EXPOSED a little late :-(

Sorry Marc,

that I am a LITTLE bit too late for the EXPOSED discussion! I hope
you don't mind that I lag behind. (After all I don't want to get in
CONFLICT with you :-)

EXPOSED is an episode which became better in my opinion over the
years. It's another introduction ep with great confrontations
between Foster and Jackson and Straker respectively (I remember that
this was my first Super-8 movie and I have watched the first real -
about 15 minutes - over and over again :-). My notices (OK, call it
nit-picking, if you like :-):

* SID announces that he's got a "positive track 428 146 Green",
but Harrington instructs the Interceptor pilots that the UFOs are on
"Green 140 273". Hm. Isn't that slightly different? :-) (Maybe
SID was wrong this time because in SHADO HQ an operator stated 140
273 also.)

* The information about the speed is a little bit strange. SID says
"Speed: Zero Sol Eight"; the screen shows Sol 8 and you can hear
Harrington who says "Speed: Sol Zero Decimale [Cut]. 0 Sol 8? Sol 8?
Sol 0.8? <ponder ponder>

* SID first dedected the UFOs at 32 million miles. Can anyone tell me
how far away from Earth (or from SID?) this is? I have always
problems converting miles into meters. There seems to be different
sort of miles too :-/

* This is the first episode with 3 UFOs on the attack and have a
look: when the UFOs passing by from the right to the left, after the
second UFO has passed the center of the screen a lightspot suddenly
appears. One can watch it every time this shot is used - which is BTW
very often in this episode!

* When the first UFO explodes you can see the UFO flying THROUGH the
explosion. Obviously two shots were copied together (a passing UFO
and an explosion).

* "Grid reference G 6"? That reminds me of THE RESPONSIBILITY SEAT
where they use a "G 6" for the voice identification of a certain Miss
Frazer :-)

* Someone stated that the test aircraft flies very high above the
clouds (seems to be in space) and Sky 1 must be a very special
aircraft for it can fly in this height. That are my thoughts too.

* Okay, I know I am nit-picking :-) but when Dr. Fraser leaves Foster
in the hospital he pulls down the door-handle on one side but the
counterpart on the other side remains in the same position instead of
going down too. Perhaps in the "future" it'll works another way?
(Well, at least in Kofax` office it works the old way round :-)

* Straker wears this new suit, which isn't my taste BTW (but
that's a matter of taste ;-) but I remember that Mark Bradley was
wearing this suit in COMPUTER AFFAIR too. Same tailor? ;-)

* Aaaah.... Vladek Sheybal as Dr. Jackson (he IS a great actor!). You
know I like this confrontation of Jackson and Foster very much. I
think it's one of the best parts in this ep. Billington and
Sheybal give their best performance! And watch out for this evil look
of Jackson/Sheybal. Superb! >8-)

* Why does Foster ram his own door? For what purpose? Any guesses?
(And why is he holding his left shoulder although he has rammed the
door with his right one? :-)

* Obviously Straker wants to recruit Foster for SHADO very early on,
because he forces this by sending Jenna to make Foster suspicious and
then the two toughs to corroborate his opinion. BTW Jean Marsh is
better known for her role as Rose in UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS (in German:
DAS HAUS AM EATON PLACE).

* It's very bright in Kofax' office, so you don't need a
pocket lamp, Paul ;-) (Full moon, perhaps.)

* When Foster founds the envelop in Kofax` safe, it reads
ED STRAKER,
HARLINGTON-STRAKER STUDIOS,
CV-105
I wonder: why should Kofax stay in contact with a film studio? Does
he know of the existance of SHADO? (No. Later on Straker explains to
Foster that "Kofax knows nothing of all this. But he played along."
Nevertheless, hasn't Kofax wondered about the film studio?)

* I like the confrontation of Foster and Straker! I like it! {{8-))

* At last the headlines of the DAILY EXPRESS:
CABINET MINISTER KILLED
Miracle escape for U.S. colonel
Ministers urge strong action to counter subversion
(and a picture of Straker when he get out of the airplane as seen in
IDENTIFIED).
Other lines state:
Gold Robbery: man held at airport
Resorts face new oil stick crises
OUR COLONEL'S A SUPER GIRL SAYS THE SERGEANT
(what that means? :-)

So that's all. I hope I haven't bothered some listers with my late-
coming... {:-I

CU Christian
(who is trying to get not in CONFLICT with the time schedule)

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--- Amelia wrote:

> I think somewhere in England there was a men's shop with a sign
> in the window 50% OFF SUITS FOR SHADO OPERATIVES.

