New Member, Editor of TV Tome UFO Guide, Saying Hi

I just became the Editor of tvtome's UFO guide a few weeks ago, and I
just now found this site (through UFOSeries.com). I really enjoyed
the series back when it came out (yeah, I'm that old), and again
through the years of reruns.

I look forward to hearing what ya'll have to say here, as I am still
trying to refresh my memories of each episode.

I'll post a link to the tvt UFO guide page once I figure out how.
Also, if it's wanted, I can post a link to this group at my guide.

And don't worry; I am a very easy going poster.

Thanks,
Steve
(Fu)

Steve,
Welcome to our message board. I love TV tome. I am 43 and very nostalgic. Here at SHADO we have tech, plot , costume, and just plain old trivia experts who love UFO. SHADO may have been a super secret organisation but we love talking about it.

fumanchu1982 <[hidden email]> wrote:



I just became the Editor of tvtome's UFO guide a few weeks ago, and I
just now found this site (through UFOSeries.com). I really enjoyed
the series back when it came out (yeah, I'm that old), and again
through the years of reruns.

I look forward to hearing what ya'll have to say here, as I am still
trying to refresh my memories of each episode.

I'll post a link to the tvt UFO guide page once I figure out how.
Also, if it's wanted, I can post a link to this group at my guide.

And don't worry; I am a very easy going poster.

Thanks,
Steve
(Fu)









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Not really cool to lift graphics directly from Marc's site unless you
got his permission...

fumanchu1982 wrote:

Actually, the graphic was not lifted from ufoseries'
site.

Not a friendly greeting for a new member.

Fu

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> Actually, the graphic was not lifted from ufoseries' site.

The graphic on this page is clearly taken from the UFO Series
Home Page:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-3048/

Is this the graphic you are referring to?

Marc

Thats the one I'm referring to.
AT

Marc Martin wrote:

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:37:44 -0400
Anthony Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Thats the one I'm referring to.

Well, you know - although it was clearly lifted from Marc's site, I think
we should bear in mind that it's merely an arrangement of frames grabbed
from the DVDs, not original artwork.

In fact strictly speaking I suspect that the copyright owner (Carlton?) would
have been the appropriate place to seek permission to reproduce those
images.

> Well, you know - although it was clearly lifted from Marc's site, I think
> we should bear in mind that it's merely an arrangement of frames grabbed
> from the DVDs, not original artwork.
>
> In fact strictly speaking I suspect that the copyright owner (Carlton?)
> would have been the appropriate place to seek permission to reproduce those
> images.

Yes, in terms of getting permission from the rightful owners, you are
correct (except that these days it is Granada, not Carlton), but I would
still think that someone should create their own collection of new frame
grabs instead of just taking something created for another site.

Marc

It seemes I have raised a firestorm here. This pic
was put in place years before I got to TV Tome.
Please give me a little time to check on this
internally. I will let you know what I find out.

I can say that in checking early on, when I took over
the guide, this pic was on more sites than just Marc’s
and TV Tome’s.

Sorry for the mess.
Fu

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> I can say that in checking early on, when I took over
> the guide, this pic was on more sites than just Marc's
> and TV Tome's.

Yes, that picture is used on many sites, but I was the
one who spent the time to create it in the first place.
Everyone else has merely copied it.

There is a site that archives old versions of web pages:

web.archive.org

You can trace the evolution of that graphic by looking
at old versions of the UFO Series Home Page.

Back in 1997, the graphic was vertical, and had slightly
different pictures:

http://web.archive.org/web/19970529175630/http://ufo.simplenet.com/

Then in 1998, I redid it to something that's more
familiar to current readers:

http://web.archive.org/web/19981201235709/http://www.ufo.simplenet.com/

Then in 2002, Christian Jenisch went through the DVDs
and supplied me with higher quality versions of my
original captures (from the Japanese laserdiscs), and
I also add the Alien picture at the end:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020718184427/http://ufoseries.com/

But I can't do much to stop people from copying my stuff.
It's even more annoying when they duplicate my episode guide
and then take my name off it as the author. Or when they
printout the script transcriptions and then sell them
on eBay. But that's life on the web, I guess... :-)

Marc

> Back in 1997, the graphic was vertical, and had slightly
> different pictures:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/19970529175630/http://ufo.simplenet.com/

Oops, I meant "horizontal", not "vertical".

It's not good when a rocket scientist can't tell the difference
between horizontal and vertical... :-)

Marc

I will remove it pending a response from TV Tome.

Thanks
Fu

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Marc,

We will remove it permanently if you wish. However,
if it’s ok with you, I hope we can leave it in the
guide intro. I will leave it out, till I hear.

Thanks,
Fu

--- Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> > Back in 1997, the graphic was vertical, and had
> slightly
> > different pictures:
> >
> >
>
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Marc Martin wrote:
> Yes, in terms of getting permission from the rightful owners, you are
> correct (except that these days it is Granada, not Carlton), but I would
> still think that someone should create their own collection of new frame
> grabs instead of just taking something created for another site.

I would think that as well.
I'm not talking about using photos from the show - all UFO websites do
that, I'm talking about lifting a graphic that Marc spent his freetime
putting together for his own site.
As for it not being a friendly greeting to a new member, it might not
have been - but at least it wasn't unfriendly. I did offer that it was
only not cool if done without permission.
I wasn't accusing, just positing my opinion.
AT

FuManchu wrote:
>
> It seemes I have raised a firestorm here. This pic
> was put in place years before I got to TV Tome.
> Please give me a little time to check on this
> internally. I will let you know what I find out.

Understood Fu.
That's why I didn't accuse you personally - I know TV Tome's been around
for a while and you are new there.
Sorry if it put you on the defensive.
AT

> We will remove it permanently if you wish. However,
> if it’s ok with you, I hope we can leave it in the
> guide intro. I will leave it out, till I hear.

It's my *preference* that you use a different graphic
than the one that's on my main page, but I'm not
going to force the issue. Because, like you say,
that graphic has been copied by many websites.  

In fact, in the interest of being unique, we should
*all* (including me) change our graphics... :-)

Marc

No problem. I'll find another graph to replace it.

Thanks,
Fu

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> Oops, I meant "horizontal", not "vertical".
>
> It's not good when a rocket scientist can't
> tell the difference between horizontal and
> vertical... :-)

You're getting old, Marc ;-)

Yes, it's always annoying when you put time and effort into something
and others simply copy it to their website without asking the creator
instead of having own ideas. But maybe that's the way of life today
:-/

Christian

Anthony, any update on the Skydiver bases?


--- In [hidden email], Anthony Taylor <highcotton51@m...> wrote: around
> for a while and you are new there.
> Sorry if it put you on the defensive.
> AT

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>
> Steve,
> Welcome to our message board. I love TV tome. I am 43 and very
nostalgic. Here at SHADO we have tech, plot , costume, and just plain old
trivia experts who love UFO. SHADO may have been a super secret
organisation but we love talking about it.
>
>


....Now if you'll excuse us....we'll have to kill you....

Dave H.