adequate Bond. Connery was too old when he made
> his 'comeback'. Roger Moore looked daft. Lazenby... irrelevant.
> Dalton - fine. Brosnan excellent. Did I miss anyone?

Not at all Carly - Dalton was easily the best 007 of the lot.
Connery was excellent, Brosnan adequate, Lazenby a bit iffy,
Moore downright dreadful.

James

Lieve wrote:

I was about 30 when I first saw UFO ...

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[hidden email] wrote:

> <<I also think Pierce Brosnan is an excellent Bond (didn't like
> Timothy Dalton in that role)>>
>
> I must be the only individual in existence who thought Dalton was a
> perfectly adequate Bond. Connery was too old when he made
> his 'comeback'. Roger Moore looked daft. Lazenby... irrelevant.
> Dalton - fine. Brosnan excellent. Did I miss anyone?

I liked Dalton. Connery is just too sexy, regardless of age, Roger Moore
was fine - he was the first Bond I saw, Lazenby was okay too, if it
weren't for the awful dialog he had been given. Brosnan looks more the
part as written than all the others. And you missed David Niven, who
was good and Barry Nelson, who I never saw ...

> <<Still, the best way to go around that would be to have another
> Commander at the helm....>>
>
> Should UFO2 ever hit the screens (and I'd bet a million to one
> against despite the innovative ideas that have come up on this list
> recently) it would have to be a new Commander. A whole new team.

I agree.

> Sadly, but realistically, UFO1 wasn't a big enough hit to need the
> old... er... original actors to reprise their parts. Enchanting
> though their parts may be. <Just can't resist the smut, can you Carly?

Well, movie remakes (and new series remakes) usually have a cameo
appearance by an original actor or two ....

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RAT OWN, Amelia! I definitely DIG an older Straker!! (But, then, I loooove
older men anyhoo....) I think the writers could give an older Straker a ton
more angst and whatever that made his character appealing to both men and
women in the first series. Personally, I loved seeing Shatner portray Kirk
as older, a bit wiser, universe-weary, et al - Kirk in the movies is a much
more attractive Kirk than in TOS for all those reasons. It was the aging
process, the realization that he'd given all he had to give to "save
civilization as we know it" - and what did he have to show for it
personally? Kirk was covered in glory, but he'd lost his only son (that he
knew about, ha ha!), he was losing his commission, being eventually put out
to pasture, etc.....Straker could identify with Kirk big time on alot of
these issues, I'm sure.

Pam