ROTFLOL!!
Thanks, Amelia!

Christian <wiping the tears of laughter from his eyes> 8'-))

[hidden email] wrote:

> * Okay, I know I am nit-picking :-) but when Dr. Fraser leaves Foster
> in the hospital he pulls down the door-handle on one side but the
> counterpart on the other side remains in the same position instead of
> going down too. Perhaps in the "future" it'll works another way?
> (Well, at least in Kofax` office it works the old way round :-)

LOL! Yeah, that's nit-picking - and paying CLOSE attention .....

> * Why does Foster ram his own door? For what purpose? Any guesses?
> (And why is he holding his left shoulder although he has rammed the
> door with his right one? :-)

LOL!

> * It's very bright in Kofax' office, so you don't need a
> pocket lamp, Paul ;-) (Full moon, perhaps.)

Oooh, could be .... ;-)

ROFL! Jeesh, but you DID pay close attention!

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Thanks Christian! Better late than never! :-)

>This is the first episode with 3 UFOs on the attack and have a
>look: when the UFOs passing by from the right to the left, after the
>second UFO has passed the center of the screen a lightspot suddenly
>appears. One can watch it every time this shot is used - which is BTW
>very often in this episode!

I believe this footage was originally intended to be used for THE
DALOTEK AFFAIR. That lightspot becomes a meteorite, which impacts
the lunar surface.

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* "Grid reference G 6"? That reminds me of THE RESPONSIBILITY SEAT

where they use a "G 6" for the voice identification of a certain Miss


Frazer :-)







Say, isn't the actor who plays one of the
thugs who rousts

Fosters's apartment, the same guy who hands Straker a drink

in the bar in "The Responsibility Seat?"



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[hidden email] wrote:

> * SID first dedected the UFOs at 32 million miles. Can anyone tell me
> how far away from Earth (or from SID?) this is? I have always
> problems converting miles into meters. There seems to be different
> sort of miles too :-/
>

Not very far (comparitively speaking) - from the stock footage
we always see of it, it's clearly in Earth orbit, a few thousand
miles at very most.
>
> * Someone stated that the test aircraft flies very high above the
> clouds (seems to be in space) and Sky 1 must be a very special
> aircraft for it can fly in this height. That are my thoughts too.
>

I think that's fair enough, there were already aircraft
capable of flight at the edge of space in the seventies, and
this is the super-futuristic UFO universe after all.

James

[hidden email] wrote:

> Other lines state:
> Gold Robbery: man held at airport
> Resorts face new oil stick crises
>

I suspect that's 'oil slick'.

Couldn't resist the opportunity to nit-pick a nit-picker ;)


James

Hello All,
Is this series out on DVD yet? I can't find it online anyhere.
Barry

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>Hello All,
>Is this series out on DVD yet? I can't find it online anyhere.

UFO is not out on DVD... maybe next year... :-)

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> In a message dated 3/5/01 4:30:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [hidden email] writes:
>
> << * Straker wears this new suit, which isn't my taste BTW (but
> that's a matter of taste ;-) but I remember that Mark Bradley was
> wearing this suit in COMPUTER AFFAIR too. Same tailor? ;-) >>
> General Henderson even wears that style suit in different colors. I
think
> somewhere in England there was a men's shop with a sign in the window 50%
OFF
> SUITS FOR SHADO OPERATIVES.

Yeah in a sort of "Dunn & Co" for SHADO operatives. (Dunn's was a very
English gents outfitters for the older gent.) I always felt that suit did
not look right on Straker. That style of suit looked a lot better on "he of
the eyebrows". Being a bit like a cardigan in the jacket part I feel IMHO
that it more suited the mature man,with a fuller figure. It did absolutely
nothing for the svelte lines of our beloved Commander. For his Strakerness
he looked better in the jump-suits and neatly tailored dark blue, or off
white or brown with green turtle neck or.....nuff said:-)

Sheila

"A dEdicatEd Ed Strakerite"

> [hidden email] wrote:
>
> > * Okay, I know I am nit-picking :-) but when Dr. Fraser leaves Foster
> > in the hospital he pulls down the door-handle on one side but the
> > counterpart on the other side remains in the same position instead of
> > going down too. Perhaps in the "future" it'll works another way?
> > (Well, at least in Kofax` office it works the old way round :-)
>
> LOL! Yeah, that's nit-picking - and paying CLOSE attention .....

Must look for that one!
>
> > * Why does Foster ram his own door? For what purpose? Any guesses?
> > (And why is he holding his left shoulder although he has rammed the
> > door with his right one? :-)
>
> LOL!
Tsk! well he is a bit of a meatball head. I think was still not right in the
head after the crash<g> Never was really the full shilling was he?
>
> > * It's very bright in Kofax' office, so you don't need a
> > pocket lamp, Paul ;-) (Full moon, perhaps.)
>
> Oooh, could be .... ;-)
I could never understand why he needed a torch in there either....hmmm.
Perhaps his eyes were still playing him up? Of course if the room was lit by
only the outside lights and his torch the cameras would not have picked up
much of Mike would they? Hmmm?
Nah Christian has been reading the paper from Lisa's frame capture!
Isn't it great to be able to read that fornt page's head lines?

( You know the Daily Express isn't the august organ of the press it
was...ever since it became a tabloid it has gone down the slippery slope of
lowest common denominator journalism...but I digress, sorry Marc.)

Now but maybe someone can explain this thing about the newspaper that has
been puzzling me for ages.

We know that Janna is a SHADO operative right (although you would not know
that on first time viewing.) So therefore Straker/SHADO want Foster to see
that newspaper to see if he takes the bait and tries to find out about
Straker and put together the connection with UFOs. However why was that
paper reporting a ten year old news item as headline news?

Any one gonna help me here? Is it me? Am I being really dense here?

Sheila

Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!

Oh really that is interesting! So sorry for being late on chipping in with
Exposed comments.

Sheila

Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!

Sheila Holton-Brown wrote:

I always assumed it was a back issue.

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Hi All!

Thanks to all the reactions to my late-coming statements! :-D
And thanks for your informations Marc, Dave and...
Oh! James: I have no problem if somebody is nit-picking a
nit-picker ;-) I am not perfect (and no Master ;-) especially not in
english, as you all know :-I After all I like the mixture of fun and
information on this list 8-)

--- Sheila wrote:
>
> Nah Christian has been reading the paper from Lisa's frame capture!

Hi Sheila!

Nah Christian has pushed the Pause button on his VCR and carefully
copied the headlines from the screen. To copy it from another source
is not so much fun :-)

> However why was that
> paper reporting a ten year old news item as headline news?

Like Yuchtar I thought that it was a back issue (10+ years old :-)

>
> Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!

Hm... I must be crazy too! 8-))

CU Chrisu... er.. I mean: Christian

--- In SHADO@y..., Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
They use it twice in the Dalotek Affair too. First from right to left
leaving the lightspot in the center. And then again from left to right
leaving a lightspot again. Obviously the same footage with the film
flip flopped (like they did for the "mirror" earth in Doppelganger)

ttfn
Teresa

* The information about the speed
is a
little bit strange. SID says "Speed: Zero Sol
Eight"; the
screen shows Sol 8 and you can hear
Harrington who says "Speed: Sol Zero
Decimale
[Cut]. 0 Sol 8? Sol 8? Sol 0.8?" ponder

ponder

* SID first dedected the UFOs at 32
million
miles. Can anyone tell me how far away from
Earth (or
from SID?) this is? I have always
problems converting miles into meters.
There
seems to be different sort of miles too: -/




True, there are many different types of
miles,
which is why this system is so confusing.
They are probably talking about
"Statute Miles"
here, which is about 1.6 kilometers, so 32
million miles
is about 51 million kilometers.
To give you an idea
of the scale of these
things, the moon is about 240 thousand miles
away
from the earth, so that UFO is about 133 times
farther away than the
moon is, or about halfway
the distance to Mars at it's closest
approach.
The Earth is about 7927 miles across.

The sun is 93 million miles from the Earth,
so the UFO is about 1/3 of the
distance from us
as the sun is.
At SOL 8, which I
assume is 8 X the speed of
light, a UFO would cover a million miles in
about
2/3rd's of a second, so it is less than half a
minute away.



There are other types of miles: there is
the
"Statute Mile", which is used primarily in land
navigation, and there
is the "Nautical Mile ",
which is used in sea and air navigation.
The
Nautical mile as about 1.852 kilometers, or
6076
feet.
The reason nautical miles are so cool,
is
because they are derived directly from earth
geometry and make global
navigation easier. A
nautical mile corresponds to the distance one
travels
over the surface of the earth when
traversing one angular minute of arc from
the
earth's center, thus by definition, each minute
of longitude (N-S) on
a chart is 1 nautical mile.
The same is true for latitude (E-W), but only
at
the equator, since latitude circles shrink as one
progresses towards
the poles. In early days, when
mariners navigated by the stars, this made
for
very simplified navigation.
There is also
such a thing as a "British
Nautical Mile" which is about 4 feet longer
than
a regular nautical mile. The reason why they have
these.... I have no
idea.



Watch ahead in the episode "Close Up",
and
you'll really get misled about distances and
appearence. Sometimes you
really have to suspend
disbelief on this show.





* Someone stated that the test
aircraft
flies very high above the clouds (seems to be
in space)
and Sky 1 must be a very special
aircraft for it can fly in this height.
That
are my thoughts too.




Back in the early sixties, NASA and the
Air
Force ran the X-15 program, the highest flying
aircraft we'll publicly
admit to. That flew at
about the same height, about 50 miles. It is a
real
stretch to believe that a submersible
airplane can fly up that high.

Note the flight gear that Paul and his
co-pilot

have on, which is standard flight gear with enriched

oxygen supply masks. This is inapropriate at this

altitude. Full pressure suits would be needed if they

lost their cabin air.



Hope this helps.



One question, slightly off topic, I have
for
any computer savvy's out there: when you download
over the net, how
much of the incoming data
stream is the actual file? Is there a lot
of
quality control info shipped along with the file?
When I try to
download stuff from this site, I
find I get 1/10th to 1/20th of my rated
modem
speed at best. Could it be transmitting full
speed, but only a small
fraction of the incoming
stream is actual file?

If you've got an answer for me, please e-
mail me separately at;



[hidden email]



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"davrecon" wrote:

> To give you an idea of the scale of these things, the moon is
> about 240 thousand miles away from the earth, so that UFO is
> about 133 times farther away than the moon is, or about halfway
> the distance to Mars at it's closest approach. The Earth is
> about 7927 miles across.

There's an episode where a UFO's estimated destination is
calculated to be 'Southern England' while it's still seven
million miles away - so given that the Earth is less than
8000 miles in diameter, it would only have to deviate course
by a tiny fraction of a degree to land in a different continent
altogether - but somehow they never do. In fact they seem
to like it here in England, don't know why, if it was me I'd
go for somewhere a bit more warm and sunny.

> There is also such a thing as a "British Nautical Mile" which
> is about 4 feet longer
> than a regular nautical mile. The reason why they have
> these.... I have no idea.
>

No offence, but the British *invented* the nautical mile,
originally known as the Admiralty mile. There have actually
been several definitions - originally it was considered to
be 6080 feet by the Admiralty, but the US decided to deviate
from this - so in fact there's a regular nautical mile, and
a US nautical mile.

Cheers
James

> Sheila Holton-Brown wrote:
>
> > Now but maybe someone can explain this thing about the newspaper that
has
> > been puzzling me for ages.
> >
> > We know that Janna is a SHADO operative right (although you would not
know
> > that on first time viewing.) So therefore Straker/SHADO want Foster to
see
> > that newspaper to see if he takes the bait and tries to find out about
> > Straker and put together the connection with UFOs. However why was that
> > paper reporting a ten year old news item as headline news?
> >
> > Any one gonna help me here? Is it me? Am I being really dense here?
>
> I always assumed it was a back issue.

hmmm correct me if i am wrong but doesn't janna just pop out for a paper. 10
year old newspapers are not available at ones local newsagents. I think I
will have to rewatch this episode tomorrow. However i suppose no one will
reply to my query since it will now be considered OT. <sigh>

Perhaps some kind soul could post me off list?
To discuss this point.

Cheers

Sheila

Still UFO Crazy crazy crazy crrraaazzzzy!

Sheila Holton-Brown wrote:

>hmmm correct me if i am wrong but doesn't janna just pop out for a paper.

She makes some mention that she's going to the library to get the papers
and articles Foster was asking for -- I don't recall the exact wording, but
it indicates she's going to go do some research digging, not just pick up a
current paper.

- Lisa

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